Cartoons in Europe, whats your opinion....

[justahumane]

Answer me this question "How do you know that those suicide bombers are Muslim" Tell me!

Well Sis I will say that if u are muslim than I m afraid that u are doing a sin of disowning the sacrifice of some great soul who blew himself up just coz he believed that it is the way to make his ALLAH happy.

I think tht in muslim community U can find ppls who are willing to give away their lives for the cause of his or her religion, many times more than any other religion. ie christian, jews, hindus, or buddhism. Reason is obvious.

I mean YES the media and the Goverment say this, But lets not forget the Media and the Goverment were also DEFINATE that Iraq had Nuclear Weapons.

I can go innocently on a train someone else could BLOW up the train, I DIE and then you see my pic all over the papers saying i blew myself UP! Im not there to say "No" My Parents and family are gonna be scared to death to come on TV and even if they do WHO is going to believe them.

The 2 weeks down the line YOU will hear that i went to a mosque and learned this. Even though i went to mosque to pray.

4 weeks later a video will be released SHOWING ME SAYING im gonna kill LOADS of people. And this video has come from the Goverment and CIA and MI5 who have the ability to make such vidoes.

Tell me ARE YOU GONNA THINK IM INNOCENT!

Sister its a nicely cooked-up story, but is this mere story or u think that there is any reality behind it? do u feel that this is what happens with majority of suicide bombings? If U do than plz lets bring out the truth out of it and I will be happy to learn that those suicide bombings are not done by muslims coz muslims cant do any such things.

Thanks.

 

[Shereen]

The problem here is you are confusing crime with terrorism. Crime is awful, but it is random. It can strike each and everyone of us. It is random. It is not organised. Terror, on the other hand, is organised and it is directed to certain political goals. There is no resemblance between the two at all. Crime will not change government policy much or society to any real degree. Terror, on the other hand, aims to transform the world. So the prisons are full of criminals. From all races and religions. But modern terrorism is highly associated with one or two ideologies.

And while it is not true that Muslims are a cause for all the violence in the world some types of violence are more often done by Muslims than by others. All the suicide bombings in Europe have been committed by Muslims. It so happens that domestic violence is more common in Muslim countries and among Muslim communities than most others. This is not to blame all Muslims who are, of course, innocent. But while not all Muslims are terrorists, it is increasingly the case that all terrorists are, or think they are, Muslims.

Apparently you havnt noticed the domestic violence problem in the US, we have safe houses full of women with waiting lists for years, we cant build them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Women and children are beaten everyday in the US by non muslim husbands and boyfriends and again I work in law enforcemnt so I know this first hand. Statistically speaking its more likely for a woman in this country to be killed by a lover than by a stranger and it happens every day. In fact one of my best friends from highschool was murdered by her boyfriend, shot in the head in front of thier two children, and guess what .....he was Christian and his father the pastor of a local church, so again lets not point the finger at just the Muslims.

And when criminals in this country stand on the corners of our communities dealing drugs, harassing women, scaring children or worse trying to lure children to thier lifestyle... these criminals cause people to be afraid. Afraid for thier lives, families, well being and property. They use thier bad boy tactics to instill fear in the community they live and they use retaliation on those who report thier activities .... in my book that makes them terrorists!

 

[HeiGou]

Apparently you havnt noticed the domestic violence problem in the US, we have safe houses full of women with waiting lists for years, we cant build them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Women and children are beaten everyday in the US by non muslim husbands and boyfriends and again I work in law enforcemnt so I know this first hand. Statistically speaking its more likely for a woman in this country to be killed by a lover than by a stranger and it happens every day. In fact one of my best friends from highschool was murdered by her boyfriend, shot in the head in front of thier two children, and guess what .....he was Christian and his father the pastor of a local church, so again lets not point the finger at just the Muslims.

I have noticed it. You haven't noticed that I did not say America had no problem, it is just that most Muslim countries have far worse problems. This is a strawman argument.

