Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

[جوري]

Do we forget these sort of statistics??

The problem unfortunately is we have folks who don't know how to read scientific articles, interpret statistics or understand scientific data populating orphan articles or opinions from defunct academics many with an agenda all their own that support their position (missing in the process) the possibility that they're being duped from a different pole all together. The only truly sad thing about this, is when they endanger the lives of their children.
At the end of the day the best you can do is lay out the facts (and that's your civic duty for the oath you took) and they're free to makeup their minds, not read what you post or answer the difficult questions, they're not free however to foment public opinion with misinformation.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

In 1974, Japan had a successful pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination program, with nearly 80% of Japanese children vaccinated. That year only 393 cases of pertussis were reported in the entire country, and there were no deaths from pertussis. But then rumors began to spread that pertussis vaccination was no longer needed and that the vaccine was not safe, and by 1976 only 10% of infants were getting vaccinated. In 1979 Japan suffered a major pertussis epidemic, with more than 13,000 cases of whooping cough and 41 deaths. In 1981 the government began vaccinating with acellular pertussis vaccine, and the number of pertussis cases dropped again.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/why.htm

Mendelsohn reasons that inoculations are ineffective because the diseases diminished not only in the U.S. when vaccinations were widespread but also in Europe even though no mass immunizations took place there. I don't know if this is true, but it should be. In isolated populations with little immunity to a disease, one would expect an infectious disease to either kill people or make them immune to further infection. In any case, whether infectious diseases diminished without inoculation is irrelevant to the causal effectiveness of vaccines. What is relevant, for example, is that the incidence of measles certainly went down due to vaccination programs in the U.S. and the U.K. (Now that a significant number of parents do not have their children vaccinated, measles outbreaks have occurred in both the U.S. and the U.K.)

http://www.skepdic.com/antivaccination.html

If everybody in a population is vaccinated, the chances of contracting the disease is near zero. But the more people in a population who do not get vaccinated, the more the whole population is jeopardized. Imagine a robust individual who is not vaccinated and gets mumps. Before his parents keep him home from school he infects half his classmates, some have been vaccinated and are not affected. Some have not been vaccinated and they get the mumps. Most recover. Maybe one of the non-vaccinated dies. There may also be a child who was vaccinated but who is not very robust and she gets infected by several people, some of whom have been vaccinated and some who have not. Both can be carriers of the virus. The weak but vaccinated girl dies. Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? No. It means that if some people don't get vaccinated they can jeopardize those who do. On the other hand, if most people have been vaccinated, those in the population who haven't been vaccinated benefit from the actions of the others and get protection against the disease without being vaccinated. If too many people take this free-ride approach, the group suffers.

The underlined part is for someone who mentioned that they were not vaccinated and hasn’t caught any diseases.


If you allow your children to catch the disease, they run the risk of being seriously ill or even dying. On the other hand, the vaccines only rarely cause serious adverse effects. It is true that vaccines do not give long lasting protection 100% of the time but then neither do many diseases. For example, you can catch whooping cough, Hib, meningococcal disease and rubella more than once. However, even if a child does catch the disease after they have had the vaccine, the disease is usually milder. By giving the vaccine most children are spared the effects of the disease. Even if immunity from the vaccine wears off, if enough people are immunized, there will be herd immunity and so this should not be a problem. This will protect people who have lost their immunity.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/ich/homepage


vaccines and harm
There is evidence, however, that some vaccines do cause harm. In northern Nigeria, there was a polio outbreak in the summer of 2003 that was triggered by a vaccine designed to eliminate it.*

Muslim clerics and disgruntled northern politicians banned polio vaccinations in the area, claiming that the drugs were a Western ploy to spread HIV and sterilize Muslim girls. The year-long mass boycott of the vaccine sparked a rash of new infections, and the virus jumped to about a dozen other countries — a devastating rollback for a polio eradication campaign that seemed finally on the verge of success....

