Gay Mosque To Open In Paris

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'Abd-al Latif said:
Is it better – or even ok – for gay Christians, who undoubtly exist, to do the same in their churches? I thought Christianity forbade homosexuality in all its forms? Well Islam is no different and I nor my religion see any reason for a compromise.
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Well, we have a number of gay people attending our church. If I listen to them, they don't always feel made welcome by everybody, but on the whole I think as a congregation we are welcoming.

Do we (Muslims and Christians) not invite 'sinners' into our places of worship? If I look around our congregation on a Sunday morning, I don't expect that there is ANYBODY who is perfect or has not messed up in some way or another (and that includes the clergy!)
That's the reason why we begin each service with a confessional prayer, in which we declare to each other and to God that we have "sinned against God and each other in word, thought or deed".

If I have had uncharitable thoughts, have gossiped about others, have lied and been dishonest in other ways, but just so happen to be heterosexual - can I really claim to be better than homosexual friends?

A couple of my gay Christians friends are more godly and caring and theologically sound than I will ever be!

I'd rather not dare judge them, and let God be the judge of all instead. :)
 
glo said:
Do we (Muslims --------) not invite 'sinners'
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We Muslims don't showcase our sins nor should we be proud of them. People who go in to repent don't usually make their sexual escapades known. They certainly don't erect architecture and label it after said sin.
I really wish you'd quit being a voice for the devil.. at least if you're going to do so, then leave Islam out of it!

best,
 
glo said:

Well, we have a number of gay people attending our church. If I listen to them, they don't always feel made welcome by everybody, but on the whole I think as a congregation we are welcoming.

Do we (Muslims and Christians) not invite 'sinners' into our places of worship? If I look around our congregation on a Sunday morning, I don't expect that there is ANYBODY who is perfect or has not messed up in some way or another (and that includes the clergy!)
That's the reason why we begin each service with a confessional prayer, in which we declare to each other and to God that we have "sinned against God and each other in word, thought or deed".

If I have had uncharitable thoughts, have gossiped about others, have lied and been dishonest in other ways, but just so happen to be heterosexual - can I really claim to be better than homosexual friends?

A couple of my gay Christians friends are more godly and caring and theologically sound than I will ever be!

I'd rather not dare judge them, and let God be the judge of all instead. :)
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What a definition of godliness! Hitler was doing God's work too and so were clergy when molesting young boys.

How can a faggot be a "godly" person, just cuz they can cite more verses? How can a murderer be a godly person? That is what you are implying here.

When we sin, we dont boast about it or not feel good about continuing to indulge in it. How dare you compare our sinfulness with faggotry?
 
شَادِنُ;1555550 said:
We Muslims don't showcase our sins nor should we be proud of them.
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I am not talking about showcasing your sin.

I am talking about allowing sinners into our places of worship.
Do you have to be perfect and free of any fault and sin before you are allowed into your local masjid?

Are our churches and mosques not places where sinners can come, pray, ask God for forgiveness and leave in the hope and desire to do better?
Is it for us to say who is and isn't worthy to enter and seek God?
Should we dare claim that we can make such a judgment of God's behalf?

شَادِنُ;1555550 said:
I really wish you'd quit being a voice for the devil.. at least if you're going to do so, then leave Islam out of it!
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I've never been called that before. LOL ;D
 
glo said:
I am not talking about showcasing your sin.

I am talking about allowing sinners into our places of worship.
Do you have to be perfect and free of any fault and sin before you are allowed into your local masjid?

Are our churches and mosques not places where sinners can come, pray, ask God for forgiveness and leave in the hope and desire to do better?
Is it for us to say who is and isn't worthy to enter and seek God?
Should we dare claim that we can make such a judgment of God's behalf?
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And I have already answered that for you. How would any of us know the sin of another unless they were advertising it? erecting structures so named after it!
glo said:
I've never been called that before. LOL
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Really? that's we get in this brave new world.. political correctness and walking over egg shells to sugar coat vice and fear and complete withdrawal from a word of truth!
 
CosmicPathos said:
How dare you compare our sinfulness with faggotry?
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I dare do exactly that!

If we think we are any better, just based on our sexual orientation, then we can add PRIDE and HAUGHTINESS to our already existing list of sins.

Must go and cook dinner now. I expect by the time I come back this thread will be so long, that it won't be worth picking up the pieces. :D

Goodwill and God's peace to all humanity. :)
 
glo said:
Is it better for gay Muslims (who undoubtedly exist) to have a place where they can worship and pray freely (if - as the article suggests - they don't always feel welcome in other masjids)?
Or should they not worship/pray to Allah at all?
Does Allah listen to their prayers and shows his mercy to them too?

