How NOT to be TOO emotional

[Halima]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Exactly! Thank you.

That is why I say, you can't ask for proofs from the Quran all the time. Does that mean that the Quran is incomplete? God forbid!

To substantiate whatever point we would like to present it is always credible to back it up with some evidence. Wether it be from the Quran wether it be from a newssource or even if it may be from an article. This will enable us to see if there statement is reall authentic or not. That is why if someone debates about something and he wants to make a point the first thing the dabatee will ask is where is your source? How will i know if it is authentic or not if you cannot present to me the proof?

Honestly, if I post, "Macintosh is the BEST computer", I'll be stumped if someone asks me, "where's your daleel from the Quran and Sunnah brozer?"

Yeah but this is just an opinon. It is not someone claiming it to be a 'fact' or a down right statement insisting that it is true. Someone opinionated does not have to prove their point.

How many people can quote the verses, of why we make wudhu' in such a way? [no, you can't cut and paste while walking down the streets, can you?]

There is no difference between the 'virtual' world and the real world. In the real world how many scholars do you have teaching other muslims by the quran? same thing here we have some sheikhs and scholars online and they all pick out a quote from the quran to prove their point. so I don't see the difference.

 

[Muezzin]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Yeah but this is just an opinon. It is not someone claiming it to be a 'fact' or a down right statement insisting that it is true. Someone opinionated does not have to prove their point.

There is no difference between the 'virtual' world and the real world. In the real world how many scholars do you have teaching other muslims by the quran? same thing here we have some sheikhs and scholars online and they all pick out a quote from the quran to prove their point. so I don't see the difference.

Ah, but isn't that just an opinion? An educated opinion, yes, but an opinion nontheless. There are differing schools of thought, which all stem from differences of opinion in interpreting the same sources.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not questioning the veracity of all scholars, or the Quran or Ahadith. I'm just being my usual cheeky self. And this is one of my only posts with absolutely no smileys. Amazing.

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

To substantiate whatever point we would like to present it is always credible to back it up with some evidence. Wether it be from the Quran wether it be from a newssource or even if it may be from an article. This will enable us to see if there statement is reall authentic or not. That is why if someone debates about something and he wants to make a point the first thing the dabatee will ask is where is your source? How will i know if it is authentic or not if you cannot present to me the proof?

Yeah but this is just an opinon. It is not someone claiming it to be a 'fact' or a down right statement insisting that it is true. Someone opinionated does not have to prove their point.


There is no difference between the 'virtual' world and the real world. In the real world how many scholars do you have teaching other muslims by the quran? same thing here we have some sheikhs and scholars online and they all pick out a quote from the quran to prove their point. so I don't see the difference.

And YOUR evidence for all the mumbo jumbo above...IS? [unless you're opinionated, by your definition, you don't have to provide us the evidence, and trust me, I can live with that.]

 

[Muezzin]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Semantics rock!

My source for this opinion - this thread.

 

[Halima]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Ah, but isn't that just an opinion? An educated opinion, yes, but an opinion nontheless. There are differing schools of thought, which all stem from differences of opinion in interpreting the same sources.

Ah that's confusing! Nevertheless different 'schools' of thought indeed, because everyone has different opinons on various types of matter but the initial point that I was trying to make is that an opinion wether it be good or bad is just an opinon. Such as this by no means have to be substantiated with evidence. Now if I were to claim something as a fact and I soley insist that it is indeed a fact I will be bombarded with the question where is your source? When you will substantiate your evidence as such?

DISCLAIMER: And this is one of my only posts with absolutely no smileys. Amazing.

because you are talking to a female.

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Well, I beg differ [hmm..that does sound nicer rather than, your opinion stinks big time!!!!!], there is a difference between this virtual world and the world we live in.

For regular people like me, I'm not going to ask a sister or my friend, who wears the hijaab, "where's the proof that Allah wants you to wear hijaab?". No, you can't go home and look it up. I want it right now. If you don't have any proof, don't even tell me hijaab is waajib.