Sure. Women suffer all the time. Some of them are murdered. So what? You will notice I was not pointing the finger at anyone.

And when criminals in this country stand on the corners of our communities dealing drugs, harassing women, scaring children or worse trying to lure children to thier lifestyle... these criminals cause people to be afraid. Afraid for thier lives, families, well being and property. They use thier bad boy tactics to instill fear in the community they live and they use retaliation on those who report thier activities .... in my book that makes them terrorists!

Except their tactics are tactics. They are not trying to overthrow the state or change the balance of power. They are a police problem, not a military one.

I take it you agreed with everything else I said?

 

[HeiGou]

HOW DO YOU KNOW because the Media showed you a passport. I know 50 people who are walkigna round with FAKE passports. ITs not rocket science to have a FAKE passport. SO how DO HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES!

Funny I know none. A friend said you could buy fake passports from an Arab guy at the Finsbury Mosque but I never did. I wonder if that says something about the people we know or the communities we come from?

Which is more likely - the guy with a motive and from a community with a track record of this sort of thing did it and confessed to it or it was some vast unsuspected and, as far as I can see, completely pointless conspiracy to frame innocent Muslims requiring the involvement of thousands of people and them all keeping silent.

Who said they were JEWS i didnt. Many seem to think Muslims have this HATE for Jews. YES I HATE ARIEL SHARON but that dont mean i HATE all Jews. Jews are people of the Book and they should be respected BUT to get RESPECT you need to GIVE respect. and ALSO many confuse Zionist and Jews!!

Then may I ask who you think is framing all these Muslims for all those suicide bombings?

Have you seen the Post-mortems on these SUICIDE BOMBERS. What makes you think that if i did die in a train innocently that the Goverment, CIA or whatever wouldnt change and alter facts to show that i was GUILTY. think about it YOU havnt seen the bodies of those who have been accused of being SUICIDE BOMBERS!

Why would they bother? There is a certain type of mindset that likes paranoid conspiracy theories - don't you think you would be much happier dealing with the world as most of the rest of us see it?

Radical Islam is a PHASE made up by the Media!!! I as a Muslim KNOW islam and NO PART IS RADICAL, If parts are twsited that means that people have done this. Quran is the word of God and hasnt been changed FIND ME ONE SENTENCE IN THIS BOOK WHICH IS EVIL, RADICAL OR HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERROISM. ONE SENTENCE AND I WOULD EAT MY SCARF!!!!!!

A phrase made up by the media? So they made up suicide bombings in Britain, Iraq and Israel? They made up people who praised them for their actions? Parts are twisted - which is why I says radical Islam and not just Islam. But the parts twisted are Islamic parts. They are not writing new Qurans. They are not using the Bible. I would not suggest that any part of the Quran is evil or radical or has anything to do with terrorism. That is not the problem - what you and what I think the Quran says is irrelevant. What matters is what a small number of young men who blow themselves up think it says.

Of course it does say things like this which I find, well, not evil or radical, but hard to reconcile with my chosen life style

 

[knuckles]

Such anger. Calm down sister it's gonna be alright. There is no conspiracy. There is no secret Mosad force out to take over the world. There are no plots for "Greater Israel". The US and the British are not controlled by the Jews. Nor is our media outlets. Actually our media tends to side with muslims more than not. Most of the media here actually have a distain for the military. I would show cartoons showing this but I don't know if that is allowed. It's pretty offensive. By the way it's hard to do autopsys on a body that's blown up. They normally identify the person by dental records.

 

[HeiGou]

By the way it's hard to do autopsys on a body that's blown up. They normally identify the person by dental records.

There was a recent one in Indonesia where they took the guy's head - it had been blown off - and showed it around. It was recognisable.

Bombs are funny things I guess.

 

[knuckles]

There was a recent one in Indonesia where they took the guy's head - it had been blown off - and showed it around. It was recognisable.