...the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control revealed in early October [2007] that 69 Nigerian children had been paralyzed by polio virus since 2005 — and had contracted the illness through exposure to the live virus found in the oral vaccine ....(Time)
Even so, vaccine coverage has doubled countrywide in Nigeria from 35% in 2005 to a high of about 76% in 2007. Rates of new infections have dropped dramatically. Nigeria no longer has the highest number of polio cases worldwide. In 2006, Nigeria accounted for 1,125 of the 2,000 polio cases worldwide. In 2007, there were only 198 cases through October. In 2008, however, there were 788 cases, prompting a vigorous campaign to encourage vaccination.* (For comparison, in 1988 there were 350,000 new cases of polio in 125 countries, most of them in the developing world.*)

"The campaign to eradicate the polio virus must be intensified," says Sheikh Ahmed Gumbi, the powerful chief imam of the Sultan Bello mosque in Kaduna [Nigeria's second largest northern city]. "The good job must be completed. The vaccine is safe and healthy, despite a few cases of vaccine-induced infections. The immunization should continue until Nigeria is polio free." (Time)

 

[Abz2000]

The problem unfortunately is we have folks who don't know how to read scientific articles, interpret statistics or understand scientific data populating orphan articles or opinions from defunct academics many with an agenda all their own that support their position (missing in the process) the possibility that they're being duped from a different pole all together. The only truly sad thing about this, is when they endanger the lives of their children.
At the end of the day the best you can do is lay out the facts (and that's your civic duty for the oath you took) and they're free to makeup their minds, not read what you post or answer the difficult questions, they're not free however to foment public opinion with misinformation.

that reminds me of this

i've forwarded it to the exact scene, watch for 60 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8kCOsfM15c&feature=player_detailpage#t=4223s

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

The problem unfortunately is we have folks who don't know how to read scientific articles, interpret statistics or understand scientific data populating orphan articles or opinions from defunct academics many with an agenda all their own that support their position (missing in the process) the possibility that they're being duped from a different pole all together. The only truly sad thing about this, is when they endanger the lives of their children.
At the end of the day the best you can do is lay out the facts (and that's your civic duty for the oath you took) and they're free to makeup their minds, not read what you post or answer the difficult questions, they're not free however to foment public opinion with misinformation.

I went to several anti –vaccine websites and each and every one of them had statistics that has been posted in this thread from those agruing against it.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

that reminds me of this

i've forwarded it to the exact scene, watch for 60 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8kCOsfM15c&feature=player_detailpage#t=4223s

^^I've clicked and it's taken me to the beginning of the clip, what part is it that you would like us to see, Brother Abz2000?

 

[جوري]

that reminds me of this

i've forwarded it to the exact scene, watch for 60 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8kCOsfM15c&feature=player_detailpage#t=4223s

Ironic isn't it? Who you identify with in this scene -- neither the 'savages' nor the 'civilized' are correct or just.. but the 'civilized' patriarch gets it in a way the corpus of both parties don't. Who you should strive to be is a free thinker .. and judging from the almost herd like acceptance of some of the negatory articles presented here I'd say, you're indeed holding on to popular opinion. But is said popular opinion borne of reason and understanding? I personally don't think so. Accuracy is usually never severely skewed to the left or right but lie somewhere in the middle and in order for you to understand it correctly, you've to have learned it from the people who studied it correctly.

 

[Abz2000]

sister, if you want to re-gain the shephard's trust in having their sheep vaccinated, the best advice would be to not hire the wolf to make the potion.

the Prophet pbuh used to take medicine when he wanted to, but then, it wasn't made by rumsfeld.
i am not denying that there are cures out there for certain illnesses, and if you look back at my posts you will see that my main concern is about the people making it.
but i definitely would rather trust in God than go to Dajjal for a polio shot.
and i would continue to warn people about Dajjal's deception.

and also, let me assure you that there is a high likelihood of there being a barrage of huge manufactured pestilences in the near future, but if you'd look a little further into it, you will often find that the people making the cure, are the very people making the disease in their pentagon funded bio-warfare labs.

and no, it's not a conspiracy theory, just research the term bio-warfare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Biological_weapons


also, since you seem to have done some research on this issue, i would be very interested if you could please check the statistics and percentage of incidence a decade before vaccination began, and the percentage of incidence after vaccination slowed down.
JazakAllah khairan.

 

[جوري]

also, since you seem to have done some research on this issue, i would be very interested if you could please check the statistics and percentage of incidence a decade before vaccination began, and the percentage of incidence after vaccination slowed down.
JazakAllah khairan.