While here, is someone asks, many of us would be so enthusiastic in looking for the correct ayaat to CUT and PASTE. It's so obvious that even the translated version of the verses sound so corny and not in normal usage. [well, no offence to the translators, but I actually wanted to write to them and tell them, brozer, use normal English please! Quran needs to be understood not a tool for English's verbosity].

Of course, that's my opinion. No proof needed. And I'm proud of it.

 

[Muezzin]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Ah that's confusing!

I love confusing people.

Nevertheless different 'schools' of thought indeed, because everyone has different opinons on various types of matter but the initial point that I was trying to make is that an opinion wether it be good or bad is just an opinon. Such as this by no means have to be substantiated with evidence. Now if I were to claim something as a fact and I soley insist that it is indeed a fact I will be bombarded with the question where is your source? When you will substantiate your evidence as such?

I see. Surely it could apply to certain fatwas though? I mean, for example, there are schools of thought which say as empirical FACT that 'TV is Haraam(TM)!', whereas other scholars are of the opinion that the television in and of itself is not haraam, but certain programmes on it are. Do you see where the lines of opinion and fact begin to blur?

because you are talking to a female.

My mother and sister are female, and I smile at them all the time. I know what you're saying.

 

[Halima]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

To substantiate whatever point we would like to present it is always credible to back it up with some evidence. Wether it be from the Quran wether it be from a newssource or even if it may be from an article

And YOUR evidence for all the mumbo jumbo above...IS? [unless you're opinionated, by your definition, you don't have to provide us the evidence, and trust me, I can live with that.]

My dear brother this is apart of the forum rules therefore it is not my educated opinon instead it is applied for everyone to do. Here in the forum (that is)


5. When quoting an article, story, poem, review or any written material, you must mention the author, if known to you, and the source from which you copied these materials.


Kaput...lol

 

[Halima]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

I see. Surely it could apply to certain fatwas though? I mean, for example, there are schools of thought which say as empirical FACT that 'TV is Haraam(TM)!', whereas other scholars are of the opinion that the television in and of itself is not haraam, but certain programmes on it are. Do you see where the lines of opinion and fact begin to blur?

Something as serious as this will more than likely be the only time when someone has to use evidence to back up their opinon. Otherwise it will become a controversial topic at the end. For instance, 2 scholars that argue about the same thing that have 2 different opinions are just two different opinons. They are not facts. No one has claimed it to be true therefore it is still an opinon. A scholar that that argues with another scholar over a serious topic in Islam would want to go back to the fatwa to prove his statement. I would say that it is how they interpret the fatwa. Some of them can interpret it in different ways and claim it to be a statement.

My mother and sister are female, and I smile at them all the time. I know what you're saying.

Tell me how should I take this? Sarcasim or literal?

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

My dear brother this is apart of the forum rules therefore it is not my educated opinon instead it is applied for everyone to do. Here in the forum (that is)


5. When quoting an article, story, poem, review or any written material, you must mention the author, if known to you, and the source from which you copied these materials.

Rules for this forum is not absolute. They are human made. Don't tell me, that people actually look up to these rules more than Quran and Sunnah. I don't believe that. If I know Kadafi and Ansar, they'll be the first one to refute the notion that the forum rules are to be followed verbatim without any lineancy.

These rules are guidelines. For example, your mumbo jumbo were not exact words of the forum rules. And the mumbo jumbo went kaput as soon as you typed your first alphabet. You only "quoted" the rules after I declared that your opinion was a mumbo jumbo. Which in my flimsy opinion, should have been done earlier [I like to do some other members a favor, too]

If the administrator of this forum have some sense, they will re think and re evaluate their rules once in a while. Don't tell me that Load Islam forum rules are perfect. Come on.

 

[Far7an]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional



Wow, I love this thread. It's amusing!

If the administrator of this forum have some sense, they will re think and re evaluate their rules once in a while. Don't tell me that Load Islam forum rules are perfect. Come on.

You're right. In fact, we have made changes to the forum rules many times, and we may continue to do so.

