I agree that the Islamic view is much more receptive to scientific discussions as opposed to the Christian one, the traditional view anyway.
That was a nice quote and I see the relevance of Allah (swt) teaching Adam (as) the 'names' of creatures as regarding their nature that carries up to the present as man learns more about the universe through legitimate science.
Thank you for pointing out my error. I have removed that sentence from my post that you quoted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFW3ZNC8sjw&feature=related
Well put. Muslims see Christians as commiting shirk, but I look in the Bible and see stories when people tried to worship the apostles, and they were reproved for it. Even in the OT when men of God wanted to worship and angel because they were awe struck; the angle reproved them saying I am a fellow servant like you do not such a thing.
We are not judge and jury, but we have the Quran which we believe is the Word of Allah. The Quran says that ascribing partners with Allah (swt) in worship is the most serious sin of all and we believe that Christians worship the human, Jesus, as only Allah (swt) should be worshipped. Quran 19:88-93 And they say: 'The Beneficent has taken unto Himself a son.' Assuredly you utter a disastrous (or most monstrous) thing whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins, that you ascribe unto the Beneficent a son, when it is not meet (doesn't behoove) for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Beneficent as a slave.
You captured pretty well what we believe about Jesus except that his likeness is that of Adam and that he will return as the Messiah which means “anointed” or a leader anointed by God.
We will each stand before our Creator and we will be judged according to our faith and our deeds. You tenaciously hold to your Christian faith as I do to mine. I have appreciated the opportunity to discuss our respective faiths in an open and frank manner. Our responsibility is not to guide one another as guidance comes only from Allah (swt), but we have the responsibility to share what we hold as the Truth in as kind and considerate manner as possible without holding back on what may be feared as being offensive to the other if we consider it to be the Truth.
Okay, I will have to trust that Allah will let me slide, because I am having trouble seeing Muhammad as my prophet just as you do with Paul the apostle. There seems to be a possible allowance to were it can go either way for the Christian like myself - either punishment or forgiveness. On that day, when Jesus tells me face to face, I was wrong, I will repent. At least I have never denied God's existence like the atheistic beliefs. There is that slight chance Allah may choose to let me slide from hell (Get out hell free), but I wish I could say the same for the Muslim being wrong. There is no such allowances I can find in the Bible. I wish there were and that I was wrong about that.
If you could read the book 'The Sealed Nectar' biography of Muhammad, perhaps you would see him in a different light. This book does a good job of showing why Muslims love him.
Well I am a Christians muslim then because I believe in total surrender to God.
What did you read that made you so sure; what verses where they? The more I look into Islam, the more convinced I am that Jesus is the way; It is strengthen my faith. Muslims believe that the lastest prophet supercedes all others. Am I right? Well, since Jesus is coming back, He will supercede what all have said for He will truly be the last prophet
I have come to believe that you are sincere in your faith and I don't presume to be able to judge your heart as I am incapable of judging even my own. I have lived on both sides of the Islamic-Christian divide and I have come to believe that Islam is the way of life prescibed by Allah (swt) and that Christianity is a belief system that was not sanctioned by Allah (swt) even though He has allowed it to become the preeminent religion on earth. I don't understand why the Muslims were defeated at the Battle of Tours in 732, but it is as Allah (swt) has willed it to be.
It was no particular verse, but I remember looking in the index and reading every reference to Jesus in the Quran. As I have said, these verses touched me when others have read the same thing and came away untouched. I was either led astray by reading the Quran, or the scales were lifted from my eyes such that I was able to see and the plugs were removed from my ears such as that I was able to hear with the end result that my heart became enlightened albeit not from my own desire or will for it to have happened. I read the Quran merely to see firsthand what my college room mate from Iran beleived. I do not believe that I was any more sincere than what you seem to be and I don't understand why I was chosen to see what I now believe is the Truth while you yet remain astray (in my opinion). I can only say alhamdulillah (praise and thanks be to Allah) that I was guided to Islam.
Well, it was Allah that made it look like Jesus died. Was it not? That deception has cause the birth of Christianity. In the Bible, the Isralites never lost a battle if they were in God's will.
I see, you are an oak. You see me as astray? Well, of course, so do all Muslims. Since it wasn't any particular verse, what kind of doubts did you struggle with before you decided Islam was it for you? If you don't mind
I don't know the details of how Jesus was saved from crucifixion or how it came to be that people believed he was actually crucified. The Battle of Tours was where the Franks defeated the Muslims. I don't know why Allah (swt) willed that to occur as only He knows.
Presently, that is true, but we don't know what tomorrow will bring or my state of faith at my death.
Unlike other converts to Islam, I did not have any doubts or struggles with Christianity before becoming a Muslim.
Then why did you become one?
Then how do you you know He was saved from it especially when history says He wasn't as does the Bible?
It was Horus birth date but I don't think they came up with that date because of Greek mythology. They counted nine months after Mary's salutation. It is just a conincident that it ended up being the 25 of Dec, but FYI, I agree that it wasn't His birth date either.
It is for Allah to decide not you. Ask your fellow brothers, and they will say the same. How dare you presume such a thing, and how dare you judge me? I can find you mulitudes of verse where Jesus and prophets allude to the deity of Christ and that God is one.
Where does it say that in the Bible? You need to back up your sources. Look, if a Christian talked like that about Islam or a Muslim brother, he would be banned from the forum. So are you using the fact that you are a Muslim to abuse you priviledges of posting?
"Let us make man in our image and likeness" Who was God talking to?
Jesus said"Go and baptize them in the name of the father, Son and Holy Spirit"
Christianity has nothing to do with Hinduism. Some scholars say that Islam has its roots in pre Islamic beliefs and that monothesim was around before Muhammad was born. Monotheism was practice by the Jews and Christians. Chrisitans don't accept a Muslim's description of what we believe. We believe God is one and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not partners.
I do as the "Son of God" I believe what I do to Jesus is what I do for the Father. I see Jesus as God's word whom God calls son. How God means Jesus to be His son is not clear to me, but I don't reject it because I don't understand. Do you ask this because I said Jesus has changed my life?