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Re: Is Homosexuality viewed as a crime in Islam if someone has not reached the age of

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):




Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 773:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

Allah's Apostle cursed those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners) of women and those women who are in the similitude (assume the manners) of men.




Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 774:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.
 
Re: Is Homosexuality viewed as a crime in Islam if someone has not reached the age of

Something seems strange about this. I've always hated double standards for age, it's called AGEISM. It just doesn't seem fair that a 6 year old can go out and commit all kinds of crimes and get off without punishment, yet someone who has reached puberty gets dealt with with the full force of the law.


it is disturbing to see a grown man like yourself call the different treatments between SIX years and adult as ageism.
 
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Re: Is Homosexuality viewed as a crime in Islam if someone has not reached the age of

Something seems strange about this. I've always hated double standards for age, it's called AGEISM. It just doesn't seem fair that a 6 year old can go out and commit all kinds of crimes and get off without punishment, yet someone who has reached puberty gets dealt with with the full force of the law.

"...after someone has reached 'balig' (puberty), and sane, and conscious."

What then if someone is sane and conscious before puberty? I know I was sane and conscious WAY before puberty, so I'm just interested how this situation would proceed legally.

The idea is that kids aren't as smart as adults. Unfortunately this is a fact and it's not 'ageism' because these special considerations aren't given *just because* of a person's age but has more to do the implications of one's age. Ageism would imply that these considerations are given simply on the basis of age.
 
Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

I don't believe Jesus was created. I believe he manifested in the flesh (incarnated.) ;)

Don't you Christians (mainstream Christians) believe in the hypostatic union of Jesus? Hypostatic union means:

"The concept of the substantial union of the divine and human natures in the one person (hypostasis) of Christian - taken up in the formulas of the Council of Chalcedon." (J. Pelikan - The Christian Tradition I, 1971 - cited in: The Westminster Dictionary of Christian Theology - Westminster John Knox Press, 1983 - Page 274).


If he had a human nature, that human nature (and his flesh) must've been created, so he couldn't have been uncreated simultaneously. But, this won't matter to you, if you deny the law of non-contradiction. In fact, you will different problems if you deny the law of non-contradiction (which are given here: islam-sikhism.info/rebut/non_con/non_con02.htm).
 
Re: Where in the Quran and or the Hadith does it say that the Prophets were Muslims a

I don't believe Jesus was created. I believe he manifested in the flesh (incarnated.) ;)

You are no different from the pagans . They believe in millions of incarnation , whereas you believe in one.

The Muslims believes in none
 
Is there any evidence and or proof that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the

Is there any evidence and or proof that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West including the United States of America do the Christians and the Jews admit this thank you ?
 
Re: Is Homosexuality viewed as a crime in Islam if someone has not reached the age of

The idea is that kids aren't as smart as adults. Unfortunately this is a fact and it's not 'ageism'
There are many kids that far exceed adults in intelligence, IQ, wit etc. let's hope that the 'idea' isn't the only thing you're basing your statements on!

best,
 
Hello I have a question since Islam and Muslims believe Jesus was and is a Prophet an

Hello I have a question since Islam and Muslims believe Jesus was and is a Prophet and the Messiah how do Muslims feel about the verses from the Bible what Christians call the Old Testament to prove Jesus was not the Messiah and the Messiah has not come and that Jesus Christ did not fulfill the Messianic Prophecies since the Bible has been corrupted did the Jews corrupt the Torah and write the Bible to make Jesus look like a False Prophet and look like a False Messiah ?

[h=2]1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES[/h]
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in theSecond Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
 
Re: Hello I have a question since Islam and Muslims believe Jesus was and is a Prophe

i'll try to prove that it does - the old and new testaments, along with the Quran:
1And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.2Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.....
.....8. Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
9Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
11Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
12His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
Genesis 49

1Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.2Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
7I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
8For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
Isaiah 63

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:

and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God
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Revelation 19

1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (Jesse is the father of David (pbuh)2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:

and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.