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Something as serious as this will more than likely be the only time when someone has to use evidence to back up their opinon. Otherwise it will become a controversial topic at the end. For instance, 2 scholars that argue about the same thing that have 2 different opinions are just two different opinons. They are not facts. No one has claimed it to be true therefore it is still an opinon. A scholar that that argues with another scholar over a serious topic in Islam would want to go back to the fatwa to prove his statement. I would say that it is how they interpret the fatwa. Some of them can interpret it in different ways and claim it to be a statement.

Is this post your opinion or a valid progression of deliberating a fatwa known by the school of fiqh or is it an unwritten information that every muslim man or woman should know?

Scholars don't argue. They actually discuss the authencity of their ijtihad [if their fatwa is not found in absolutement from Quran and Sunnah, for example, the issue of cloning and in vitro fertilization] and they usually agree to disagree. That's why they're scholars. If they argue, they need to come and talk to me and I'm gonna knock some hard sense in their hard brains that obviously have been corrupted by their greed to have the final word on a fatwa.

Yes, this is a fact. Please go and buy [don't photocopy or download for free], the book entitled, The Etiquette of Seeking Knowledge by al Hidayah Publishing in Birmingham.

Zealots of school of fiqhs argue. Scholars don't.

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Wow, I love this thread. It's amusing!

You're right. In fact, we have made changes to the forum rules many times, and we may continue to do so.

Finally, I get to discuss things with very emotionally balanced people! Muezzin's great and Halima has been awesome.

Is this really happening to me? :?

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Next tip: You are who what write?

It's not our place to judge people on how they use their words and where and where they use it. That's one opinion.

Others would say, yes,we can judge them. For example if someone uses sarcasm a lot in his posts, that means he's a very sarcastic person. Is that really true?

It's very funny indeed. When I read the atrocius post and labels of mediocrity that have been put on me recently, my desire was so inclined to say that this sister really needs help. Look at her. She's babbling. She seemed so upset. Did I upset her? Why? What made me "appear" in front of her and tell her all the things that I wrote?

Another scenario, one member advised me but also subtely implied that I was a bully. I wonder, what made her say that? What made her think that I'm a bully?

In all came down to one conclusion. People come to forum not only to "learn". Most of them NEED attention and to fill their inadequacy, which is a very humanly thing to do. I don't deny it. I made some wonderful friends over at the Brother's section. If you do, then thank you. I concede your being different.

They expect everyone to be the same.Their virtual friends always suck up to them and agree with their posts and if their virtual friends disagree, the sentence of disagreement is usually very glazed, sugarcoated and sprinkled so that their feelings wouldn't be hurt.

Is it realistic to have that expectations? No.

When you post your ideas, you are taking risk. They'll be people who will just say their mind and will not babysit you.

Read the posts in comparative religion section, see how blunt and straightforward the posts are.

Truly, this "you are what you write" usually only applies to "bad" posts per se.

For example, will you be willing to bet your bottom dollar that a person whose user name sounds muslim to you and is quoting hadeeth and quran left and right, begins his post with smileys and salam and sounds so polished in his sentence; is actually a wonderful person outside?

Many of us would say YES. Some sensible people among us would say NO.

Why is it that sensibility is not applied to a assumedly demeaning post? Is that person really like that? or are you just going to be cool about it and move on, after all, you live in a real world where your sentence construction, the way you speak, your composure and your confidence may just land you on a good job or otherwise.

On another note, it might just take you to jannah or hell.

 

[Halima]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Rules for this forum is not absolute. They are human made. Don't tell me, that people actually look up to these rules more than Quran and Sunnah. I don't believe that. If I know Kadafi and Ansar, they'll be the first one to refute the notion that the forum rules are to be followed verbatim without any lineancy.

I am not talking about wether the rules are human made or not. Or wether more people look at that more than the sunnah or quran. No. If so who cares? The main reason why I had posted up the rule was to generate my point by saying that anyone that refutes against something must always back it up with some evidence. Either you have tried to beat around the bush or you have just missed the whole concept of my point. Instead you had looked at this from the outside. I was talking about the rule in-depth. On the contrary I do agree with you I would find it hard to find anyone to care more about the forum rules than the Quran or hadith itself. That I know is way too obvious.