Bombs are funny things I guess.

Yeah I can see how that can happen. It depends on the placement, amount, and type of explosive material that is used but I can see it happening.

 

[Sis786]

Funny I know none. A friend said you could buy fake passports from an Arab guy at the Finsbury Mosque but I never did. I wonder if that says something about the people we know or the communities we come from?
Which is more likely - the guy with a motive and from a community with a track record of this sort of thing did it and confessed to it or it was some vast unsuspected and, as far as I can see, completely pointless conspiracy to frame innocent Muslims requiring the involvement of thousands of people and them all keeping silent

Hmmm well i suppose you think that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11 right?

Then may I ask who you think is framing all these Muslims for all those suicide bombings??

I asked you a simple question What made you think these people that Blew themselves up were Muslims. I didnt say anythign about framing i just made you look at this on a different angle. To be honest i dont think 9/11 happened the way Bush and Blair are claming it happened and since then i have kept a open mind. I do believe that YES there are some radicals in Islam IM NOT BLIND TO THIS THOUGHT! But i fail to beileve EVERYTHING i read in the Mirror, or Observer or what ever source of British and Amercian Meida.

Im not sure whether you heard about a Document that was elaked to the press about the war on Iraq. Apparantly Bush and Blair had a conversation proir to the war and Bush even suggested flying a spy plane in Iraq with an Amercian flag painted on it to provoke SADDAM into war. You see things like this things that the Goverment DONT comment on OR IGNORE are the things I DONT FORGET!!!

Why would they bother? There is a certain type of mindset that likes paranoid conspiracy theories - don't you think you would be much happier dealing with the world as most of the rest of us see it?

Yes its a lovely notion and a much easier one to follow that what you see is what you get. But im a Muslim and IM sick of seeing my Religion and My Brothers and Sisters suffer from this. Why should i look at a Bent World Straight?

A phrase made up by the media? So they made up suicide bombings in Britain, Iraq and Israel?

Who said made up Like i said i just showed you a different side!!

They made up people who praised them for their actions?

Ive seen soo many non-muslims praise 9/11 saying its true and ITS SICK!! Who ever praises these actions are just PURE SICK!

Parts are twisted - which is why I says radical Islam and not just Islam. But the parts twisted are Islamic parts. They are not writing new Qurans. They are not using the Bible. I would not suggest that any part of the Quran is evil or radical or has anything to do with terrorism. That is not the problem - what you and what I think the Quran says is irrelevant. What matters is what a small number of young men who blow themselves up think it says

So you saying that its NOT islam NOR Muslims as Muslims follow the religion Islam!!

Of course it does say things like this which I find, well, not evil or radical, but hard to reconcile with my chosen life style

Your lifestyle is up to you. I believe in Islam from the bottom of my heart and i know what Islam says its hard seeing such a beautiful religion be tarnished time and time again.

 

[Sis786]

Such anger. Calm down sister it's gonna be alright. There is no conspiracy. .

Lol Knuckles Im showing you a different way of looking at things. Come on dont tell me you iant see that Faraheight 9/11 and other documentaries about 9/11

There is no secret Mosad force out to take over the world. There are no plots for "Greater Israel". The US and the British are not controlled by the Jews. .

Hmm not sure about America!

Nor is our media outlets. Actually our media tends to side with muslims more than not. .

Do they what paper you read???:?

By the way it's hard to do autopsys on a body that's blown up. They normally identify the person by dental records.

ffended: Exaclty so how do you know that a Sucide Bomber is a "Muslim" How????

 

[knuckles]

Lol Knuckles Im showing you a different way of looking at things. Come on dont tell me you iant see that Faraheight 9/11 and other documentaries about 9/11

:giggling: Wow. Have you ever gone to Michael Moore's website? He even admits that it's not a documentary. He admits that he left out stuff and altered footage to show the administartion in a worst light. If Faranehiet 911 is your point of reference then sista you need to find different outlets

Hmm not sure about America!