Data has been interpreted by Sr. Zaria. I commented on confounders and asked a couple of Q's to the validity of the claims that went unanswered, as such I don't feel like I have anything further to impart. I am obviously not holding a gun to anyone's head and telling them to do or else. You'll be interested to know that the mere fact that you know of the wolf who stands to gain from some companies is in an of itself a transparency on behalf of the medical community whose interests don't lie in politics rather the progression of science.

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

I went to several anti –vaccine websites and each and every one of them had statistics that has been posted in this thread from those agruing against it.

What is the point of this comment rhubarb? pro-vaccination websites, which are mostly government websites or university websites have charts that begin in the 1940's. If they provided information from before that, there wouldn't have to be separate "anti-vaccine" websites and books. So, of course if you look in those places you will find them.

- cOsMiC

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

OK, just one question; it may be out of topic but please forgive me...


In America, are vaccines being given to children without their parents' permissions, in secondary schools?

Just asking Then you can get back onto the discussion

I don't like quoting myself, but no one has answered my question, please answer it! I would appreciate it if the Americans answered it as they will likely be more aware of the answer

:jz: in advance

 

[Abz2000]

^^I've clicked and it's taken me to the beginning of the clip, what part is it that you would like us to see, Brother Abz2000?

1hr:10 mins:23 secs to 1hr:11mins:23 secs

I am obviously not holding a gun to anyone's head and telling them to do or else. You'll be interested to know that the mere fact that you know of the wolf who stands to gain from some companies is in an of itself a transparency on behalf of the medical community whose interests don't lie in politics rather the progression of science.

sadly sister, i have experienced first hand their willingness to lie openly while totally exposed on behalf of those in positions of authority, along also with their willingness to disregard significant findings in order to comply with instructions, so i am definitely unconverted.

and does it not even raise a single question in your mind, how, someone who is in the position of overlooking biological weapons can be a crucial member of an anti-virus company that pushes governments to buy it's product with the threat of a pandemic?
these companies have to develop strains, and multiple mutated strains while testing their products - while he's in the position of secretary of defense before that 1975, and again in 2001?

these people are transgressors, and have the authority to put pressure on establishments and scientists, and even strike them off under irrelevant guises, is it a crime to ask questions and share findings?

it seems some of us are content to go with the info they give us, and we attack those who raise valid questions, despite us not having conducted these tests or done the research ourselves.

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth,
lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
Quran 49:6

i still remember how there was a biological attack on certain media offices and politicians in the u.s immediately after the 9/11 false flag, an attack that was certain to have stifled a lot of brave reporting, it was anthrax - Ames strain, first studied at Fort Detrick U.S. Army Medical Command installation, Maryland, USA.
you think it still doesn't exist? and that scientists are immune to it?

From 1945 to 1955 under Project Paperclip and its successors, the U.S. government recruited over 1,600 Nazi German and Austrian scientists and engineers in a variety of fields such as aircraft design, missile technology and biological warfare. Among the specialists in the latter field who ended up working in the U.S. were Walter Schreiber, Erich Traub and Kurt Blome, who had been involved with medical experiments on concentration camp inmates to test biological warfare agents. Since Britain, France and the Soviet Union were also engaged in recruiting these scientists, the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) wished to deny their services to other powers, and therefore altered or concealed the records of their Nazi past and involvement in war crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick

those are the people who research viruses and vaccines, i'm sure you'll acknowledge by now that andrew wakefield's ethics weren't really of much concern to them in contrast to his findings.

but when you find that these people, the heads of these people, are involved in the business of viruses and vaccines, i'm sure you can forgive me for wondering if something is badly wrong.

here's andrew wakefield's defence of their claims, and response to the irrational cnn and fox news type hit piece interviews

 

[Tyrion]

I've noticed something recently within the general religious population, and while this may only be partially related to this thread, I felt like it was something worth pointing out. It seems to me that some of us tend to look at things outside our religion and treat it how we would our own tradition. This happens very often with scientific findings, but 'conspiracy theories' may stem from this as well.

