What was the nature of Jesus' (alayhi salam) birth?

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Ramadhan said:
Let us step back and think:

jesus fasted for a month, muslims fast for a month

jesus forbade depictions what is in heaven and earth, muslims also do

jesus prayed and prostrated on the ground, muslims do as well

jesus and his mother (pbut) wore modest clothings and hair cover, muslims do

jesus did not eat pork, and neither do muslims

jesus taught to seek forgiveness from God, and so do muslims

jesus did not teach god's blood atonement, and neither do muslims

etc etc.

So now take a guess, when Jesus (pbuh) comes back to earth, do you think he will go to churches where he will have to worship his own self/statues/crosses/etc, or do you think he will go to a mosque where his teachings are being applied and that there's none in mosques that associate God with anything, either in heaven or earth?
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Many of the self-righteous Jews did these things. Jesus and John called them a brood of vipers. Jesus said "how shall ye escape the ****ation of hell?"

I am really tired of hearing about statues. Biblical Christians DO NOT IDENTIFY WITH THAT!
 
Hamza Asadullah said:
Do angels have free will according to the teachings of God and Christ?

But how can a "man" be a son, lord, God, and last Adam? They all contradict each other as a son cannot be a God because that would mean his father is a higher God and so they are two seperate entities. How then can a God also be the last Adam?

You are not making any sense. You know deep inside that these are clear absurdities.
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Answer my questions and I'll answer yours. How can God have always existed not having a beginning and not having an end. How can God say "BE" and something is there that wasn't before? How can God be invisible and yet still be present? How can he see the past present and future at the same time? How can He breath life into matter?

I do not limit God. I do not say He cannot make His word a man or His Holiness a person that is actually Him in essence. Only Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses will put limits on God. Muslims are willing to say Jesus is not the son of God; JW's are willing to say He is not deity but he is the son of God. Biblical Christians believe God can make His word flesh to dwell amongst us. It may not be logical, but who said God has to be logical??????
 
MustafaMc said:
I see that you did not disagree with my statement. My next question, "Do you worship the Father as God?" A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice, but you can follow with an explanation if you like.
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Burninglight, I am still waiting, yes or no?
 
Burninglight said:
Answer my questions and I'll answer yours. How can God have always existed not having a beginning and not having an end. How can God say "BE" and something is there that wasn't before? How can God be invisible and yet still be present? How can he see the past present and future at the same time? How can He breath life into matter?

I do not limit God. I do not say He cannot make His word a man or His Holiness a person that is actually Him in essence. Only Muslims and Jehovah Witnesses will put limits on God. Muslims are willing to say Jesus is not the son of God; JW's are willing to say He is not deity but he is the son of God. Biblical Christians believe God can make His word flesh to dwell amongst us. It may not be logical, but who said God has to be logical??????
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All we need to know is that God is one and he is the first and last. He has no paryners or equals. He does not manifest himself into anyone or anything else. When he says be it is. How do we know all this? Because it was taught by VERY Prophet and messenger of God including Jesus and Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings extend to them all).

But the belief of him having other manifestations is NOT taught by ANY Prophet or messenger nor was it taught by Jesus or God in the Bible but it is a belief and teaching of random unknown men who wrote unknown accounts in the Gospels hundreds of years after Jesus clearly corrupting his true message. That is where you take your false beliefs of God and Jesus from and that is what you or anyone else CANNOT believe over the true message of God and Christ which were consitent with the beliefs of true monotheism taught by every Prophet.

Your heart will never be satisfied with such beliefs and nor will you ever be in peace until you accept the true message of God which EVERY Prophet propogated - That God is one WITHOUT manifesting himself in any other way, shape or form. He NEVER taught that his word was made flesh and this belief is not consistent with his teachings nor is it consistent with the teachings of Christ or any other Propbet.

