Thank you for your time :)

[MustafaMc]

Thank you for that. Some think that Islam is eating away at me and that I am not fully convinced of what I believe.

At one time I thought you were starting to see the light of Islam, but I now see that you are resolute on remaining a Christian. There is no compulsion in religion and you are free of course to believe as you wish, that is unless you are 'put to the question'.

If 'put to the question' like on the movie "Goya's Ghosts" I am sure you would confess to being a Muslim in secret like Ines did to being a secret Judaizer or like Lorenzo signed the so-called confession “I, Lorenzo Casamares, hereby confess that contrary to my human appearance, I’m in fact the illegitimate son of a chimpanzee and an orangutan, and I have schemed to join the Church in order to do harm to the Holy Office.” I don't think you are in danger of being 'put to the question' by Muslims though like the Church did to Jews in Spain.:nervous:

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Imagine having an account written about someones life and teachings etc and upon investigation it becomes clear that the author is completely unknown and so is the origin and date of when it was written. On top of that it has many contradictions, inconsistencies, additions and deletions all of which are confirmed by scholars themselves.

NO court would NEVER deem such an account as reliable evidence but it would be thrown out of a court as being extremely unreliable, weak and consisting of far too many inconsistencies, contradictions, adfitions and deletions to be seen as having any real credibility as evidence of someones life. Especially as it was written hundreds of years after the demise of that person mostly through what people may have heard about him etc.

So it may have some truths but many lies. Because it was so easily susceptible to bein changed, added to and taken away from that makes it even more unreliable to give any real stamp of authenticity. That is exactly how the gospels can be described.

At the time the Bible was compiled there were many disregarded. Not on religious grounds but according to the desire of those who compiled it.

 

[Burninglight]

At one time I thought you were starting to see the light of Islam, but I now see that you are resolute on remaining a Christian. There is no compulsion in religion and you are free of course to believe as you wish, that is unless you are 'put to the question'.

If 'put to the question' like on the movie "Goya's Ghosts" I am sure you would confess to being a Muslim in secret like Ines did to being a secret Judaizer or like Lorenzo signed the so-called confession “I, Lorenzo Casamares, hereby confess that contrary to my human appearance, I’m in fact the illegitimate son of a chimpanzee and an orangutan, and I have schemed to join the Church in order to do harm to the Holy Office.” I don't think you are in danger of being 'put to the question' by Muslims though like the Church did to Jews in Spain.:nervous:

If we can call God Allah; then, I can call myself a Christian muslim. That doesn't mean I was seeing any light in Islam for myself as a religion, but I have gained a greater appreciation for the great religion of Islam and the prophet Muhammad. Especially when I can see from the Bible God's blessings on his life. I don't think the world sees how great and powerful Islam is. I do!

I just see Biblical Christianity as the light for my life, because there is no other name given whereby we might be saved but Jesus Christ. I don't want to burn in hell. People look at my life and tell me I am such a good person, because of all my good deeds, and I have stayed married to the same wife and don't stumble people with my life style, but I can see myself the real sinner inside.

I know how miserable and short I fall of God's glory. I see myself as not even qualified to be a slave of God; however, it gives me an appreciation for the gospel (Means good news) that I can put on Christ as a garment like the Muslim women wear the burka and Hijiab. I am covered from head to toe in the righteousness of Christ and stand prefect and without fault before God and without sin, totally pleasing and acceptable not because of what I have done, it is because of what He has done for me. I accept His gift and now I am made right by God's grace through my faith in His work and he is transforming me on a daily basis to be more conformed to the image of His son. It is written: "The path of the just shines more and more until the prefect day (Noon)"

 

[MustafaMc]

If we can call God Allah; then, I can call myself a Christian muslim.

That is not what makes one a Muslim. A Muslim is one who believes in One God without father, mother, son or daughter and who submits to the will of Allah (swt) as revealed through Muhammad (saaws) by following his Sunnah. Christian muslim - jumbo shrimp - retarded genius - gigantic midget = oxymoron.

 

[Burninglight]

That is not what makes one a Muslim. A Muslim is one who believes in One God without father, mother, son or daughter and who submits to the will of Allah (swt) as revealed through Muhammad (saaws) by following his Sunnah. Christian muslim - jumbo shrimp - retarded genius - gigantic midget = oxymoron

Christians muslim is not an oxymoron. Plz note that it is not an upper case m! God does not have a father or mother. But the son of man has a father like all the prophets whose father is God including Adam. God has no mother. God is God and God alone; He has no partners! But my Creator created me with His word and that word is Jesus! The Bible says God is Spirit! The father of lights!~ He is Holy. He is the Holy Spirit. The Bible doesn't teach me about trinity, so I am not prepared to discuss something I don't understand, but I am not going to say something is not from God, because I cannot understand it or because the Quran says it is so or any other religions book. "Tawhid" is not written in the Quran does that mean God is not one?

