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that Muslims are angels and those who dare disagree with their narrative are labeled as Kaffirs or their conspirators/spies.
The first thing that is important to note is that this forum is not representative of all of Muslims that exist in the world. People are free to think and believe about foreign policy as they wish. Doesn't mean they're conspiracy theorists automatically. Some agree. Some don't. Allah knows. Secondly, when I first came here as a Christian, all the members kept telling me was learn Islam before I get to know Muslims. Because Muslims are human beings with flaws. How many born Muslims are only Muslim by name. No one here told me that Muslims are angels, especially when I constantly see duas asking for forgiveness and guidance for us all. I also get linked up to some pretty great Islamic lectures here too. And the topics?

Why Muslims need better manners. Why Muslims need to give advice respectfully. Why Muslims need not divide up the religion. Why Muslims need to be respectful of scholars. Why Muslims need to work on following the Sunnah. Why Muslims need to keep up with salaah. Why Muslims need to seek more knowledge in their religion. Why Muslims need to keep good company. Why Muslims need to give sadaqah or zakaah. Why Muslims need to stop putting their culture above Islam. Nothing about being perfect and sinless.

What everybody does here is talk about how evil the "other" side is.
But you do realize that there is an evil "other" side at play here, right? Surely you recognize that many Muslims are being killed and droned. Many of them innocent. That is no ant on someone's lawn. Many of them not bearded men in turbans incorrectly using verses of the Quran to justify their violence. And you also recognize that Muslims are discriminated against too? Especially right here in America. I recognized this as a non-Muslim and I wondered why. So I came here. And I think it's valid to talk about that sometimes and advise each other on how to cope with that as well as talk about what we as a community need to do to improve ourselves as an Ummah.


I rarely see news on this forum about what Muslims are doing "right". It's always something about Muslims being attacked either in war, by waswas, by a family member, or spouse and what we need to do to improve. A call to "wake up" more than anything else here. And the way other members go about that is with evidence, resources and scholarly opinions. And disagreements arise from that material but most of the other members here, aside from the some of the kaffir, don't tear Muslims down and talk about how awful, stupid, hopeless and backwards we are like you do time and time again on this forum. Even some of our Christian and non-religious members on this forum show more respect than this. Pygo even said he would fight to help end the oppression of Muslims in one thread and he's an atheist and rarely agrees with anything we talk about here.

My little brother is a kaffir. He makes mistakes. He does things he shouldn't all the time just like any of us. And he gets advice about what he should do. The man he should try to be and what he needs to do to take those steps to grow into a mature, responsible young man. But I would not dare tell him that he is stupid and dumb for doing what he's doing, that he will never amount to anything, or call him hopeless, while someone else is kicking him while he's down. You just don't treat your family that way.

No point me saturating the already thick medium of posts here on the line of we are "holier than thou", blah blah blah. Muslims need to open their eyes and not see the world in such a paranoid manner where everybody is trying to conspire against them.

Holier than thou is Christian rhetoric and I don't know any Muslim on this forum or offline who believe themselves to be holy or sinless, astaghfirullah. But Allah does tell us in the Quran:

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided."

"And let there be [arising] from you a nation inviting to [all that is] good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, and those will be the successful."

"You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah ."

Yes. There are some Muslims who are not enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't offer support, encouragement and resources to help Muslims mend their ways. And until they do perhaps there won't be any prosperity for a little while. But with hardship there is ease. Support and encouragement to do better is what is needed. That is what I see all around me. At every khutbah. At every Muslim convention. At every halaqa. Always about how Muslims need to improve their conduct and do better and worship Allah in the correct way. The elephant is being addressed all around you. The call isn't being answered maybe as quickly as we'd like but the alarm is still blaring. Maybe it's time you step off the internet for a little bit, step back into the real world, and take a picture.
 
^^ I agree with most of your observations of the real world and on this forum.

The first thing that is important to note is that this forum is not representative of all of Muslims that exist in the world.

True, and I never said it did.

People are free to think and believe about foreign policy as they wish. Doesn't mean they're conspiracy theorists automatically.

Indeed. But if they do spew out conspiracies than they are indeed conspiracy theorists.

Nothing about being perfect and sinless.

