No, I’m not telling you that. GOD knows everything that happened, is happening and ever will happen. He is the all-knowing GOD.
Ok, we agree on this.
One more time: You honestly believe in your heart that the loving GOD of this universe wants to see children abused; women raped; people murdered?
I felt like I answered this many times so I went over what I had said and maybe I’m not explaining this very well. I will try again, but will ask if there is another bro or sis who can do better, please feel free. I really do want you to understand this.
I told you about the path we all start on at the time of birth. The beginning (birth) and end (death) is already determined. Nothing will change that. Regardless of the choices we make the end result will not change. As I explained. the forks on the path represents our free will, our choices, decisions, our tests, etc., that will be used to judge us. Allah, swt, does not will us to do evil, He gives us free will to make choices. He provided the laws, we know what is Halal (permitted) and what is Haram (forbidden). We are free to obey or not obey. If I ask Allah, swt, to help me not to do something, He will guide me, but if I decide to do it, knowing it’s wrong, He won’t prevent me.
The food we eat, the wealth we obtain, the children we have, our health, etc. This is all accomplished, or not, through the will of Allah, swt. He has given us freedom to make decisions, (via the forks in our path), be they good, bad or indifferent. Otherwise, there would be no point in decreeing what is Halal, what is Haram or creating Paradise and Hell.
Does He know the bad things that will happen, yes. Why does He allow bad things to happen to innocent people? Allah, swt, is all knowing, I am not. I can’t tell you that because I don’t have the knowledge or wisdom He has. You can’t attach human attributes to God and question His motives or purpose. We can never know that. In Islam, we submit ourselves totally to Him and accept that no matter what happens, it is part of a greater plan. The other thing that Muslims realize, is that this life here is only short and temporary. So, no matter how bad things may be for us here, it’s short-lived. It’s the life of eternity that we strive for knowing how wonderful it is, no sadness, no death, no poverty, no pain, etc. This limited knowledge of Jannah is nothing compared to the reality of it. We could never comprehend exactly how euphoric Jannah is, just as we can never comprehend the complete greatness in Allah, swt. We are limited in that capacity. Because of these limitations, we as simple humans, make the mistake of associating human attributes to the creator. You can’t do that, ever.
I hope this explains the Islamic stance on this. Really, I don’t know how else to explain it to you.
You say an empty GOD is no GOD at all. Again, let me say this: a humble servant attitude to the least deserving person is a reflection of real strength, honor, and nobility. GOD demonstrated this to the max.
Ummmmm, I think you have that backwards, POBook. I am a slave and servant….to Allah, swt. He is not my servant or slave. Astagfurillah. I do not submit to, worship or fear my family, friends, enemies, etc. I fear only Allah, swt. Allah, swt, has more strength, honour and nobility, etc. than you could ever hope to imagine. He has already demonstrated that through all He has created, through all His revelations and prophets, etc. And, as He said would happen, even after all this, you still refuse to believe.
Who are these respected Christian scholars? I would like to know who they are so I can read their commentaries?
Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, Dr. Frederic Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, p. 3
In the latter part of the second century, Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth says: "As the brethren desired me to write epistles(letters), I did so, and these the apostles of the devil have filled with tares (changes), exchanging some things and adding others, for whom there is a woe reserved. It is not therefore, a matter of wonder if some have also attempted to adulterate the sacred writings of the Lord, since they have attempted the same in other works that are not to be compared with these."
Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964
The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, Bart Ehrman, pp. 3-4
Knox, New Testament Commentary, Introduction, 1955, pg. xiii
"The Apostolic origin of the book, however, is contested by a large body of modern scholars whose position vary from a complete rejection of both its authenticity and its historicity to the admission of Apostolic inspiration and a certain historical value. The unity of the book has been disputed esp. by German scholars, e.g. J. Wellhausen, R. Bultmann. Where its unity is admitted, its attribution to John the Presbyter is favored." [The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, John The Apostle, 1974, pg. 743]
Rev. Professor David Jenkins, the fourth highest-ranking Bishop in the Church of England and the Bishop of Durham had the following admission to make:
"[some of the events in the early mission of Jesus] were not strictly true but were added to the story of Jesus by the early Christians to express their faith in him as a Messiah." [London Daily Mail, page 12, 15/July/1984]
"The Five Gospels," is a 550 page book containing translations of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It was the result of a six year study by 24 Christian scholars from a number of Western universities. They decided to produce a translation of the Gospels which would be uncolored by the translator's personal faith. Their conclusion (page 5) was:
"Eighty-two percent of the words ascribed to Jesus in the gospels were not actually spoken by him."
