Evolution

[Abu Jamal]

Many people Christians today believe in Evolution. What are your views on it? is it true, or complete rubbish???

 

[FS123]

This question keeps coming up again and again, we had a whole discussion here http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...vinced-human-evolution-contradicts-quran.html

 

[Hulk]

I believe in in minor evolution like if u keep breeding muscular lions together then their offsprings in the future will be pretty muscular. But I don't believe in us coming from fish (you know what i mean). And no evolution does not disprove the existence of God, another ignorant statement often made by atheists and entertained by theists.

 

[ardianto]

I chose to put question about human evolution in the box of unsolved mystery.

 

[GodIsAll]

I chose to put question about human evolution in the box of unsolved mystery

I would imagine that box will never be empty during our experience on Earth.

I sometimes still hate not knowing the answers to such things, but I have learned to shrug, smile and say: "I don't know". Some things are just not that important.

 

[ardianto]

I would imagine that box will never be empty during our experience on Earth.

The "unsolved mystery" box is only for human evolution. For other mysteries like universe, human behavior, etc, there is "should be solved mysteries" box.

But I also have a trash bin, special for silly questions like "how to get rich without work".

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam,

No idea. I hate science lol.

 

[GuestFellow]

The "unsolved mystery" box is only for human evolution. For other mysteries like universe, human behavior, etc, there is "should be solved mysteries" box. [

What is certain is people that support and are against evolution will wage a war against each other. There will be a lot of scratching, poking, punchies, kickies, pinches and slapping. As a result, there will be a big explosion, everyone will die and then we will never know how the Earth and humans were created. What a lovely ending to this debate. Humans are such adorable little psychos.

On a serious note, this video below is very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g66o9Pkyq08

But I also have a trash bin, special for silly questions like "how to get rich without work".

I think I'll be using the trash bin to vomit because I feel sick from reading too much. +o(

 

[Muhammad]

According to Islam, this much is clear that the theory of human evolution cannot be accepted because we know that Allaah (swt) created Adam with His own Hands, and what all the Qur'anic verses and Hadith say regarding this. As for other evolutionary processes, Allaah (swt) knows best.

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Useful articles -

http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/20...evolution.html
Theory of Evolution- Fact or Fiction? « History of Islam
Evolution « Categories « Understand Islam
Evolution and Islam
iDawah.com | Evolution
Science Islam - Evolution Creation or BOTH?
http://www.jawziyyah.com/2009/11/evo...-telescopes-2/
http://www.islam21c.com/theology/212...uman-evolution
Does Islam Refute Evolution? [4989] -Overview of Islam - Understanding Islam
The Fossil Record Refutes Evolution - The Religion of Islam
Biological Evolution – An Islamic Perspective | IslamToday - English
Areas where Darwin’s theory contradicts the Quran - Islamweb.net -English
Thermodynamics falsifies evolution - Islamweb.net -English
The fossil record refutes evolution - Hajj 1431 - Islamweb.net
The imaginary mechanism of evolution - Hajj 1431 - Islamweb.net
The Theory of Evolution
Darwinism Refuted.com

 

[MustafaMc]

The Theory of Evolution

I thought that this was a very informative article. I believe that ToE is hogwash and is a feeble, pseudo-scientific attempt to explain the origin of man without the need for a Creator. I believe those who believe in naturalistic evolution without any Intelligent Design or involvement of the Creator are disingenuous or they lack an understanding of biology and probabilities.

 

[GuestFellow]

I believe those who believe in naturalistic evolution without any Intelligent Design or involvement of the Creator are disingenuous or they lack an understanding of biology and probabilities.

Salaam,

How come they lack understanding of biology and probability? Just curious because this is an area that I'm not familiar with.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Salaam,

How come they lack understanding of biology and probability? Just curious because this is an area that I'm not familiar with.

because they have not seen those minute probabilities work it out and create a human being. it is all retrospective knowledge. and then tell us that the probability of God existing is miniscule?

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Salaam,

I think I got it. Thanks.

 

[MustafaMc]

Salaam,

How come they lack understanding of biology and probability? Just curious because this is an area that I'm not familiar with.

Consider the fact that a protein is the result of DNA being translated, but DNA replication requires enzymes (proteins). I am sure that seems like a puzzle and a play on words, but the point is that both are simultaneously required for the other to exist. Now evolution does not claim to explain the origin of life as that is a related theory called abiogenesis, but if you go further back than a seminal 'Common Ancestor' then one must ultimately solve where it came from and that would be by chance occurances of inorganic molecules coming together that, however miniscule those probabilities are, over enough time they would become a reality. The development of a single amino acid can be generated in the lab and sequential addition of amino acids in a highly controlled manner could produce a simple polypeptide chain (protien), but my contention is that this set of circumstances would never occur in nature by random chance particularly not to the point of producing a living organism.