Try telling that to some of those posters here who think bearded men with turbans yelling Jihad are angels.


most of the other members here, aside from the some of the kaffir, don't tear Muslims down and talk about how awful, stupid, hopeless and backwards we are like you do time and time again on this forum.

Well, those are rather harsh words. I would never call the entire Muslim ummah in that manner since I am on of them. All I did was call the Pakistani Taliban the scum of the earth and I still stand by it. I also criticized the rational of firing primitive rockets into Israel knowing they would retaliate using highly advanced weapons and cause more harm than good. I just questioned politics on the expense of civilians. If you disagree, then so be it.

But you do realize that there is an evil "other" side at play here, right? Surely you recognize that many Muslims are being killed and droned. Many of them innocent. That is no ant on someone's lawn. Many of them not bearded men in turbans incorrectly using verses of the Quran to justify their violence.

Indeed. I agree evils does exist on the other side as well. Oh yea, maybe I didn't criticize or condemn Israel here. Yea, I would have gotten likes for it. But I don't post to get likes or approval from fellow Muslims. I condemned Israel on forums where I deem it's right..

I don't really like self-promotion but you have sort of forced me to...Look at the top comment on this CNN article:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/23/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html#comment-717944096

My name is Zain Dar. Click on my name and see the full history of comments against Israel that I have made over this past week. I criticize both sides where-ever I see the wrongs...
 
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We would like to see said conspiracies - do you think you can do that in lieu of merely asserting? So far the only one spewing lies and conspiracies is you. Your rhetoric isn't even in concert with main stream media!
Also 'hardly anyone takes the other side' isn't much if an argument!
Try sticking with the truth and walking in the light sometimes you won't find yourself in agreement with all that's evil simply to stand apart!
That's the most absurd argument I've come across!
Will wonders ever cease?
As a general rule you're in no position to defend Islam not merely judging by your comments here although that's reason enough but your general lack of knowledge of current events and history - I think you'd bring the quota down for the entire Muslim corpus!

Best,
 
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Everybody gets their information from the media unless you are claiming you are being guided by God HimSelf Who apparently tells you what is a fact and what is a conspiracy with respect to world affairs. If that is not the case and I'm sure that is not the case pls stop with the nonsense of who gets their information from where...

IT IS her love with conspiracy theories. No matter how you spin it. Her paranoid mind can't comprehend anything else.

The thing is there is no basis for a Malala conspiracy theory as you guys wish there was. In the early stages conspirators yelled that this is a pretext to launch an operation and when the Pakistani government denied any such intention, they were caught with their pants down lying. It's just that you simply can't comprehend that there are bearded and turbaned Muslims who can do evil things. You are blinded by the sheer hatred for the other side, you can't see the evil in front of you. Look dear, the Pakistani Taliban are the scum of the earth and it's about time you change your narrative.

The problem with you and the likes of you is that you hated it when the rest of the world exploited this heinous crime of the Taliban for their own agendas. Only if you hated the original crime as much as her exploitation.

Masha Allah logical arguments in response to the facts i presented :statisfie

So which is your fav drama these days,Roasty?Are you going to watch "Zindagee Gulzar hey" :hmm: I liked the novel but im not gonna watch the drama the change of stories bother me +o( What do you say :hmm:
 
Masha Allah logical arguments in response to the facts i presented

I reread my comments...Still not sure what you are trying to imply here..

So which is your fav drama these days,Roasty?Are you going to watch "Zindagee Gulzar hey"

I swear I looked it up... you tell me, should I? How was the novel? Well, I don't have a current fav since I haven't really found the time to watch any.

What do you say

I say Fawad alone is a good enough reason for you to watch it. :p
 
I say Fawad alone is a good enough reason for you to watch it. :p

Indeed he's a good reason :statisfie A diabetic enjoying life successfully,truly a good message in his life :statisfie

Ermm you really don't :hmm: so how you be able to find all that reasoning you present in your posts ^o) Man,you are hiding your sources don't ya ^o)
 
Indeed he's a good reason A diabetic enjoying life successfully,truly a good message in his life

Seriously, I have lost it. Are you being sarcastic or what?


Ermm you really don't so how you be able to find all that reasoning you present in your posts Man,you are hiding your sources don't ya

HEHEE.:statisfie Can't we not just let it go?
 
