"Innocence of Muslims" movie causes outrage

[Jedi_Mindset]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

It was actually 'pro Qaddafi' people who killed the ambassador as some reports suggest. Make no mistake however, whether NATO or the U.S were asked to help it was clearly in their best interest to take out a schizophrenic ticking time bomb who was cornered and ready to explode with whatever secrets he possessed. They loved him like they did Mubarak when they loved him and hate when they hate. They have no friends or allies in us just to get this clear! Be that as it may where is the U.S and NATO in Syria? Selective compassion or simply good strategic steps to ensure their interests in the region? Probably go in like Bosnia after mass genocide and call dibs on heroism.
Neither the U.S nor NATO go into a place unless they've much vested interest. Right now their interests lie in eradicating as many Sunni Muslims of Syria as possible!

best,

Sis those were reports, however i still believe it was one of the militia who fought also against gadaffi, to turn their guns against the US.

And the last step is to destroy the whole country completely, divide it or put a very weak government in it who always will be enslaved by the west and always will be depending on the IMF.

The US just spit out puppets, as long the country is no danger for israel, libya isnt a danger, egypt; i doubt also.



The libyan government just allowed 50 US marines in their country to guard the US embassies (http://rt.com/news/us-warships-libya-violence-011/, i really doubt them to be entirely truthfull, but which government is? As long the libyans enjoy more freedom...''freedom''

I find Morsi more trustworthy.

But i dont care anyway, i refrain from supporting everyone of them, we muslims should take care of the worst enemy first - riba/usury, the banks located in the muslim countries.

 

[yahia12]

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This is just plain stupidity. There are many different ways of protesting and fighting injustice. Such outrageous acts only give a bad image of Muslims and Islamic countries. :hmm:

 

[sister herb]

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You see, this is one reason why they make kind of films; they know reaction of extremists and they WANT that "West" will hate by they actions all muslims - because westerners are quite blind to see difference between bad muslims and good muslims. After more hate westeners will accept more easy new wars against muslim countries.

"divide and conquer"

 

[YusufNoor]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

You see, this is one reason why they make kind of films; they know reaction of extremists and they WANT that "West" will hate by they actions all muslims - because westerners are quite blind to see difference between bad muslims and good muslims. After more hate westeners will accept more easy new wars against muslim countries.

"divide and conquer"

Neocon False Flag in North Africa – Part of Election Strategy

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The Movie the Muslim World Is Furious About Might Not Even Be a Movie

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-about-might-not-even-be-a-movie-2466362.html

Were Libya attacks coordinated to mark 9/11?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280821,00.html

 

[IslamicRevival]

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Muslims yet again fall into the trap set by extremist Anti Islam bigots. When will we ever learn? Its exactly this kind of reaction they're after!

 

[glo]

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Muslims yet again fall into the trap set by extremist Anti Islam bigots. When will we ever learn? Its exactly this kind of reaction they're after!

The problem is that it only takes A FEW people to rise to the provocation, and then it snowballs quite quickly.
I have been VERY encouraged by the counter-protests, declaring that these actions have NOTHING to do with Islam!

http://descrier.co.uk/world/2012/09/libya-the-killings-do-not-represent-benghazi-or-islam/

 

[Perseveranze]

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Asalaamu Alaikum,

 

[Logikon]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

If the man wanted to discuss aspects of Muhammad’s life, it should be done in a respectful manner.

Doing it this way does not achieve anything.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

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The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) bore the most severe abuse to himself and his followers, and yet he exemplified the verse [25:63] And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the uncivilized address them, they respond with words of peace. When the people of Ta'if stoned him for simply inviting them to Islam, he raised his hands in prayer, not for their destruction, but for the guidance of their descendants. The best response from Muslims is to embody the legacy of the Prophet and show the world the reality of his beautiful teachings, and clarify their misconceptions. Hatred begets conflict. Hatred drives people apart, and destroys civilization.