5And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isaiah 11

The Dajjal having failed to enter the holy city of Madinah will proceed to Syria gathering his forces on the way.
Imaam Mahdi will have arranged the Muslim army and will be on the verge of leading the Muslims in the morning prayer (Abu Umamah / Ibne-Majah) when Prophet Jesus
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will descend to the white Minaret (Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim) in the east of Damascus, wearing two garments died with saffron, placing his hands on the wings of two angels.

All those that are present will recognise him, as he will look exactly like the description of the Prophet
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. Resembling the Sahabi Urwa bin Masood (Abu- Huraira/ Muslim) the colour of his skin will be reddish white (Ibne Abbas/ Bukhari), he will be well built and his hair will be soft and reach his ears. When he lowers his head, beads of perspiration will fall from it and when he raises his head, beads like pearls will scatter from it. (Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim
).


Every Kaafir who smells his sweet breath will die and his breath will reach as far as he can see.

On seeing prophet Jesus
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. Imaam Mahdi will take a couple of steps backwards so Prophet Jesus
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can lead the prayer however Prophet Jesus
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will place his hands on the Imaam's shoulder and will say, ''Go forward and lead the prayer as the Iqamah was made for you'' thus Imaam Mahdi will lead the prayer. (Abu Umamah/ Ibne-Ma
jah).

Many Ahadith specify that after his descension he will get married and have children and remain on the earth for a period of 19 years after his marriage. (Al-Fitan Nuaim bin Hammad).
And that he will live 40 years
which gives you 23 years as the age of marriage (this is speculation based on various ahadit
h).

“Jesus son of Mary will be among my community; he will be a just ruler and leader. He will break and crush the cross and will kill the swine. He will abolish jizya-the tax taken from non-Muslims under Islamic rule-, and will not touch zakat- distribution of one fortieth of one's income as alms performed by Muslims (one of the five pillars of the Islamic faith). No official of zakat will be recruited over herds of sheep, goat and ox or that of camel, any longer.
Enmity and hatred will be removed. Poison of every poisonous animal will be removed.
Moreover, a small male child will put his hand into snake’s mouth, but it will not hurt him.
The wolf will be like the sheep dog in the herd of sheep and goat.
Just as a bowl is filled with water, so will the earth be full of peace.

There will also be a unity of religion and no one except God will be worshipped any more. And the equipments of war (weapons and the like) will be cast away.”

Now refer again to Isaiah 11 above.

And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off;
and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:
nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Micah 4:3

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YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-


Regarding the time in which this all may happen:

(Mahdi means: The One Who Is Rightly Guided)

Certain it is that IN THE TIME OF HAZRAT MAHDI (AS)IF A BELIEVER IS IN THE EAST HE WILL SEE HIS BROTHER IN THE WEST.AND IF HE IS IN THE WEST, HE WILL SEE HIS BROTHER IN THE EAST. (Bihar al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 391)


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[SUP]Hazrat Mahdi (as) will (spiritually) conquer both east and west[/SUP][SUP]and cause Islam (the moral values of Islam) to rule the world
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[SUP]ALLAH WILL BESTOW SUCH POWERS ON PEOPLE [/SUP][SUP]THAT [/SUP][SUP]EVERYONE WILL HEAR HIS (THE MAHDI’S (AS)) WORDS,[/SUP][SUP]WHEREVER THEY MAY BE
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[SUP]and Imam (as) will give life to Islam...
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(Bihar al-Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 27 and Vol. 53, p.12 Ikmal'ud- Din, Vol. 2, p. 367)


Sadir al-Sayrafi says: I heard from Imam Abu Abdullah Jafar al-Sadiq that:
...He whose rights have been taken away and who is denied(HAZRAT MAHDI (AS))
WILL WALK AMONG THEM,MOVE THROUGH THEIR MARKETS AND WALK WHERE THEY WALK.
BUT THEY WILL NOT RECOGNIZE HAZRAZ MAHDI (AS)until Allah gives them leave to recognize him,just as He did with the Prophet Yusuf (as).
(Sheikh Muhammad bin Ibrahim Nomani, al-Ghaybah al-Nomani, p.189)








Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. So be it! Amen.
Revelation 1:7

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west,so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 24:7

now the issue here is that some say that he is the rightly guided leader, others say - yes, but they are two distinct personalities.