"The text about the three heavenly witnesses (I John 5:7 KJV) is not an authentic part of the NT." [The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 4, p.711, Abingdon Press.]
"1 John 5:7 in the KJV reads: 'There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one' but this is an interpolation of which there is no trace before the late fourth century." [The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 4, p. 871, Abingdon Press.]
"1 John 5:7 in the Textus Receptus (represented in the KJV) makes it appear that John had arrived at the doctrine of the trinity in explicit form ('the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost'), but this text is clearly an interpolation since no genuine Greek manuscript contains it." [The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, Edited by Allen C. Myers, p. 1020]
"The Dictionary of the Bible," bears the Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur, and Imprimi Potest (official Church seals of approval).
Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 4, p. 266-67
Ok, I have included numerous scholars for you and there are far more, and I’m sure if you researched yourself, which you should, you will see that for yourself.
Yes, I agree with you on this. However, what about GOD’s justice? You believe he punishes, don’t you? Why punish?
I think we have been over this many times already. Of course I believe He punishes and we are warned of punishment for disobeying the commands of Allah, swt. Again, just ask yourself why He told us what is allowed and what is forbidden. Ask yourself why He created a Heaven and Hell. YES, YES, YES, you will be held accountable for your sins. Each one of us responsible for what we do. We were given laws for a reason…..you think He was just bored one day and threw the laws into the holy books….then announced, hehe, just kidding, don’t pay no mind to that. THINK!!! No free passes to Paradise! Strive for it. Free passes to Hell though….just disobey God and live your life as if He doesn’t exist. Achieving Hell is easy for those that want it.
We are at His disposal for Him to do with us as He pleases.
Exactly!!!!!!!!
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He would have left us to pay the price for our sin (His justice). He would have had no mercy on us.
He doesn’t leave us….not ever. When we turn to Him in worship and week seek His guidance, he is always there. That is the enormity of His mercy. We don’t have to be perfect to turn to Him. We will be responsible for our sins, sure we will. But, His mercy far out-weighs his anger.
They feel they must pay back the person they offended; they must be good people for GOD. Do you know—and again, please think about this—GOD has forgive you and I for every sin we ever committed; every sin we commit, and every sin we may commit in the future. He has forgiven us, forgiven us, forgiven us!
You don’t think you owe something to God when you sin? You just take his mercy for granted and assume you will be forgiven? Where is the submission to your creator in that logic? If He has already forgiven us there is no incentive to worship Him, no incentive to strive to be better, no incentive to follow His laws. You seem to think God created us so He could worship us. He owes us NOTHING, we owe Him EVERYTHING. That includes turning to Him in complete submission asking for forgiveness and mercy.
Satan means deceiver and liar. Satan is a liar and a deceiver. He will do what He can to get us to commit evil.
Yes!!! Again we agree on something. However, in your case, there are no consequences to you accepting what he suggests. So, you can commit evil….who cares….you don’t answer for anything, right?
If I can use this example: Do people give birth to criminals or innocent children? Do some innocent children grow up to be criminals? Are criminals made criminals or is that a choice to make? In this sense, GOD did not create Satan. Satan chose to become a criminal.
So, if God didn’t create Satan, you’re saying he’s always been around for as long as God, which, by logic, would mean he carries the same powers as God. I will ask you again….WHO created satan? Where did he come from?
