Boston bombings

[~Zaria~]

^ Can an interview get any more hateful and islamophobic than this? imsad

 

[CosmicPathos]

^^ "did she get a clitorectomy too?" from the interview.

lmao. Ann is clearly jealous. haha

 

[CosmicPathos]

the actual model of Islamic governance as implemented via the Caliphate system, a system where daily life for women consisted of full political role, contribution to education, economic security and a secure family unit and where women were valued and viewed as an honour to be protected and treated with respect.

That is partially true. Women barely had any role in the caliphate of Khulafa e rashidun. As far as I know, no woman was governor of any city in the vast empire of Umar ra.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

That is partially true. Women barely had any role in the caliphate of Khulafa e rashidun. As far as I know, no woman was governor of any city in the vast empire of Umar ra.

True but that is because a woman can't be a leader or ruler, this is a fact and shouldnt be ignored, however u are turning into a anti-woman type person instead of into a anti-feminist type person. I am against the feminist movements because they go against the roles women have been given by islam and by following the sunnah.

Women certainly had roles in the muslim ummah, how could it work if they didnt had? They also had jobs but different, no manly jobs and infact we had many sisters who were very well learned in the deen and sisters who were scientists.

 

[Urban Turban]

Ann Coulter has a problem with Sister Katherine and views her with disdain for reverting to Islam and marrying Tamerlane even after what he did to her (a case of domestic violence which happens everywhere).

What would Ann Coulter say about Rihanna who is back with Chris Brown again even after he battered her ? (the pics are on the net).

LOL.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ann Coulter has a problem with Sister Katherine and views her with disdain for reverting to Islam and marrying Tamerlane even after what he did to her (a case of domestic violence which happens everywhere).

What would Ann Coulter say about Rihanna who is back with Chris Brown again even after he battered her ? (the pics are on the net).

LOL.

Hahaha good one.
You know those islamophobes are a failure, even many americans themselves dont rally behind them.

 

[Urban Turban]

Hahaha good one.
You know those islamophobes are a failure, even many americans themselves dont rally behind them.

I don't give a **** anymore trying to prove the Independent's and the like (although I greatly appreciate sis islamica and shaadin and others for the work) about our innocence, the kuffar have been at such things to malign us since thousands of years, remember the story of Prophet Musaa (Moses) (peace be upon him) and how the then proud king kharoon accused Him of committing adultery to belittle the great Prophet (pbuh) in front of his people.

That's what the kuffar of today are doing to the Muslims - nothing new - just old apple juice in a new bottle.

I'm more worried about our sister in Islam, Katherine, she needs our support.

I request everyone to make exclusive duas for her and the likes of her across the world. (Its the least we can do, perhaps sadaqah as well)

Leave the kuffar to their devices.

Their lies will undo them sooner than later.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I don't give a **** anymore trying to prove the Independent's and the like (although I greatly appreciate sis islamica and shaadin and others for the work) about our innocence, the kuffar have been at such things to malign us since thousands of years, remember the story of Prophet Musaa (Moses) (peace be upon him) and how the then proud king kharoon accused Him of committing adultery to belittle the great Prophet (pbuh) in front of his people.

That's what the kuffar of today are doing to the Muslims - nothing new - just old apple juice in a new bottle.

I'm more worried about our sister in Islam, Katherine, she needs our support.

I request everyone to make exclusive duas for her and the likes of her across the world. (Its the least we can do, perhaps sadaqah as well)

Leave the kuffar to their devices.

Their lies will undo them sooner than later.

Ah independent, well by following a pattern you will know exactly who this guy really is.
What you said is true, however our muslim ummah needs a major fix as well, we aren't respectfull to each other, we should respect each other first if we want to be respected however the kufar will always be displeased with us no matter what. But by helping each other and our communities we might give the ordinary people here other ideas than what they are fed by the media.

 

[Independent]

I don't give a **** anymore trying to prove the Independent's and the like (although I greatly appreciate sis islamica and shaadin and others for the work) about our innocence,

Let me get this straight.

You believe that because I think the Boston bombing was indeed committed by Tamerlan and Dzhokar on the basis of the evidence so far - you think that holding this view is itself Islamophobic?

 

[Urban Turban]

Ah independent, well by following a pattern you will know exactly who this guy really is.
What you said is true, however our muslim ummah needs a major fix as well, we aren't respectfull to each other, we should respect each other first if we want to be respected however the kufar will always be displeased with us no matter what. But by helping each other and our communities we might give the ordinary people here other ideas than what they are fed by the media.