 

[Burninglight]

Imagine having an account written about someones life and teachings etc and upon investigation it becomes clear that the author is completely unknown and so is the origin and date of when it was written. On top of that it has many contradictions, inconsistencies, additions and deletions all of which are confirmed by scholars themselves.

Just because the author is not known doesn't mean truth hasn't been spoken. The Bible isn't as bad a you make out. It is consistant in reference to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. None the Bible contradict Jesus' message: "I AM the Way, truth and Life... No comes to God except through me... I am the door... Before Abraham is I AM." Jesus does a very very good job in what He alludes to as far as I am concerned. This is all confirmed by the prophets. Immanuel (God with us) He will be called Mighty God and Prince of Peace! Get the picture? He is coming back and you will see for yourself what these words look like. I say glory to the all one true father God in heaven in Jesus' Name!

 

[Scimitar]

Christians muslim is not an oxymoron. Plz note that it is not an upper case m! God does not have a father or mother. But the son of man has a father like all the prophets whose father is God including Adam. God has no mother. God is God and God alone; He has no partners! But my Creator created me with His word and that word is Jesus! The Bible says God is Spirit! The father of lights!~ He is Holy. He is the Holy Spirit. The Bible doesn't teach me about trinity, so I am not prepared to discuss something I don't understand, but I am not going to say something is not from God, because I cannot understand it or because the Quran says it is so or any other religions book. "Tawhid" is not written in the Quran does that mean God is not one?

I highlighted the part I need clarification on. If I understand you correctly, you are born from Jesus? He didn't give birth though.. he was a man :S

If what you say is a metaphorical explanation, why not be clear about it?

Tawhid: "Say (O Muhammad): "He is God, (the) One, The Self-Sufficient Master, He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (Quran: 112 // 1-4)

I don't know what else to tell you except, The Islamic doctrine of Tawhid puts forth a God whose rule, will or law are comprehensive and extend to all creatures and to all aspects of the human life. Early Muslims understood religion to thus cover the domains of state, law and society. It is believed that the entirety of the Islamic teaching rests on the principle of Tawhid.

Scimi

 

[Burninglight]

I understand that the Bible carries an offensive message to most people, but the Quran doesn't!

 

[Scimitar]

No that's not what I meant bro BurningBright....

When I am explaining my beliefs to someone who is enquiring, I try not to use metaphors - so as to avoid confusion.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend, hope you can forgive.

Scimi

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Just because the author is not known doesn't mean truth hasn't been spoken. The Bible isn't as bad a you make out. It is consistant in reference to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. None the Bible contradict Jesus' message: "I AM the Way, truth and Life... No comes to God except through me... I am the door... Before Abraham is I AM." Jesus does a very very good job in what He alludes to as far as I am concerned. This is all confirmed by the prophets. Immanuel (God with us) He will be called Mighty God and Prince of Peace! Get the picture? He is coming back and you will see for yourself what these words look like. I say glory to the all one true father god in heaven in Jesus' Name!

You keep saying word made flesh. In other words you worship that "flesh". So you still worship other than God. You have also admitted that you worship the father as the father and the son as the son whom you also call word made flesh, the last Adam, the lamb of God and many other contradictions which are not supported by the words or teachings of God or Christ but are only supported by gospels which are written by unknown authors at an unknown time. So none of these false beliefs are actually supported by the word and teachings of God or Christ.

 

[Burninglight]

I highlighted the part I need clarification on. If I understand you correctly, you are born from Jesus? He didn't give birth though.. he was a man :S

If what you say is a metaphorical explanation, why not be clear about it?

Tawhid: "Say (O Muhammad): "He is God, (the) One, The Self-Sufficient Master, He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (Quran: 112 // 1-4)

I don't know what else to tell you except, The Islamic doctrine of Tawhid puts forth a God whose rule, will or law are comprehensive and extend to all creatures and to all aspects of the human life. Early Muslims understood religion to thus cover the domains of state, law and society. It is believed that the entirety of the Islamic teaching rests on the principle of Tawhid.

Scimi

Okay, Just like the word trinity doesn't appear in the Bible, the word Tawhid doesn't in the Quran, but the concept does. So it is the same way with the trinity concept. I mention that is for clarification purposes not that I want to discuss the trinity again. Jesus is the word of God. It is the word of God that was used to bring about all creation including myself!

 

[Scimitar]

Ah, thanks for making it clear... I see what you are getting at.

RE: The Word of God... to my understanding, all prophets (peace be upon them all) were the Word of God, because they spoke on HIS Divine behalf. Agree or disagree?

Scimi

 

[Burninglight]

You keep saying word made flesh. In other words you worship that "flesh". So you still worship other than God. You have also admitted that you worship the father as the father and the son as the son whom you also call word made flesh, the last Adam, the lamb of God and many other contradictions which are not supported by the words or teachings of God or Christ but are only supported by gospels which are written by unknown authors at an unknown time. So none of these false beliefs are actually supported by the word and teachings of God or Christ.