No, satan did not outsmart GOD
Well, using your logic, yes he did. You said God didn’t create him and yet God is the creator of all things. If God is the creator of all things, He knows very well what He created in Satan. If Satan shocked God by turning out bad….then yes, you’re saying he tricked or out-smarted God.
Does GOD plan my life or do I plan my life? What gives me the ability to plan on my own, if GOD is the one who plans?
I think I covered that at the beginning of this post.
My point here was not differing or same DNA patterns, but rather just how we have DNA as people on the earth, so Jesus had DNA as a person on this earth.
Ok, whose dna did He share….that was my question.
First, Jesus did not become a man. GOD became a man…he became the man Jesus. Think carefully about this again. H20 is manifested as solid (ice), liquid (water), and gas (steam).
According to you God is Jesus, God as Jesus became a man. I don’t care by which name you call Him, the fact remains, He did not appear in the upper room after this “resurrection” as a spirit. I know I mentioned the water/ice/steam analogy before and brother Ansar Al-'Adl has covered this in great detail. You can talk about the chemical breakdown to your heart’s content, but we all know steam evaporates…..you can’t put that back in the jar with your melted ice and water. Even Christian missionaries abroad have stopped using that analogy.
The final outcome of this logic is that you can be the holiest person in the world, but in the end, it’s not going to matter one bit. What matters is GOD’s will and what He has planned. He may have planned and willed the most righteous people to go to hell or the most evil people to go to Heaven. This is the logic of what you are saying.
Nope, that’s not what I said at all. I said you will be judged by the choices you make. As far as the righteous going to Hell and the evil entering Jannah, we know where evil people go because we are told in the Qur’an. Only Allah, swt, knows the heart of someone you call righteous. I said this before as well. You might see someone attending a mosque 5 times a day to pray, giving zakat, etc. But you don’t know his heart. You don’t know what else he does in his life. That’s why we can’t say to you, “You are definitely going to Hell, or this one will definitely enter Jannah…..we can’t possibly know what Allah, swt, knows.
Do you do everything GOD has commanded you to do, every day, all day and without any fault?
Of course not, I’ve never claimed divinity. There is only one that is perfect, that is Allah, swt. That is why we have the mercy and love of Allah, swt. He knows we are not perfect and we can turn to Him when we falter to ask for forgiveness and guidance.
Why have you quoted verses of Scripture from the gospels? Do you really believe they are true? Do you really believe that have any means of authority?
LOOOOL I quoted your own scripture to show you where what you believe and what it says differ. And, don’t pretend you don’t know that.
That’s great. I hope you don’t mind me asking, but are you married?
I am engaged. Inshallah, I will marry later this year.
Once again, please let me refer you to that statement of yours: “…all is by His will and all has been planned long before man was ever created.” Is it GOD’s will and has He planned for you to commit your sins? Is that not to say that He is the sinner and not you?
And, once again, let me refer you to the beginning of this post.
Can you describe to me how you combine GOD’s characteristics of Mercy and Justice?
Ummmm, I really don’t think you need me to explain mercy and justice. Quite sure you can do that on your own, so I’m not going into detail about that. lol First, I don’t claim to define the characteristics of God….couldn’t begin to do that…..I can only tell you some. Mercy He gives to those that ask for it and deserves it, not for those who don’t. And, don’t come back and ask me who deserves it. As I explained, that is something only known by Allah, swt. I cannot make that judgment.
How do you know these verses have not been corrupted and changed?
The question is: Do you know which ones have been corrupted and changed? They don’t mean anything to me. I have the Qur’an, remember.
But, by that statement, you seem to be questioning it yourself. If you are, you better start asking how many others have been changed. In all seriousness POBook, your salvation depends on it.
“First, Jesus did more than simply claim divinity. He acknowledged His divinity and pointed His divinity out to the Jews. John 8:58 says, “’I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘Before Abraham was born, I am.’”
I think I did cover this before, but even if I didn’t, brother Ansar Al-Adl covered it in complete detail in the previous post.
Uffff, you added another post before I could finish this one. Ok, see ya in a bit. loool
Peace,
Hana