(Ref your sig) InshaAllah I'll try to put my cheek on the ground to everyone who professes 'There is no God but God and Muhammed is his messenger' (peace be upon him) and absolutely loves all the Sahabah (ra) ;-)

 

[islamica]

Silence is not an option, not when your silence will bring more harm than good. When you have intolerant, anti-islam bigots ranting all kind of trash then it becomes your duty to stand up against such filth. If this wh.ore wants to imprison every muslimah for wearing hijab, then that concerns me and every muslimah, not just in the US but outside as well since we know the dogs of usa will follower it's lead in other nations too. The daily show video i posted earlier shows all these political islamophobe pundits throwing their own bill of rights out the window when it comes to Muslims.

 

[Urban Turban]

Let me get this straight.

You believe that because I think the Boston bombing was indeed committed by Tamerlan and Dzhokar on the basis of the evidence so far - you think that holding this view is itself Islamophobic?

How's the weather bro?

 

[Independent]

How's the weather bro?

Sunny, a glorious day.

 

[Urban Turban]

Sunny, a glorious day.

Nice, Alhamdulillah.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

(Ref your sig) InshaAllah I'll try to put my cheek on the ground to everyone who professes 'There is no God but God and Muhammed is his messenger' (peace be upon him) and absolutely loves all the Sahabah (ra) ;-)

To every poor, weak and oppressed person

Silence is not an option, not when your silence will bring more harm than good. When you have intolerant, anti-islam bigots ranting all kind of trash then it becomes your duty to stand up against such filth. If this ***** wants to imprison every muslimah for wearing hijab, then that concerns me and every muslimah, not just in the US but outside as well since we know the dogs of usa will follower it's lead in other nations too.

We know, but this is nothing new since 1400 years ago. We are living in a western society, unbelieving society made up by people who only follow their desires or nafs. A society which goes against every aspect of islam. What we should try is to be peacefull with our communities, this is a form of dawah and highly effective so. And the first and foremost: Be respectful between ourselves. How much have we seen muslims fighting each other, quarrel with each other about little, stupid things? Even to the way we psychically fight each other and disrespect each other.

Every muslim in the west should try to do good with muslim and non-muslim.

 

[islamica]

We know, but this is nothing new since 1400 years ago. We are living in a western society, unbelieving society made up by people who only follow their desires or nafs. A society which goes against every aspect of islam. What we should try is to be peacefull with our communities, this is a form of dawah and highly effective so. And the first and foremost: Be respectful between ourselves. How much have we seen muslims fighting each other, quarrel with each other about little, stupid things? Even to the way we psychically fight each other and disrespect each other.

I agree that ummah needs work and the fundamental thing majority lack is proper islamic education. however, in the context of current topic, I'm talking about taking a stand vs having laws passed (like in france) to imprison you just for having a hijab on. Even Allah commands to enjoin good and forbid evil and the Prophet (s) said to stop evil with your hand, if you can't then your mouth, if you can't then at least detest it in your heart and that being the lowest of faith.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
Elie Wiesel

 

[islamica]

Why is Boston 'terrorism' but not Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson and Columbine?

Can an act of violence be called 'terrorism' if the motive is unknown?

Two very disparate commentators, Ali Abunimah and Alan Dershowitz, both raised serious questions over the weekend about a claim that has been made over and over about the bombing of the Boston Marathon: namely, that this was an act of terrorism. Dershowitz was on BBC Radio on Saturday and, citing the lack of knowledge about motive, said (at the 3:15 mark): "It's not even clear under the federal terrorist statutes that it qualifies as an act of terrorism."

Abunimah wrote a superb analysis of whether the bombing fits the US government's definition of "terrorism", noting that "absolutely no evidence has emerged that the Boston bombing suspects acted 'in furtherance of political or social objectives'" or that their alleged act was 'intended to influence or instigate a course of action that furthers a political or social goal.'" Even a former CIA Deputy Director, Phillip Mudd, said on Fox News on Sunday that at this point the bombing seems more like a common crime than an act of terrorism.