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[IslamicRevival]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) bore the most severe abuse to himself and his followers, and yet he exemplified the verse [25:63] And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the uncivilized address them, they respond with words of peace. When the people of Ta'if stoned him for simply inviting them to Islam, he raised his hands in prayer, not for their destruction, but for the guidance of their descendants. The best response from Muslims is to embody the legacy of the Prophet and show the world the reality of his beautiful teachings, and clarify their misconceptions. Hatred begets conflict. Hatred drives people apart, and destroys civilization.

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Our Prophet (Infinite Peace and blessings be upon him) indeed is best in character. Were taught to control our emotions but why are there so many angry Muslims nowdays?

 

[DavidK565]

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One needs to make a distinction between "protests" and "violence", apparently.

There is no question that the person who produced this film is a fool, who could very well have been trying to provoke people. Or maybe he thinks he speaks the truth. Either way, it should not matter. Everyone has the right to express themselves, provided you are not physically harming others. He has the freedom to make such a film, and similarly, people who are upset have a right to be upset. But unfortunately, it crosses over from protest to violence far too often. When buildings get burned, when people get hurt or killed, it has gone too far, and things like this need to stop. The violence only continues to push this notion that Muslims can not be moderate in their behavior.

The Qur'an, the Prophet, and Islam in general are all important to people who practice the faith. But for those who don't, it doesn't mean as much because its not their faith! One needs to take this into account. Perhaps drawing a picture of the Prophet is a grave sin for people in the faith, but people outside of the faith do not care. Violent protests in response to things like that don't do anything to help Islam. I consider the cow to be a sacred animal, which is why Hindus don't eat beef. But if someone who ISN'T Hindu eats a burger in front of me, am I supposed to attack him for it? Its not his faith; its mine.

 

[Hulk]

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Actually to make a fair comparison you would have to imagine someone making a film mocking a personality in Hinduism.. for example Vishnu..

 

[glo]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

There is no question that the person who produced this film is a fool, who could very well have been trying to provoke people. Or maybe he thinks he speaks the truth. Either way, it should not matter. Everyone has the right to express themselves, provided you are not physically harming others. He has the freedom to make such a film, and similarly, people who are upset have a right to be upset.

I disagree somewhat.
The person who made the film may have the legal right to make it, but morally his actions are indefensible - at least if he made the film with the intent to provoke a reaction.
I think intention matters here.

Making a film, hoping it will incite anger, hatred and violence across the globe and risk world peace?? How sick is that! :heated:

Of course, going out and causing damage to property and harming or even killing people is inexcusable too. But my feeling is that many of the people who commit those acts are either not very educated or are caught up in the irrational mob reactions.

My guess is that the maker of the film was neither uneducated nor irrational. His actions were very cleverly planned and calmly carried out. That makes him immoral.

 

[DavidK565]

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Actually to make a fair comparison you would have to imagine someone making a film mocking a personality in Hinduism.. for example Vishnu..

Ok, if you would prefer Vishnu be the example, that's fine. But the same principle applies. Those who are not Hindu do not believe in Vishnu or any of the other Hindu gods. How can one expect them to show reverence for something that they do not believe? Why would they? Why would a Jew pray to Jesus, as Christians do? Why would someone who is an Atheist show reverence for any religious figure? They would not, and we can't expect them to.

The tenets of what makes your particular faith special are only important to you and the people who believe as you believe. Others can not be held to the same standard. This is why I get upset when Muslims (in this particular case) are getting violent over this movie. Muslims can not expect people who do not share their faith to treat it the same way that THEY would treat it. And people should not be punished for that. Everyone has the right to believe as they do, and express it, without hurting others.

 

[IslamicRevival]

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Holy cow! Everyone has the right to express themselves but there are certain boundaries and parameters we mustn't cross. Take for example the 'N' word, i would never utter it as I know its a term which may offend a community of people so you see, there are limits even in Free Speech! Publishing material which is intended to provoke a nation of 1.5 Billion+ Muslims should be classed as Inciteful, its a hate crime not merely an act of expressing ones views. Those individuals acting like thugs in violent protests do not represent me as a Muslim, nor do they represent Islam.