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

I am not talking about wether the rules are human made or not. Or wether more people look at that more than the sunnah or quran. No. If so who cares? The main reason why I had posted up the rule was to generate my point by saying that anyone that refutes against something must always back it up with some evidence. Either you have tried to beat around the bush or you have just missed the whole concept of my point. Instead you had looked at this from the outside. I was talking about the rule in-depth. On the contrary I do agree with you I would find it hard to find anyone to care more about the forum rules than the Quran or hadith itself. That I know is way too obvious.

Thank you for your input and I appreciate your being very frank and not attack me but my post. I like that.

And my point is, sometimes, members cannot provide the proof and we can't dismiss their posts as failure to meet the burden of proof entirely.

If we can, we should help them.

There are ways other than using sugar glaze sentence to be nice.

Find the proof for that sister/brother to support his/her fatwa and say;

"bro/sis, i double checked that statement of yours, this is the proof for that".

Being nice doesn't mean that you use only seemingly pleasant sentence. We gotta think outside the box here, people. :statisfie

thanks

 

[*charisma*]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Assalamu Alaikum

I've broken this up to add in my opinions, if you dont mind inshallah.
This thread is hilarious indeed mashallah. Very psychological.

It's not our place to judge people on how they use their words and where and where they use it. That's one opinion.

Others would say, yes,we can judge them. For example if someone uses sarcasm a lot in his posts, that means he's a very sarcastic person. Is that really true?

sometimes is..sometimes isnt. It all depends on the reasons one comes on the forum for.

It's very funny indeed. When I read the atrocius post and labels of mediocrity that have been put on me recently, my desire was so inclined to say that this sister really needs help. Look at her. She's babbling. She seemed so upset. Did I upset her? Why? What made me "appear" in front of her and tell her all the things that I wrote?

Another scenario, one member advised me but also subtely implied that I was a bully. I wonder, what made her say that? What made her think that I'm a bully?

When someone is used to posts displayed a certain way to them, filled with smileys and what-nots for example, they probably will label you or judge you differently by the way you post. If someone posts straight forward, they might take you as mean or stuck-up, maybe even arrogant. All because <<this wasnt along with ur reply. Also this depends on which part of the forum.

In all came down to one conclusion. People come to forum not only to "learn". Most of them NEED attention and to fill their inadequacy, which is a very humanly thing to do. I don't deny it. I made some wonderful friends over at the Brother's section.

Not always necissarily, some do indeed come to learn, and by doing so it is easiest to find a person that will teach them so they create a bond with that person. Others do come for attention, to make friends, to prove something, allahu a'lem whatever it is they come..and others are there to just simply spread a word, knowledge if you will. All should come to agree though that basically we are all here to fulfil a part of our minds or hearts that may feel empty or idle.

They expect everyone to be the same.Their virtual friends always suck up to them and agree with their posts and if their virtual friends disagree, the sentence of disagreement is usually very glazed, sugarcoated and sprinkled so that feelings wouldn't be hurt.

loooool virtual friends, that sounds hilarious..sorry kinda does.
Yea it happens, these sugar-glazed replies. Only cuz ppl want to bring out an friendly environment. sad tho that there are ppl who are suck ups subhanallah

Is it realistic to have that expectations? No.

agreed.

When you post your ideas, you are taking risk. They'll be people who will just say their mind and will not babysit you.

A risk of what? getting your emotions hurt?

Read the posts in comparative religion section, see how blunt and straightforward the posts are.

That is the best section of the whole forum. Very intellectual.

Truly, this you are what you write only applies to "bad" posts per se.

I disagree. What exactly are you applying it to? Their personality? and what is it exactly that makes a post "bad"?