It is narrated on the authority of Ubadah b. Samit that the messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed:

HE WHO SAID: "There is no god but Allah, He is One and there is no associate with Him,
that Muhammad is his servant and His messenger,
that Christ is servant and the son of His servant and he (Christ) His word which He communicated to Mary and is His Spirit,

that Paradise is a fact and Hell is a fact,"
Allah would make him enter Paradise through any one of its eight doors which he would like.
(Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 0043





1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53

57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
59. He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel.
60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth.
61. And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
62. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
Quran 43
94. what kept men back from belief when the guidanceame to them, was nothing but this:
they said, "Has Allah sent a man (like us) to be (His) Messenger."

95. Say, "If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet,
We should certainly h
ave sent them down from the heavens an angel for a messenger".

96. Say: "Enough is Allah for a witness between me and you: for He is well acquainted with His servants, and He sees (all things).
Quran 17:94-96


12: 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain,
lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me,



2 corinthians 12:6

For I fear, lest, when I come,
I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not:
lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

2
1
And lest, when I come again,

my God will humble me among you,

and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already,

and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

1This is the third time I am coming to you.
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
2I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time;
and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare:
3Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me.......




38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39But he answered and said unto them,

An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;

and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:38-40

now research "the sign of jonah ahmed deedat" on youtube or google - and you will find that
a crucifiction on Friday (good friday),
burial on Friday evening before the sabbath,
and ressurection before sunday morning
- IS NOT THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS - neither was it an adulterous generation......

what does all that leave you - and which generation do you live in???

peacei also checked out that site: regarding the third temple:
1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple:
and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things?
verily I say unto you,
There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,
Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24

scroll to the end of this one if time is short
Prophet Solomon (pbuh) was the son of David - Solomon is recorded to have buried that stuff under his throne
might that be in the vicinity of the city of David???

David Rockefeller donated a museum for displaying artefacts excavated from the vicinity - it is called the rockefeller museum - that's displaying the things that don't "disappear"
jayz who pulls the left eye in the pyramid is the co-founder of Rocafella records - a label named after David Rockefeller.

scroll to sign number 24 at 22min 41 seconds - or press three (it scrolls to a little before though)

peace
 
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Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

If a Non Muslim commits a major sin such as Adultery/Homosexuality/Drinking would they never be allowed to convert to Islam or revert if they did accept Islam and say Shahada would they still be punished or would they be allowed to live ? The reason I ask is because I read a website where someone asked if they could become a Muslim if they once lived a sinful lifestyle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

Islam erases everything that came before it and proclaiming the shahadah is entering the realm of Islam. A person who proclaims the shahadah instantly becomes a Muslim and hence all his previous sins are forgiven. They won't be punished. :)
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

I agree with Ali_008. Once the person says the shahadah, they instantly become a Muslim, but remember they have to do it with sincerity otherwise it doesn't count. Once they have said shahadah, all of their past sins are wiped clean and they become like a newborn. That is the mercy of Allah!

Be careful with what you read on the internet, especially from wikipedia, since anyone can write anything on there.
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

:sl:

Before I took shahada, I was living a life of debauchery. I drank heavily every weekend, I smoked, I chased women (and sometimes I even caught them ;D). I even cursed Islam and cursed Muslims and denounced the Prophet (saws) as a false messenger and Allah (swt) as a false God. Ironically, it was this hatred of Islam that led me to study Islam and read the Qur'an.

These last two things bother me more than the rest. I think that I have been forgiven, but sometimes I still wonder if I really have been. Sometimes it really bothers me to think about the things I used to say about Islam and about the Prophet and about Allah.