It is unforgivable to see God in a way that he NEVER taught us to. There is NO sin in the eyes of God that deserves eternal ****ation than that of seeing God as having partners, equals and manifesting himself in other ways.

So reject such beliefs which are NOT supported by the words and teachings of God and Christ. Reje,t such beliefs which every Prophet and messenger including Christ fought SO hard all his life to eradicate. Accept the,truth of God which is that He does NOT manifest himself in any otherway, shape or form. Only he is the first and last and ONLY he is worthy of all worship NOT his creation.
 
I am only asking a question, but I can help you. Do you pray to the One who Jesus prayed to in the Garden of Gethsemane? Do you pray to the same Divine Being as Jesus instructed, "Our Father who art in Heaven..."? As for myself I can answer the questions affirmatively, can you?

Although the Lord's Prayer is somewhat different from Al-Fatihah, they are both worshipful to the Creator of both you and I.
 
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Hamza Asadullah said:
All we need to know is that God is one and he is the first and last.).
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We believe this as well about God. We don't see God's word as being His partner or His Spirit being His associate. You cannot accept this as a fact about us even if we tell you it is a fact, because your religion tells you what to believe about us; so you are a slave to that doctrine. I wonder if there is a correlation between Isaac being born of the free and Ishmael of the slave woman that plays into this equation?
 
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MustafaMc said:
I am only asking a question, but I can help you. Do you pray to the One who Jesus prayed to in the Garden of Gethsemane? Do you pray to the same Divine Being as Jesus instructed, "Our Father who art in Heaven..."? As for myself I can answer the questions affirmatively, can you?

Although the Lord's Prayer is somewhat different from Al-Fatihah, they are both worshipful to the Creator of both you and I.
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Does this help?
 
Burninglight said:
Where did you reply?
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Before you edited this post you stated that yes you do "worship the father as the father". So you worship the father as the father and you worship the son as the son? You also acknowledge the holy spirit.

So do you worship the father, the son and the holy spirit as individual entities? Yes or no.
 
Burninglight said:
I don't know
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So you dont know why you believe the gospels over the words and teachings of Christ and God even when Christian scholars have clearly stated that the gospels cannot be relied upon because they were written at an unknown time by unknown authors?

So basically you are admitting that you take your beliefs from unauthentic and unreliable sources which are riddled with inconsistencies, contradictions, additions and deletions?
 
Burninglight said:
I do pray the Lord's prayer to the Father. Are you trying to confuse me?
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No, I am trying to understand your concept of God because I am confused about that.

So you pray to the Father which by default means you worship Him. You also worship Jesus. In what manner do you worship him? Do you pray to him? In your prayers do you pray part to the Father and part to Jesus, or do you pray to the Father 'in the name of Jesus'? Do you ask the Father or Jesus to forgive you? Do you praise and glorify Jesus' name? Do you refer to the Father by any other name such as Jehovah or Yahweh? Who comes to your mind when you say 'Lord'?

Are you starting to see my confusion?
 
MustafaMc said:
No, I am trying to understand your concept of God because I am confused about that.

So you pray to the Father which by default means you worship Him. You also worship Jesus. In what manner do you worship him? Do you pray to him? In your prayers do you pray part to the Father and part to Jesus, or do you pray to the Father 'in the name of Jesus'? Do you ask the Father or Jesus to forgive you? Do you praise and glorify Jesus' name? Do you refer to the Father by any other name such as Jehovah or Yahweh? Who comes to your mind when you say 'Lord'?

Are you starting to see my confusion?
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Jesus comes to mind but when praying to the father I pray in Jesus' name. How did you do it when you were a Christian?
 
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Hamza Asadullah said:
So basically you are admitting that you take your beliefs from unauthentic and unreliable sources which are riddled with inconsistencies, contradictions, additions and deletions?
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I do not admit any such thing. What about the Quran do you have the original? We have copies just like you accept we didn't burn any of them. How many inconsistencies do you think you'd have had no copies been burned?
 
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