For example, will you be willing to bet your bottom dollar that a person whose user name sounds muslim to you and is quoting hadeeth and quran left and right, begins his post with smileys and salam and sounds so polished in his sentence; is actually a wonderful person outside?

Most of us, due to our naiveness, would say, YES!

People need to get out more..but also it doesnt mean their prejudgements are wrong. I think we all, if not most, of us act differently in real life than in the "virtual" world.


fi aman Allah
w'salaam

 

[Takumi]

Re: How NOT To Be Emotional

Assalamu Alaikum


When someone is used to posts displayed a certain way to them, filled with smileys and what-nots for example, they probably will label you or judge you differently by the way you post. If someone posts straight forward, they might take you as mean or stuck-up, maybe even arrogant. All because <<this wasnt along with ur reply. Also this depends on which part of the forum.


fi aman Allah
w'salaam

Exactly. All these labelling, presumptions, imagining that the person who's responding is actually "talking" to you with a certain intensity is, somewhat ridiculous. This is my opinion. Attack it if you want. Not me.

It's your unsettling psyche that influences you to assume that he's stuck up because you're not used to people actually speaking their mind. Well, too bad. Again, you need to babysit your emotions and give it the time out chair. No one here actually cares about how you PERCEIVE things. For all we know, you're just someone who doesn't have anything to do and responds to posts just because you feel like it. Your perception is YOUR problem/issue. You need to deal with it. But, don't go around having diarrhea all over the forum. It's messy to clean up.

Labels are the preambles to presumptions. If you label someone a sufi, you'll assume that he's committing bid'ah [trust me, I got that one too]. If you are labelled a revert, you're the gem of the forum. People love to hear your inspirational stories. Yeah, they were not there went you were outcast and had to leave your mom, dad and family behind. All they say, "we'll make dua". Hello? You're making dua, that's easy to say, but are you actually trying your best to make sure that your dua is accepted? Not when you're in front of your computer calling people idiots, morons and bully. Your dua is not needed, thank you. [you might want to make it for yourself]

So, after reading someone's posts, hold on to your labelling gun. Stop your imagining him/her in front of you uttering those perceivedly nasty words at you. Stop whining and live life. Right, fozley? I love fozley, too bad no one came to your defense when I said that to you, foz!

Thanks. :happy:

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Assuming and Accusations on this board

Salam Alaikam to all

Me and a few other brothers agree that there is some members of this board NOT THE WHOLE BOARD has this very very huge plague problem of accusing and assuming.

We all accuse others and assume what others mean for things we makeup and just make up words to put in that persons mouth. Please stop doing this brothers and sisters, it seems as if telling someone nicely wont cut it on this board and that we have to enforce this properly abit hard as well. Because too many people assume on this board and accuse others of saying things that has never been said. So i ask everyone on this board to give me your comments on whether this is a true fact or am i just the blind one? Accusing is very very bad because your putting an image on the person that isnt true.

For instance on the bin laden post about truce brother Imad Deen said that bin laden seemed like some hero to me.

WHERE IN THAT POST DID I SAY HES AN HERO TO ME? ALSO DID I NOT SAY THAT IM CHOOSE NEITHER SIDE OF BELIEF?

The Porky Muslim post - So if those that think that watching other muslim brothers doing haram we should intervene. I have told these muslims repeatdly To stop what theyre doing, but they dont listen. That is why i smile because they will answer on Judgement day. If you tell someone something and they ignore you then thats their problem. SO STOP ASSUMING AND ACCUSING For things we dont do

Especially when muslims arent model muslims
So if everyone has that much Ya know Iman and dawah Then go to every muslim you see that doesnt act according to the muslim law and tell them what theyre doing is wrong. Then thats you, you do your thing. And im not a model muslim myself thats why i find it funny or smile and i know what i say wont do anything, Thats why i dont say anything and just smile OR LAUGH,

Salam Alaikam hopefully some people give GOOD COMMENTS please for once

 

[samina1]

Re: Assuming and Accusations on this board

I Agree With U.. N Inshallah I Hope No Take This Da Wrong Way..
Fiananiallah..
Ma Salam