For example, when we think of scriptures, we understand that if we find one mistake, we may have serious reasons to doubt the entire thing. This, however, should not be the way people think about most non-religious topics, yet I see it all the time. If you find one or two dissenting opinions among many in a particular field, it does not automatically give you reason to throw away the entire subject. One or two scientists who bring up some controversial findings shouldn't be enough to make you disregard all other work in that field, especially if you have not studied it yourself.

 

[Abz2000]

it shouldn't indeed, but it should definitely make one stop and reflect, and put some time into researching these claims and seeing what true and what's false,
and from the fox news and cnn hit interviews along with irrational attacks on wakefield, i decided to see what he himself said, he seems to have clarified most - if not all - the misconceptions and lies told about him:

One or two scientists who bring up some controversial findings shouldn't be enough to make you disregard all other work in that field,

neither should they be demonized, character assassinated, and then struck off the practitioners list based on an unrelated premise.

 

[Na'imah]

I don't like quoting myself, but no one has answered my question, please answer it! I would appreciate it if the Americans answered it as they will likely be more aware of the answer

:jz: in advance

Yes. This has definitely happened. I can't post links yet, but just Google, "vaccination given to student without parent's permission" and you'll find several incidents like this.

 

[Muhaba]

I think it has been proven over many years that immunization does work in preventing diseases. there used to be diseases such as small pox that were deadly and quickly reached epidemic levels but alhamdu lillah, Allah gave man knowledge that enabled him to make vaccines and those vaccines were succesful of course by the Grace of Allah and so diseases were prevented.

so i beleive that ppl should immunize their children unless it's proven that a particular vaccine is either useless or harmful.

in today's society immunization is even necessary. for example, you can't send your children to school unless they are immunized. that's done to prevent diseases from spreading amongst school children.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

neither should they be demonized, character assassinated, and then struck off the practitioners list based on an unrelated premise.

They should be, if they have been proven to have done wrong, which is the case with Wakefield. Posting a video of him defending is like posting a video of a murderer caught red handed defending himself. Have you read his work? I have. I read everything. And if he was so innocent, why didn’t he conduct the research without being funded by lawyers who were building a case against MMR, for example? His work was a joke. He FAILED to carry out his research properly! I would have defended him if he did carry his research correctly. He didnt. And many of us would have been dead if we were to allow doctors and medical researcher to conduct all research in the same manner he did.



IF you don’t trust doctors, research and medical treatment, I suggest you and everyone else in the same position withdraw from seeing doctors and going to hospital and don’t send your children to school (placing other children and vulnerable patient at risk!). And you have not explained if why Japan saw sudden (just TWO years) increase in polio after vaccinations for many children were stopped or Nigeria?


Bear in mind, scientist has never claimed vaccinations alone was responsible for the decline in many diseases. They claim it was responsible for eradicating these diseases altogether. If for instance, hygiene is the main reason like most of you have claimed. Then why was there sudden increase polio in Japan when they were hygienic at the time? We are not talking about undeveloped country like Nigeria where the increase may be due to hygiene.

 

[CosmicPathos]

alternative medicine is good for maintaining health, and rarely for correcting a diseases state. But for acute emergencies, alternative med is simply suicide. Skepticism is good but why not be skeptical of these "whistle blowers" who somehow know the secrets? Remember that italian doctor who claimed to treat cancer by sodium bicarbonate! He claimed acidic pH results in cancer!! what an idiot spreading false knowledge to public. If that was true then why did not ppl with metabolic acidosis develop cancer?

Anyone remembers the whole movement that AIDs is not caused by HIV? There are electron microscope micrographs showing the budding of HIV particles from a AIDs patient's cells. Then the conspiracy theories came that HIV was developed by US govt. And then that H5N1 was engineered. And Spanish Flu was engineered. So on and so forth.

Go to Pakistan. Meet the children paralyzed by polio virus. Feel their pain in your heart. And then see how oral polio vaccine has prevented thousands of children from becoming paralyzed. From getting their lives ruined. From becoming dependent on others for the rest of their lives. Feel some empathy in your heart. Be thankful that we can prevent paralysis caused by polio virus. For people born in Pakistan, it could have been one of us paralyzed today if we had gotten polio virus. Be thankful to Allah for creating a means to escape paralysis caused by polio virus.