Getting back to evolution, it claims that organisms adapted to variation in the environment through natural selection acting upon chance mutations that conferred a selective advantage. The basic premise is that these changes were gradual and occured over extensive periods of time. However, there are many organs that are non-functional with any element missing. Examples of this are the eye and the ear. I have very poor eyesight, but I can still see a little without glasses. Now I have all of the elements for my eyes and my vision can be corrected with thick glasses, but what do you think my chances of seeing would be if I lacked an iris, a lens, a cornea or an optic nerve? In that case my eyes would be completely non-functional.

 

[MustafaMc]

The point about abiogenesis is that although it is not an element of evolution, if one is to explain the origin of species from a common unicellular ancestor such as an amoeba, then the logical extension is to explain the origin of this Common Ancestor. To get the seminal Common Ancestor then one must start with elements that exist apart from previously existing organisms such as carbon, hydogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, etc as they exist in common simple compounds such as carbon dioxide, water, ammonia, etc. Organic compounds found in living organisms such as DNA, proteins, lipids, etc don't occur naturally in the environment. If someone purified an enormous number of a simple living organism such as an amoeba and then fractionated this isolate into the various organic compounds that make up the amoebas composition, no conglomeration of scientists can reassemble in a priomordial-type environment even the most basic living organism and cause it to come alive again.

Likewise with life and life systems rarely are they even partially functional without all of the elements already existing together in the most intricate arrangement. If one disassembled a car and randomly recombined the thousands of pieces, then the chance that they would become reassembled exactly in a functional car is not infinitely small, but rather the probability is zero as it is an impossibility to do so. The point again is that life systems and the various species of life are infinitely more complex than a modern car.

Naturalistic evolution is the most widely believed lie that exists today.

 

[Science101]

Many people Christians today believe in Evolution. What are your views on it? is it true, or complete rubbish???

What now goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" includes an ancient observation described by Al-Jahiz almost 1200 years ago, which was later rediscovered by Charles Darwin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz

The word "Evolution" really only describes any change over time, even automobiles. The word is not a "scientific theory" even though there is a theory named "Evolutionary Synthesis" that covers what Charles Darwin explained about mutation and selection.

Scientifically speaking, the observation that something "unfit" to survive will not survive as well as something that is "more fit" is a concept that even a child can understand, common sense, not a theory that requires modern science to discover or explain.

There are many who exaggerate its scientific importance. The theory was not needed to discover DNA and other things that came after Charles Darwin. So yes "Evolution" is no doubt true, we would have to be a clone of either our mother and father and all males/females on this planet look exactly the same for it to be false. The "complete rubbish" comes from not understanding its limitations because of being led to believe that there are none, when there most certainly are limits to its usefulness that they are unaware of.

 

[Scimitar]

I don't believe in evolution for one reason - and it's the best reason ever:

For Allah says "Kun faya Kun" - "Be, and it becomes"

Simple...

Scimi

 

[Science101]

I don't believe in evolution for one reason - and it's the best reason ever:

For Allah says "Kun faya Kun" - "Be, and it becomes"

Simple...

Scimi

That gave me an idea for an interesting question for you. If we assume (as I also do) that there was a first human couple (Adam and Eve) then why are there now regional differences in the way we look (Asian, European, African, etc.) when no "evolutionary change" like this is possible?

 

[Scimitar]

Because Allah had ordained that the offspring of Adam and Eve (may Allah be pleased with my ancestral mother and father) offspring be sorted into tribes...

... Adam and Eve had much longer lifespans than we do today, some say 1000 yrs or so. They gave birth to many children, and Allah made it a miracle that Eve's pregnancy would only last one day, the very next she'd give birth to a pair of twins (always a boy and a girl) who shared very different DNA and they were forbidden from marrying eachother because they were twins.

Instead, it was ordained by divine decree that that the first son be married to the second daughter and vice versa... because they were racially compatible.

They filled the land with tribes that could recognised eachothers racial features... this is how it happened. I can find you a link if you like.

The book, Qisas al Anbiya by Ibn Kathir explains this somewhat. So do others.

I liked your question, it was a good one.

I'm guessing you're a man of science - since your handle is science 101... as a scientologist, would you agree that science, cannot explain everything? And where logic and science fail, you have to recognise an innate quality that resides within your own self called faith?

Sure you do... you have faith in your science, right? I have faith in my Allah. And Allah showed me science, but science can never show you Allah... because Allah exists outside of the space time continuum... I guess Islam wins this one, hands down.

peace.

Scimi

EDIT: sorry, I thought you was a scientologist - you're an agnostic. my apologies.