Oh I'm pretty sure. If they do they are doing a pretty bad job at it. I mean would they actually let a KKK member (Robert Byrd) serve in the Senate if the did?

Do they what paper you read???

Wallstreet Journel, The Nation, USA Today, Newsweek, Chicago Tribune, The Guardian, NY Times, Washington Post, Al-Jazeera.net, Foxnews.net, and so on. Sweetheart I read everything I can get my hands on weither I agree with it or not. How can I disagree with something if I don't know what it's about?

Exaclty so how do you know that a Sucide Bomber is a "Muslim" How????

Maybe because they normally leave a videotape for their family explaining what they have done, why they did it, and showing them going through the cleansing ritual. I've seen them on al-jazeera so I know you have too.

 

[HeiGou]

Hmmm well i suppose you think that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11 right?

Well taped boasts do have an influence on me.

Who do you think did it?

I asked you a simple question What made you think these people that Blew themselves up were Muslims. I didnt say anythign about framing i just made you look at this on a different angle. To be honest i dont think 9/11 happened the way Bush and Blair are claming it happened and since then i have kept a open mind. I do believe that YES there are some radicals in Islam IM NOT BLIND TO THIS THOUGHT! But i fail to beileve EVERYTHING i read in the Mirror, or Observer or what ever source of British and Amercian Meida.

What different angle? The "Stalin wasn't a real Communist" angle or the "It was all an international Zionist-Freemason-LizardsFromOuterSpace conspiracy" angle?

It sounds to me like you made your mind up very early about 9-11 and have not shifted from that point since.

No one in their right mind believes everything they read in the Mirror or the Observer even. But it is better than what you download on the internet.

Why do you think there are some radicals in Islam?

Im not sure whether you heard about a Document that was elaked to the press about the war on Iraq. Apparantly Bush and Blair had a conversation proir to the war and Bush even suggested flying a spy plane in Iraq with an Amercian flag painted on it to provoke SADDAM into war. You see things like this things that the Goverment DONT comment on OR IGNORE are the things I DONT FORGET!!!

Yes but how relevant is it? They wanted to go to war with Saddam. They found a reason. Is that so bad? Let me introduce you to the concept of al-hiyal al-fiqhiyyah - the Islamic way to make the forbidden permissable.

Who said made up Like i said i just showed you a different side!!

A different side of what?

Ive seen soo many non-muslims praise 9/11 saying its true and ITS SICK!! Who ever praises these actions are just PURE SICK!

I am finding it hard to work out where yo draw the line. The world is sick and wrong. Blair is a liar, but 9-11 is wrong too. I'll keep trying to figure it out though.

So you saying that its NOT islam NOR Muslims as Muslims follow the religion Islam!!

Well no. I say it is not your version of Islam. But I am not a Muslim and would not judge anyone's views on Islam anyway. So I will say that they thought it was Islam. They did it for their religion.

Your lifestyle is up to you. I believe in Islam from the bottom of my heart and i know what Islam says its hard seeing such a beautiful religion be tarnished time and time again.

 

[Sis786]

:giggling: Wow. Have you ever gone to Michael Moore's website? He even admits that it's not a documentary. He admits that he left out stuff and altered footage to show the administartion in a worst light. If Faranehiet 911 is your point of reference then sista you need to find different outlets.

Hmm wonder why this movie was bann in America, and this was just an example there are MANY MORE!!

Al-Jazeera.net.

lol, ever thought WHY the Amercians wanted to bomb these stations!!

Maybe because they normally leave a videotape for their family explaining what they have done, why they did it, and showing them going through the cleansing ritual. I've seen them on al-jazeera so I know you have too.

Ever make you wonder how come these people always leave a tape and Why is it this tapes "falls" into the hands of the CIA after the bombing and Why these people make all the tapes see similer and why WE ONLY GET TO WATCH A SNAP SHOP huh Why Why Why!!!