 

[Aprender]

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This is why I get upset when Muslims (in this particular case) are getting violent over this movie. Muslims can not expect people who do not share their faith to treat it the same way that THEY would treat it. And people should not be punished for that. Everyone has the right to believe as they do, and express it, without hurting others.

Careful with the generalization you're making here. Just because some Muslims chose to react violently doesn't mean we all support that behavior and no one should have been killed over this. Our religion doesn't approve of this behavior but sadly some Muslims aren't as educated about Islam as they should be or allow their anger to take over them which is also something we as Muslims should guard ourselves against.

I think there is more to this story than we know right now.

 

[جوري]

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Everyone has the right to express themselves

This is the crux of everyone's argument, but it is actually not true, and it is especially not true in western society.
Try writing anti holocaust pamphlets, or getting satellite and watching the HizbAllah Chanel or downloading material from the web that's classified as either 'terrorist material' or watching certain types of pornography. If you're going to pass laws, silly laws, like banning clothes or banning material to watch and sending the FBI on a Muslim as a preemptive measure basically with no other intention than to harass, and/or imprison and torture without a trial then don't elect yourself as a paragon of virtue a leader of the pack of whom the rest should follow the example of. You keep saying and it is what we're hearing repeatedly it is free expression it is free speech it free this, then why isn't that extended to the other side? Why the hypocrisy?

 

[DavidK565]

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I disagree somewhat.
The person who made the film may have the legal right to make it, but morally his actions are indefensible - at least if he made the film with the intent to provoke a reaction.
I think intention matters here.

Making a film, hoping it will incite anger, hatred and violence across the globe and risk world peace?? How sick is that! :heated:

Of course, going out and causing damage to property and harming or even killing people is inexcusable too. But my feeling is that many of the people who commit those acts are either not very educated or are caught up in the irrational mob reactions.

My guess is that the maker of the film was neither uneducated nor irrational. His actions were very cleverly planned and calmly carried out. That makes him immoral.

Perhaps the producer of this film is immoral. But we are not to judge him. He will get what is coming to him without human intervention, if one believes in such.

I take slight issue with the first line of your statement in that I do not believe this man's goal was to incite violence. Perhaps he wanted to anger people. Perhaps it would have led to protests. But violence is up to the people who commit it. They could have chosen NOT to be violent. They could have chosen NOT to murder people. It has gotten to be a serious problem when acts of murder, violence, and destruction are the NORMAL expectations for a response, and that rationality is the rarity. Violence should not be the first thing that comes to mind.

 

[Hulk]

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Ok, if you would prefer Vishnu be the example, that's fine. But the same principle applies. Those who are not Hindu do not believe in Vishnu or any of the other Hindu gods. How can one expect them to show reverence for something that they do not believe? Why would they? Why would a Jew pray to Jesus, as Christians do? Why would someone who is an Atheist show reverence for any religious figure? They would not, and we can't expect them to.

The tenets of what makes your particular faith special are only important to you and the people who believe as you believe. Others can not be held to the same standard. This is why I get upset when Muslims (in this particular case) are getting violent over this movie. Muslims can not expect people who do not share their faith to treat it the same way that THEY would treat it. And people should not be punished for that. Everyone has the right to believe as they do, and express it, without hurting others.

Revering and outright mocking/disrespecting is different. This is simple human being courtesy.. You don't have to personally like someone's father but that doesn't mean you can outright disrespect the man. If someone came up to you and insulted your mother, wouldn't you be angry? It's that simple..

 

[DavidK565]

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Careful with the generalization you're making here. Just because some Muslims chose to react violently doesn't mean we all support that behavior and no one should have been killed over this. Our religion doesn't approve of this behavior but sadly some Muslims aren't as educated about Islam as they should be or allow their anger to take over them which is also something we as Muslims should guard ourselves against.

I think there is more to this story than we know right now.

I did not mean to generalize. I was referring to those who commit the acts of violence, and those who support the acts of violence as a justifiable response. Certainly, this is a minority viewpoint.