Because every other person here does that. No point me saturating the already thick medium of posts here on the line of we are "holier than thou", blah blah blah. Muslims need to open their eyes and not see the world in such a paranoid manner where everybody is trying to conspire against them.

Well, to be exact people are actually conspiring against us! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade

haven't you read the qu'ran? That the Nations of the world will unleash attacks on us, like wolves roaming around a prey? Aren't you see that happening now? (is a hadith but need to find it) Alot of muslim countries got invaded, especially after 9/11, we are not talking about iraq and afghanistan here, even your own country pakistan isnt safe from the drones who have killed almost 3000 people in 2 years, 80% of them civilians. both the iraq invasions resulted in the death of more than 2 million iraqis, around 4 million afghans killed during both soviet and NATO invasion. Somalia devasted, first by invasion then proxy war. Yemen civil war, syria civil war, libya civil war and got invaded afterwards. Mali on the brink of invasion today. Lebanon got invaded, gaza got invaded twice. Iran might see a possible invasion soon but cant know the future so..pakistan- india war can happen.

Read this hadith, subhan'Allah how this reflected the period during crusades and 9/11, but atleast we had a hero during the first crusades, he was salahuddin(Ra) and now we have no good leader and men are gone.

So, read this hadith and ponder, it makes so much sense! most likely our nabi(SaW) was talking about this age, this time since the caliphate got destroyed.

“The People will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their food.” Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?” He replied, “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the breasts (hearts) of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.” Someone asked, “O Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?” He replied, “Love of the world and dislike of death.”
— An authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud and Ahmad





 
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I don't really like self-promotion but you have sort of forced me to...
I read those comments from you the first time you posted the link. Strange, even in criticizing Israel and speaking among those non-Muslims you gave them more respect. And while it's quite sad the way you were attacked and the way the arguments went about there, I still can't understand why you chose to defend the likes of those people who hate you and your religion on this forum over your brothers and sisters in Islam.

Yea, I would have gotten likes for it. But I don't post to get likes or approval from fellow Muslims. I condemned Israel on forums where I deem it's right..
So on some forums you're the stand up Muslim guy. Advocating for Islam and speaking out against the oppression of Muslims in Palestine! mashaAllah... And on this forum you speak out against Muslims. About how some are deluded because they don't agree with your views about war strategies and give some credit to what you think are conspiracy theories. Hmm. Do you see how that raises eyebrows?

I also criticized the rational of firing primitive rockets into Israel knowing they would retaliate using highly advanced weapons and cause more harm than good. I just questioned politics on the expense of civilians. If you disagree, then so be it.
I'm not here to disagree with you though it seems your ego might thrive off of fighting with your brothers and sisters in Islam. I don't want to ignite it. I just want to understand where you're coming from and I still don't see what you see. But that's OK. This is not a public relations forum. Maybe it's because I don't have access to you in the same way that I do some of my sisters on this forum. Them I can speak to off of this forum and we can talk about a variety of topics. And no, they definitely don't think Muslims can do no wrong. Quite the opposite, really.

"The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practice regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise." [9:71]

But I will leave you to your Muslim bashing.
 
And on this forum you speak out against Muslims

See, you got this part wrong...I don't speak against Muslims. I speak against terrorists called the Pakistani Taliban just like I speak against Israel. Disagreeing with Muslims who believe in conspiracies shouldn't imply that I am "speaking against Muslims".
 
What if we could return back to topic?



Dr. Mustafa Barghouti: Israel’s Actions Threaten the Sustainability of the Ceasefire
Saturday, 24 November 2012 16:14 . .
PNN

On Friday 23rd November, Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, Secretary General of the Palestinian National Initiative stated from Gaza that the ceasefire reached between Hamas and Israeli authorities on Wednesday 21 November 2012 is at risk of being collapsed.

Israel has violated the ceasefire three times in the past two days, shooting live ammunition at civilians in the buffer zone along the southern border between the Gaza Strip and Israel. Most recently, Anwar Qdeih, 20-years old, was shot directly in the head by the Israeli army yesteday. An additional 23 civilians have been severely injured by live ammunition near the border fence since Wednesday's agreement.