I have wept at times during prayer whenever I think about that.
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

Yes, absolutely. Anyone can revert regardless of what they have done. The slate is wiped clean when you revert, and you start afresh.

See this beautiful hadeeth:

Amr Ibn Al-Aas narrates, “When Islam entered my heart, I went to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and said: ‘Give me your hand so that I may pledge allegiance to you.’ The Prophet (peace be upon him) spread his hand, but I withdrew mine. He said, ‘What is wrong Amr?’ I said, ‘I want to make a condition.’ ‘And what is that?’ he said. I said, ‘That Allah will forgive me.’ Then the Messenger of Allah said, ‘Did you not know that Islam wipes out what came before it, and that Hijrah wipes out what came before it, and that Hajj wipes out what came before it?’” (Sahih Muslim: 121)
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

My question was if the Non Muslim says Shahada and they did these major sins and then their nation becames an Islamic state under Sharia would this person still be put to death stoned or killed or punished by the Sharia Courts or would they be allowed to live ?
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

My question was if the Non Muslim says Shahada and they did these major sins and then their nation becames an Islamic state under Sharia would this person still be put to death stoned or killed or punished by the Sharia Courts or would they be allowed to live ?

If the non-Muslim says shahada, his/her slate is wiped clean. If their nation then becomes an Islamic state, that makes no difference at all. Once you're a Muslim, your slate is wiped clean completely. You cannot be Islamically punished for what you did before becoming a Muslim.
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

:sl:

Before I took shahada, I was living a life of debauchery.
I, too have many things that I regret and have asked for forgiveness. The Quran tells us to never despair of the mercy of Allah. 39:53 Say: O My slaves who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, Who forgives all sins. Lo! He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

These last two things bother me more than the rest. I think that I have been forgiven, but sometimes I still wonder if I really have been. Sometimes it really bothers me to think about the things I used to say about Islam and about the Prophet and about Allah.

I have wept at times during prayer whenever I think about that.
Only Allah (swt) knows our hearts, but we can still stand on His promises of forgiveness made over and over again in the Quran.
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

saying the shahada means that you are starting a new life with a clean slate, all you past sins are forgiven by Allah swt therefore no you will not be punished for the acts you did before you were muslim
Allah swt says in the Quran : Say to the unbelievers, if [now] they desist [from unbelief], their past [actions] will be
forgiven. .. (8:38)


Prophet saw said : If a person embraces Islam sincerely, then Allah will forgive all his past sins, and after that the
reward of his good deeds will be ten times to seven hundred times, and an evil deed will be
recorded as it is - unless Allah forgives it. (Reported by Bukhari)
 
Re: Can a Non Muslim say Shahada if they commited a major sin is the past ?

umar (ra) was a heavy drinker who used to torture Muslims and even went to behead the Prophet (pbuh) - he was sincere in whatever he did.
when he became a Muslim he was one of the Prophet (pbuh)'s favourite companions, and later went on to become leader of the believers,
and one of the four to hold the title "rightly guided Caliph".

Khalid ibn waleed (ra) also routed the believers at Uhud and was the leader in the biggest slaughter of believers to that date,
he later became the sword of Islam.

i'm sure you couldn't beat any of those guys in their misguidance before Islam.


A man called Amr came to the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, and said,
“Give me your right hand so that I may give you my pledge of loyalty.”
The Prophet stretched out his right hand. Amr withdrew his hand. The Prophet said: “What has happened to you, O Amr?” He replied, “I intend to lay down a condition.”
The Prophet asked: “What condition do you intend to put forward?” Amr said, “That God forgive my sins.”
The Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, said: “Didn’t you know that converting to Islam erases all previous sins?”
Saheeh Muslim, #121, and Mosnad Ahmad, #17357.

not only that - his sins may even be turned into good deeds if he uses them as something he learned from in order to stay on the right path.

"The best of you in Ignorance will be the best of you in Islam as if you deeply understand." [Bukhâri]
 
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