 

[SuperJatt]

Salaam

1. Free speech is most important thing.
2. I'm against any law which will restrict freedom of speech.
3. These cartoons were stupid and had no sense. These pictures did nothing good but only troubles.
Conclusion.
These cartoons shouldn't be printed but that restriction shouldn't be make by law. It should be an "internal" restriction. I will never print them but I will never make law which restrict freedom of speech.

Maa salama

There is a law which restricts freedom of speech. See European Convention on Human Rights article 10.

 

[HeiGou]

Hmm wonder why this movie was bann in America, and this was just an example there are MANY MORE!!

None of Michael Moore's films have been banned in America.

lol, ever thought WHY the Amercians wanted to bomb these stations!!

Not really. Who says they do?

Ever make you wonder how come these people always leave a tape and Why is it this tapes "falls" into the hands of the CIA after the bombing and Why these people make all the tapes see similer and why WE ONLY GET TO WATCH A SNAP SHOP huh Why Why Why!!!

I think the leave a tape for Dawa. The CIA does not usually get the tape, but a media outlet. Maybe there is only one cameraman who works for all the Jihadis. Who knows? They do not look alike to me. I saw all of the tape made by the guy who blew himself up in London. It was shown on TV too.

 

[knuckles]

Normally Al-Jazeera get these tapes not any government offices. Also F9/11 played for 12 weeks here in my town. It was certainly not banned. Free speech and all.

 

[FlagellumDei]

Hi!

At first I am european and christian and i want to keep my own faith! I dont like the violent mission what do often the muslim religion! I think about these cartoons were jewish provocations! Well known european nations think Israel the most dangerous for the worldpeace and sympathize with palestinians! After this case muslims from all over the world threaten european countries and nations, but the provocation made by jewish newspaper and journalists i m sure! And they reached their aim, hate against western and muslim world! But i know the main source of danger that jewish power what controll US and european governements, economies, financials and medias! What do u think about it?

 

[knuckles]

Hi!

At first I am european and christian and i want to keep my own faith! I dont like the violent mission what do often the muslim religion! I think about these cartoons were jewish provocations! Well known european nations think Israel the most dangerous for the worldpeace and sympathize with palestinians! After this case muslims from all over the world threaten european countries and nations, but the provocation made by jewish newspaper and journalists i m sure! And they reached their aim, hate against western and muslim world! But i know the main source of danger that jewish power what controll US and european governements, economies, financials and medias! What do u think about it?

Where's is you proof? What incentive do the Jews have to stir this up? You forget that Europe has had a long term distaste for the Jews, even more so than Arans. Even if the cartoons were to take support from the Pals, surely europeans wouldn't put it behing Israel.

 

[FlagellumDei]

Well known here comes every blasphemy against christianity or other religions (now islam) from jews! In my country also were such provocations! For example "art" exhibition where pig was crucified on cross by a jew called Nietsche, a jew announcer said in a radio at Christmas: "He should exterminate all christians..." And it should be continoued...

 

[knuckles]

Well known here comes every blasphemy against christianity or other religions (now islam) from jews! In my country also were such provocations! For example "art" exhibition where pig was crucified on cross by a jew called Nietsche, a jew announcer said in a radio at Christmas: "He should exterminate all christians..." And it should be continoued...

:mmokay: That seems far fetch to me. Obviously this would have been reported on. What country are you from and what aer your sources?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Flagellum Dei,

Are you the Whip of God? Welcome to the forum!

Well known here comes every blasphemy against christianity or other religions (now islam) from jews! In my country also were such provocations! For example "art" exhibition where pig was crucified on cross by a jew called Nietsche, a jew announcer said in a radio at Christmas: "He should exterminate all christians..." And it should be continoued...

Every blasphemy comes from Jews? Never heard that one before.

The art exhibition sounds interesting, although I know for a fact Nietzsche wasn't a Jew...

Peace