"This is a very serious violation of the ceasefire," says Dr. Barghouti, who calls on the United States, and all other countries that helped in arranging the ceasefire, to exercise immediate and effective pressure on Israel to stop such contraventions.

"Israel's actions threaten the sustainability of the ceasefire," says Dr. Barghouti, "If they are not stopped at once, Israel's runs a grave chance of completely collapsing the tenuous truce."

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/nat...-threaten-the-sustainability-of-the-ceasefire
 
^ Well Israel tends to do whatever it wants. The worst should be expected from Israel.
 
When zionists and Gaza had so-called truce before war 2008 - 2009, zionists broke it several times but "world common" didn´t never notice it, it was only as "right to defence themselves" but any rockets over border from Gaza was violence against truce. This cease fire is just similar case.

Yes, this is what we can expect from those zionists and they promises.
 
Weight given to Hamas rockets and Gaza massacre by the Western mainstream media:

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[h=2]Israel may strike at ship allegedly carrying Iranian rockets to Gaza – report[/h]Israel has reportedly vowed to destroy rockets and other weapons being sent to Gaza by Iran. Tel Aviv issued this threat despite a recent ceasefire following eight days of bitter conflict between Gaza and Israel.
Israeli spy satellites spotted a cargo vessel in the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas that was allegedly Gaza-bound and carrying arms, the Sunday Times reported.
“Regardless of the ceasefire agreement, we will attack and destroy any shipment of arms to Gaza once we have spotted it,” an Israeli defense official told the newspaper.
The vessel reportedly began its voyage last week just as Israel and Hamas agreed to a ceasefire ending eight days of violence in Gaza, in which over 150 Palestinians died. The cargo is believed to include Fajr-5 rockets, similar to those used by Hamas in the conflict, and Shahab-3 ballistic missiles.
The ship is set to travel through the Red Sea, Sudan and Egypt, according to the Sunday Times report. Later, the weapons will be transported across the desert, disassembled and then smuggled through Sinai tunnels into Gaza. There, the arms will be reassembled by Hamas forces.
The Sunday Times’ report comes a day after the Hamas leadership announced they aren’t ready to stop arming themselves, despite the recently-agreed truce and ceasefire.
"We have no choice but to continue to bring in weapons by all possible means," senior Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar told reporters, adding that he expected Tehran would "increase its military and financial support to Hamas."
Earlier on Wednesday, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal thanked Shia-majority Iran for what he described as arms and funding.
On Saturday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad expressed support for Gaza in the bloody conflict, praising what he called Palestinian "resistance and perseverance" against Israel, which he said must now "bow" to Palestinian rights, IRNA news agency reported.
The eight-day Israeli assault on Gaza killed 168 Palestinians, mostly civilians. It also led to $300 million in economic damage, a Palestinian Chamber of Commerce report said.

http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-weapons-ship-528/
 
BREAKING NEWS: TRUCE VIOLATION Israeli armed forces shoot and wound Palestinian in S Gaza
 
Three Injured By Israeli Fire In Khan Younis

Sunday November 25, 2012 17:37 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies


Palestinian medical sources reported that three Palestinians have been injured, on Sunday evening, after Israeli soldiers, stationed across the border, opened fire at them in Al-Faraheen area, east of Khan Younis, in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

The sources added that the army opened fire at several Palestinian farmers working in their land an issue that led to three injuries, and forced the farmers to leave their lands.

Israeli soldiers killed, two days ago, one Palestinian and wounded more than 19 others near the border in Khan Younis.

Furthermore, medical sources reported Friday that two Palestinians died of serious injuries suffered during the latest Israeli war on Gaza that led to the death of more than 167 Palestinians, most of them children, women, youth and elderly, including several members of the same family. More than 1,225 residents have been injured, dozens seriously.

The latest attacks are direct violations of the truce that was mediated by Egypt between Israel and the Palestinian resistance in Gaza.

The truce deal also included opening border terminal and increasing the fishing area allotted to the Palestinians in Gaza to 6 nautical miles instead of three.

This is happening despite the fact, under the Oslo accords, the Palestinians should be allowed to fish in 20 nautical miles but in 2008, Israeli unilaterally reduced the fishing area to 3 nautical miles.

http://www.imemc.org/article/64632
 

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