Over the last two years, the US has witnessed at least three other episodes of mass, indiscriminate violence that killed more people than the Boston bombings did: the Tucson shooting by Jared Loughner in which 19 people (including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords) were shot, six of whom died; the Aurora movie theater shooting by James Holmes in which 70 people were shot, 12 of whom died; and the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting by Adam Lanza in which 26 people (20 of whom were children) were shot and killed. The word "terrorism" was almost never used to describe that indiscriminate slaughter of innocent people, and none of the perpetrators of those attacks was charged with terrorism-related crimes. A decade earlier, two high school seniors in Colorado, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, used guns and bombs to murder 12 students and a teacher, and almost nobody called that "terrorism" either.

In the Boston case, however, exactly the opposite dynamic prevails. Particularly since the identity of the suspects was revealed, the word "terrorism" is being used by virtually everyone to describe what happened. After initially (and commendably) refraining from using the word, President Obama has since said that "we will investigate any associations that these terrorists may have had" and then said that "on Monday an act of terror wounded dozens and killed three people at the Boston Marathon". But as Abunimah notes, there is zero evidence that either of the two suspects had any connection to or involvement with any designated terrorist organization.

More significantly, there is no known evidence, at least not publicly available, about their alleged motives. Indeed, Obama himself - in the statement he made to the nation after Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was captured on Friday night - said that "tonight there are still many unanswered questions" and included this "among" those "unanswered questions":

"Why did young men who grew up and studied here, as part of our communities and our country, resort to such violence?"

The overarching principle here should be that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is entitled to a presumption of innocence until he is actually proven guilty. As so many cases have proven - from accused (but exonerated) anthrax attacker Stephen Hatfill to accused (but exonerated) Atlanta Olympic bomber Richard Jewell to dozens if not hundreds of Guantanamo detainees accused of being the "worst of the worst" but who were guilty of nothing - people who appear to be guilty based on government accusations and trials-by-media are often completely innocent. Media-presented evidence is no substitute for due process and an adversarial trial.

But beyond that issue, even those assuming the guilt of the Tsarnaev brothers seem to have no basis at all for claiming that this was an act of "terrorism" in a way that would meaningfully distinguish it from Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson and Columbine. All we really know about them in this regard is that they identified as Muslim, and that the older brother allegedly watched extremist YouTube videos and was suspected by the Russian government of religious extremism (by contrast, virtually every person who knew the younger brother has emphatically said that he never evinced political or religious extremism). But as Obama himself acknowledged, we simply do not know what motivated them (Obama: "Tonight there are still many unanswered questions. Among them, why did young men who grew up and studied here, as part of our communities and our country, resort to such violence?").

It's certainly possible that it will turn out that, if they are guilty, their prime motive was political or religious. But it's also certainly possible that it wasn't: that it was some combination of mental illness, societal alienation, or other form of internal instability and rage that is apolitical in nature. Until their motive is known, how can this possibly be called "terrorism"? Can acts of violence be deemed "terrorism" without knowing the motive?

This is far more than a semantic question. Whether something is or is not "terrorism" has very substantial political implications, and very significant legal consequences as well. The word "terrorism" is, at this point, one of the most potent in our political lexicon: it single-handedly ends debates, ratchets up fear levels, and justifies almost anything the government wants to do in its name. It's hard not to suspect that the only thing distinguishing the Boston attack from Tucson, Aurora, Sandy Hook and Columbine (to say nothing of the US "shock and awe" attack on Baghdad and the mass killings in Fallujah) is that the accused Boston attackers are Muslim and the other perpetrators are not. As usual, what terrorism really means in American discourse - its operational meaning - is: violence by Muslims against Americans and their allies. For the manipulative use of the word "terrorism", see the scholarship of NYU's Remi Brulin and the second-to-last section here.

I was on Democracy Now this morning discussing many of these issues, as well as the legal and civil libertarian concerns raised by this case, and that segment can be viewed here (a transcript will be posted here later today):

[video]http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/22/glenn_greenwald_on_boston_marathon_arrest[/video]


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/22/boston-marathon-terrorism-aurora-sandy-hook

 

[IAmZamzam]

There is no God but God and Muhammad is his messenger (on whom be peace). I'm no expert on the biographies of all the individual sahabah but as far as I can tell they're all okay with me.

With that said, Urban Turban, please lay off Independent already and start arguing with disbelievers in the ways that are best as we are commanded to.

 

[جوري]

^ Can an interview get any more hateful and islamophobic than this? imsad

someone ought to break it to that she male that Jesus was a middle easterner with a towel on his head! Not sure how she'll take it- she's better suited for Odin or Thor!

 

[Vito]

This about sums up how I feel about the whole thing:

I might be many things but, sheep isn't one of them