 

[جوري]

sadly sister, i have experienced first hand their willingness to lie openly while totally exposed on behalf of those in positions of authority, along also with their willingness to disregard significant findings in order to comply with instructions, so i am definitely unconverted.

I am not looking to convert you haven't you been browsing the forum?
A personal experience doesn't an expose make least of which on behalf of the entire medical community which is also not circumscribed to your territory -- surely you conceive that doctors exist in every spot of the world and that research, biotechnology and manufacture of vaccine isn't restricted to the west & that contrary to popular belief here, they're not out to get you. Rather they seek medicine for a genuine love of healing and helping.
I can't even classify what you (collectively) posted here as an observational study ..what it is, is testimony.. it is marketing and you're intelligent enough to secern the difference. If you just by mere diction know the difference between Hadith & Quran, between right and wrong, between night and day, between seriousness and play then you can use that judgement to discern real medicine from quackery.

 

[Abz2000]

IF you don’t trust doctors, research and medical treatment, I suggest you and everyone else in the same position withdraw from seeing doctors and going to hospital and don’t send your children to school (placing other children and vulnerable patient at risk!).

Sister, I haven't been to visit a doctor for medicine since 2004 (except when I needed a photo attested),
And I allowed my first son to be vaccinated out of ignorance,
But then I did my own research, oddly, he's the only one who displays signs of hyperactivity and total heedlessness when it comes to climbing and injuring himself around the house, he also has a problem of not being able to concentrate much when taught anything).
God knows why that is, it could be unrelated.
But yes,
We avoid medication when possible (not that I think it's wrong), but because I believe in allowing the body's natural response system to work whenever possible, and I am also aware that the immune system works in reverse when you suddenly flood your system with a medicine to do the work, because the immune system tries to normalise),

Anyway, yes, I avoid it when possible (hopefully i'll go to my maker before becoming weak and dependent on Medication to survive),
And yes, I also home school my children, because I don't believe we're made from monkeys, apes, or orangutans as told, and because I don't want them to get kufr virus, however, due to the rat race making it a little stressful and difficult, along with the corruption, and undignified way in which this government pushes usury at people leaving us unable to buy homes with cash due to their relationship with banks who inflate the prices of homes beyond reach unless you go to them, I am leaving this country soon inshaAllah and going somewhere where private tuition is cheaper and I can build without harassment


Sister lamees, I believe u r aware that politics does play a huge role in scientific journals, because u know that they hide the concept that we are created, while using totally irrational data and reasoning to prove to us that we're just beasts who need to submit to the beast who wants to dominate us while we feel helpless..

I'm going to post a clip later when I'm on the pc which I hope you'll all watch, it may make us reflect.

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

I care not what the Doctors say here, all I know is, vaccinations for babies show absolutely no faith in Allah - and I have a massive problem with that.

Im having a massive problem with the imaans of doctors/ those who decide to vaccinate their kids being judged.

“Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah” (At-Tirmidhi).

Tying ones camel = trying to prevent the animal from escaping (by the will of Allah)
Having a vaccine = trying to prevent being afflicted from a particular disease (by the will of Allah).

We place our trust in our Rabb, AND we are making the effort to protect ourselves.

Oh there's a lot more, you just have to "look". Oh and sis Zaria, it's only a conspiracy theory if you are unaware of the "facts"

Im still waiting for the 'facts' - about vaccines.

Oh yes.......there are no facts.
Only speculations and building on conspiracy theories.

As mentioned:

"I see that you need evidential proofs, and there is nothing wrong with that - but really now, you know sis Zaria, that this info will not be made public fact til 30 yrs have elapsed... by which time you'll all be scratching your heads thinking "what a world we live in"."

Well, its been a good few decades of vaccines - and still we wait to see this flood of 'Victims of Vaccines'.

Lets see what we DO know - REALITY CHECK!

Lets take some case scenarios:

Case 1:
I'll share with everyone a story of a collegue of mine:

KZN doctor died of swine flu

16 Sep 2009 | Sne Masuku | 0 comments




THE death toll from the H1N1 virus in KwaZulu-Natal has risen to five.
The authorities confirmed yesterday that a doctor who died last month had contracted the H1N1 virus.