You are having fun aren't you? Is your word another you? Is my word another me? Are you better than your word? Can I make my word flesh so it can go over there and be with you while I am here observing how you interact with my word in person? I cannot make my word flesh and blood (A person), BUT God can do all things He wants, but He cannot lie. If He said Jesus is His "Beloved Son" we best believe it or we'll be the object of terror when He returns in the glory of the father with the holy angels. That is all that the Bible states in a nut shell.

 

[Burninglight]

Ah, thanks for making it clear... I see what you are getting at.

RE: The Word of God... to my understanding, all prophets (peace be upon them all) were the Word of God, because they spoke on HIS Divine behalf. Agree or disagree?

Scimi

No, All prophets before or after Christ were spokeman for God they gave us God's message, but Jesus is the word of God, IOW, He is the message according to the Bible and Biblical Christianity. This is what the saints of the Bible were trying to teach us! Remember Jesus said, "I am the truth, way and the life" He didn't say I show you the way like all other prophets. There is a big, big, big difference

 

[Abz2000]

I am the truth, way and the life

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:13

He didn't say I show you the way like all other prophets.

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

that is the case with ANY messenger who is sent by God, as soon as you reject one, you reject them all.

the Quran tells us that 'Ad disbelieved in the messengerS (plural), when only ONE messenger was sent to them,
the messenger who comes to you is the truth the way and the life, saying you reject him but accept the others is like rejecting the King who sent him.

 

[Burninglight]

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:13





"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

that is the case with ANY messenger who is sent by God, as soon as you reject one, you reject them all.

the Quran tells us that 'Ad disbelieved in the messengerS (plural), when only ONE messenger was sent to them,
the messenger who comes to you is the truth the way and the life, saying you reject him but accept the others is like rejecting the King who sent him.

I am not sure what you mean to say here. I only said that Jesus said "I am the Way...." he didn't say I show the way. All other prophets claimed to be messengers, but Jesus is claiming to be the message. I believe Jesus over all.

 

[Ramadhan]

I am not sure what you mean to say here. I only said that Jesus said "I am the Way...." he didn't say I show the way. All other prophets claimed to be messengers, but Jesus is claiming to be the message. I believe Jesus over all.

You claimed to believe in Jesus (pbuh) but you believe more in Paul's words.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I am not sure what you mean to say here. I only said that Jesus said "I am the Way...." he didn't say I show the way. All other prophets claimed to be messengers, but Jesus is claiming to be the message. I believe Jesus over all.

You forgot to mention what comes before that verse:

"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling
places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion
(a dwelling place) for you." John 14:2


The above statement is quite clear. It is in exact conformance to the
teachings of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an we are told how God sent messengers to
all tribes and nations. We are told that the basic message which was given to
each of these tribes was the same: "Worship God alone and worship none else."
Some of the secondary details of this worship might differ from one tribe or
nation to the next according to God's infinite wisdom and his knowledge of those
people. It was made very clear to each prophet that he was not to preach to
anyone but his own people. It was further made clear to this messenger's people
that if they were to obey him that they would receive the reward of God. God
would not hold them accountable for what any other tribe or nation did or did
not do. This would continue until God's last messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) would be
sent to all mankind as the seal of the prophets.


This is exactly what Jesus is saying here. He said that in God's mansion
there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one
of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if
they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that
they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his
people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only
do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he
was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's
house".


Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He
did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God.
What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am
the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet
does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to
guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus
tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the
"prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" (see also Jn. 12:44). Once again,
this is the message of Islam.


Finally, remember

"Not every one that says to me(Jesus); 'Lord, Lord,' will
enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father, who is in
heaven." Matthew.7:21


Source: http://www.answering-christianity.com/john14_6.htm

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Can I make my word flesh so it can go over there and be with you while I am here observing how you interact with my word in person? I cannot make my word flesh and blood (A person), BUT God can do all things He wants, but He cannot lie..

Why do you feel that God needs to make his word into human flesh? When he can easily put his word to a messenger like he has done from Adam until Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)?

This is NOT consistant with the teachings of God, Christ or ANY Prophet for that matter. But what is consistant is the oneness of God and the fact that he does NOT require a partner, son, daughter to be his helper. He merely puts his message to a messenger and his messenger propogates the word and teachings of God.

If He said Jesus is His "Beloved Son" we best believe it or we'll be the object of terror when He returns in the glory of the father with the holy angels. That is all that the Bible states in a nut shell.

God has many sons in the Bible. He also calls David his son:Psalms 2:7 says "The Lord has said to me,you are my son, today I have begotten you".

MANY passages speak of the sons of Gods, and the children of God. Sons of God were known as metaphorical issues and not a literal one. But you seem to take Jesus being the son of God literally but not when others are called sons, daughteres and children of God. The Jews saw themselves as the children of God. Sons and daughters of God. That was the status they conceived for themselves. This was a metaphorical issue and not a literal one, so please stop twisting passages to suit your desires.

 

[tayek1967]

Islam doesn't shine for you.coz Islam is not a man. Islam is religion. but when u want shine about Islam by heart & soul, may be Allah help u. so try again with faith & read Quran by your own language. thanks