Do any of you know (openly) gay/lesbian Muslims who attend your mosque? (I say 'openly', because there may be some which simply don't make their sexual orientation known). If so, how do feel about them? Are they welcomed into mosque?
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I know what you mean... but this Masjid allows gay marriages... and Zahed encourages people to be gay, as the Qur'an supposedly doesn't say anything against it--according to the article's words, not mine.

So this mosque is not all about having a place for those who are rejected at other mosques. He is leading people away from Islam--manipulating it.

He is not as innocent as he sounds.
 
Salam alaykum

I haven´t found from opinions of Glo "a voice for the devil" but more as "a voice of tolerance".

But better stop from me this endless "discussion" for this. Any ways, Allah knows the best and only He can see to our hearts - not other people.

Salam to all.
 
Tyrion said:
The problem with a lot of these "gay mosques" is that they seem to promote the idea that being involved in homosexual activity is accepted in Islam and isn't crossing any boundaries. I'm not sure if they explicitly do this though, since I'm not too familiar with any of them or any gay Muslims. I think it's prudent to also see this as sort of a failure on our part, since we (the religious majority) have vilified the idea of homosexuality so much that people who consider themselves gay feel completely isolated and unwelcome.
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I agree :thumbs_up:thumbs_up
 
Independent said:
A fair point from a very good post. It does give that impression.

Being homosexual, and a Muslim, is a tough option.
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Its not an option...

However if you are a "recovering gay" and want to be a faithful Muslim and turn your back on this evil and seek help, then you are a true Muslim.

Unless, of course, you want to make up your own sect...
 
Insaanah said:
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What is going on here, is an attempt to change Islam.

The founder of the mosque himself, is "married" to a gay Muslim man, and will perform same sex "nikah" (when marriage in Islam is between a man and woman only):







And did anyone read this utter obscenity about our beloved Prophet :saws: in the link given by the OP?



and their next step, in his own words, is to have mixed congregations where men and women pray next to each other, and then no doubt after that, will be a female imam:





We are missing the bigger picture, and main point here, and instead are getting drawn into a debate about homosexuality.

This isn't about being inclusive or not, nor is it even actually about homosexuality, but in the wider picture, an overt attempt to change Islam according to ones whims and desires, and then still claim to be Muslim and still claim to be unwelcome and to be victimised.

That is the bottom line, and there isn't much else to say than may Allah guide them.

I really hope that in the light of the obscenity (in red) said about our beloved Prophet :saws:, out of respect for our nabi and beloved prophet :saws: that we let this thread die a lonely death right now.

Some quotes from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20547335
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Thank you so much, for summing everything up.

I certaintly agree with you on "an overt attempt to change Islam according to ones whims and desires, and then still claim to be Muslim and still claim to be unwelcome and to be victimised."

If you are a Muslim, you can't claim that you are unwelcome and victimised.

Accept Islam as a whole
 
glo said:
Is it better for gay Muslims (who undoubtedly exist) to have a place where they can worship and pray freely (if - as the article suggests - they don't always feel welcome in other masjids)?
Or should they not worship/pray to Allah at all?
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glo, I understand there are homosexuals in your church and that you most likely have a fondness for them despite their openness about their sexual orientation. Given the Biblical and Quranic stories about the people of Lot's city, I think we can agree homosexuality is a most grievous sin. If a person is a homosexual and he denies that it is sinful behavior, I don't believe he should expect to be accepted with open arms by those who believe it is an abomination and despicable behavior. If a Muslim is a homosexual, an adulterer, given to watch pornography, a thief, an alcoholic etc. and he wants to pray in a masjid, then fine let him come, but he shouldn't come unrepentantly and openly flaunting his sin and expect other Muslims to follow him as imam or even to pray along beside him.
Do any of you know (openly) gay/lesbian Muslims who attend your mosque? (I say 'openly', because there may be some which simply don't make their sexual orientation known). If so, how do feel about them? Are they welcomed into mosque?
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I do not know any homosexual Muslims and if any of the Muslims I know are homosexual, then they keep it to themselves. I also do not know any who watch pornography, drink alcohol, or are fornicators/adulterers. The first prayer that a homosexual should pray is for forgiveness which is open to all upon repentance, even to those who commit shirk.
 
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glo said:
Is it better for gay Muslims (who undoubtedly exist) to have a place where they can worship and pray freely (if - as the article suggests - they don't always feel welcome in other masjids)?
Or should they not worship/pray to Allah at all?
Does Allah listen to their prayers and shows his mercy to them too?

Do any of you know (openly) gay/lesbian Muslims who attend your mosque? (I say 'openly', because there may be some which simply don't make their sexual orientation known). If so, how do feel about them? Are they welcomed into mosque?
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Please tell me if there is a mosque that does not allow gays to perform ibada (pray, read qur'an, etc)?

Glo, I sometimes wonder what your intention is.
 
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