Irshad Moola of KwaDukuza, north of Durban, died at a local private hospital after a short illness.
His family and the provincial department of health confirmed that the doctor died of swine flu after falling ill with what appeared to be flu symptoms.


His bereaved father Farouk Moola said his son was admitted to hospital complaining of difficulty breathing and experiencing flu-like symptoms and died two days later.


"My son died of the H1N1 flu after being ill for two days," he said.
"His death was so sudden and is a great loss to the family."
Moola had been working at KwaDukuza Hospital for five years . He is the first health practitioner to die of swine flu.
The virus has claimed the lives of more than 30 people in South Africa and about 11253 have been infected in the past few months .

(For those interested in placing a life and a face to the brother who lost his life to the epidemic that had just reached South Africas shores at the time - there is a FB page in his memory: http://www.**************pages/Irshad-Moolla-Doctor/129091262162
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon)

So, what should the advise be to those medical personnel/ family members who were in direct contact with this young brother(as well as other victims) - and are therefore at high risk of contracting the virus themselves?

Answer: Vaccinate.

“Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah” (At-Tirmidhi).


Case 2:

How should a young HIV positive pregnant be advised?
Should she take anti-retrovirals - that have been proven in randomised controlled trials to reduce the risk of mother-to-child transmission from 25-30% to less than 2%?

Answer: Preventative ARVs required.

“Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah” (At-Tirmidhi).

Case 3:

You are travelling to a malaria-stricken region in Africa.
It is peak malaria season, and there have been thousands already afflicted by the disease - many losing their lives as a result of complications and poor access to health-care.

What should you do?
Answer: Take malaria chemo-prophylaxis (i.e. medication that will insha Allah, prevent disease even if you are bitten by an infected mosquito).

“Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah” (At-Tirmidhi).



And I can go on......


The point is the following:


Yes, there are many theories as to how outbreaks originate.
Are they a result of laboratory-engineering/ genetically modifications?

WHO knows BUT Allah (subhanawataála ) himself!

At the end of the day - I, as well other health-care practioners are facing ACTUAL PEOPLE, SUFFERING FROM ACTUAL DISEASE, OFTEN FACING DEATHS DOOR.
These patients are not figments of our imagination.
Their diseases are real.
Their disabilities and deaths are real.

Does Mr X whose son is fighting for his life from a certain virus/ bacteria or the doctor who is looking after him, CARE, at that point in time, whether:
- the virus/ bacteria is part of some greater picture?
- that Mr Rumsfield is the chairman of Tamiflu company?

Should it make a difference to our management?
Should I withold antibiotics/ anti-virals (the ones whose efficacy we have witnessed with our own eyes) - because of views that include: 'we think', 'perhaps', 'maybe'?

NO!
Alhamdulillah.

Irrespective of whether the above is true or not - Allah knows best - there is a persons life at the end of this line!


I personally have been witness to many many deaths from HIV and TB in my country.
So many......I have honestly lost count.
What I see, e.g. is the 25 year old man, weighing only 40 kg, bedridden - his body wasted from the effects of his disease.

I PRAY that a vaccine for HIV/ TB, by the will of Allah can be found!

Please people - open your eyes!

Yes, there are sinister people out there, with evil intentions of biologic war-fare.
And, I trust that Allah will take them to account!
If not in this life, then in the aakhirah.

@ sis cosmic:

Just as you may question the accuracy of the figures/ graphs presented from the medical field, so too do I question those that are being pumped through the anti-vaccine sites.
One need only google: 'I hate vaccines', 'Vaccines bad for you', 'Vaccines harmful' - to reach a completely skewed perception by the fear-mongerers out there.

You find what you are looking for.

So:

I find it amazing to have such precise mapping of mortality rates from 1900 on measles for example, when:

the measles virus itself was first discovered in 1930, and John F. Enders of the Children's Hospital in Boston successfully isolated the measles virus in 1954!
Amazing.
(I am aware that it was a persian physician to first clinically differentiate between the smallpox and measles).


In any case, Im not here to change peoples minds - who are set against vaccinations.
This is your decision.

Im simply here to balance the scales - for those innocent readers who visit this forum, and may be influenced by un-evidenced theories.


This is my last post on this insha Allah.
(I have exams in a matter of weeks, insha Allah. Please remember me in your duaas).


:wa: