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i wear a hijab and nothing can tempt me not to wear it.

EXACTLY!.... I think that it is more tempting to wear hijab than to not wear it. Hijab is such a protection. Think about it, men are less inclined to view you as a commodity, or an item for sale. It is seriously one of the greatest protections for women.

Peace,
Naimah
 
EXACTLY!.... I think that it is more tempting to wear hijab than to not wear it. Hijab is such a protection. Think about it, men are less inclined to view you as a commodity, or an item for sale. It is seriously one of the greatest protections for women.

Surely that is not the way us kafir men view women without the hijab. After all if they are not wearing the hijab they might be free, no?

And more to the point, they must be persuaded, not forced by their fathers. Western women get married without their husband's family paying large sums of money to their Fathers-in-law. Whatever Islam demands. Who is being bought and sold here? Not Western women.

If you feel the hijab makes you feel protected I am all for that. Good for you. But do not misunderstand the nature of Western society. We do not treat women as commodities. Perhaps that is the problem - if they were valuable how would we treat them?
 
Surely that is not the way us kafir men view women without the hijab.

Oh really? I can’t say ALL men view women like that but unfortunately most do! What do you do if you want to advertise a bar of chocolate? - strip a woman! How about a car? - Yet another woman! Women in the west are seen as objects. Their appearance is what is judged and their personalities and mind is given no attention. Thus women are chased around for their bodies and physical looks.


After all if they are not wearing the hijab they might be free, no?

I beg to differ. Let’s clear this up first- covering the head is not SIGN OF DEGRADATION or oppression. It is a commandment from Allah. I am pleased to walk down the street wearing my Hijab, my protection and identity with my head up high without hungry wolfs making inappropriate and useless comments. In Islam, a woman is free to be who she is inside, and immuned from being portrayed as sex symbol and lusted after. Islam is far from the western idiology of, 'if you have it, you should flash it!'


And more to the point, they must be persuaded, not forced by their fathers. Western women get married without their husband's family paying large sums of money to their Fathers-in-law. Whatever Islam demands. Who is being bought and sold here? Not Western women.

If you are going to make a statement like this present your evidence. Don’t talk out of your desire.

You are confusing culture with Islam. I think you are talking about the marriage-gift (Mahr) which is a divine injunction. The giving of mahr to the bride by the groom is an essential part of the contract.

The Quran states:

"And give the women their dower as a free gift but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it and enjoy it with right good cheer." (Quran sura 4, aya 4).

In conclusion in a Muslim marriage the groom gives a dowry to the bride, not to her father. This becames her private property to keep or spend, and is not subject to the dictates of her male relatives. Any money she earns or recieves is similarly her very own.

Regards
 
Oh really? I can’t say ALL men view women like that but unfortunately most do! What do you do if you want to advertise a bar of chocolate? - strip a woman! How about a car? - Yet another woman! Women in the west are seen as objects. Their appearance is what is judged and their personalities and mind is given no attention. Thus women are chased around for their bodies and physical looks.

Ahh, now as an object perhaps you can make a case. But women in the West are free in the sense that they are not commodities to be bought and sold. As Muslim men often point out.

It is true that a lot of men treat (or would like to treat) women that way. But then that is not just a Western problem is it? What the West also provides for is a role for women who are not just valued for their bodies and physical looks. It allows, even encourages, women to go to school, to get an education, to work if they want, to write and to think. Western culture is full of female role models as a result. Muslims have to reach back to Aisha to find much in the way of role models. Where are the Nineteenth century Muslima writers like George Sand or Jane Austin? Where are the Twentieth Century Muslima politicians like Margaret Thatcher? It is noticable that Muslim women are usually only important in politics if they are wives, daughters or mothers, not in their own right.

I beg to differ. Let’s clear this up first- covering the head is not SIGN OF DEGRADATION or oppression. It is a commandment from Allah. I am pleased to walk down the street wearing my Hijab, my protection and identity with my head up high without hungry wolfs making inappropriate and useless comments.

Beg to differ over what? I don't think I said it was a sign of degradation or oppression. I am happy to admit that I think it can be - that some women are forced to wear it even though they don't want to. But if you want to, I am all for that.

The problem with blaming the way women dress instead of the way men behave is that your dress is not a solution. You are just throwing your less-carefully dressed sisters to the wolves. Suppose that everyone dressed like you do - do you really think that the women who show the most ear lobe wouldn't get whistled at? Those sorts of men whistle at the girls in skirts because there are girls in skirts. If all women dressed like you they would have no option but to whistle at women dressed like you. And you would have to wear a more extreme form of covering. And then eventually all women would dress like you too. And you would have to wear only black and never show an eye. And once all women did that you would have to lock yourself in your house and never come out. Do you think that it might be better if those sorts of men behaved like civilised people and did not harrass women on the street?

In Islam, a woman is free to be who she is inside, and immuned from being portrayed as sex symbol and lusted after. Islam is far from the western idiology of, 'if you have it, you should flash it!'

That is not entirely true. Men are men and will lust after women. Islamic literature is full of references to beautiful women who dress modestly. They just stress the way she walks or talks or jingles her bracelets. Islam is a long way from that, but perhaps Muslim men are not.

You are confusing culture with Islam. I think you are talking about the marriage-gift (Mahr) which is a divine injunction.

No I am not. I recognise culture when I see it. And you will notice I point out that Muslims do many things regardless of what Islam tells them.

The giving of mahr to the bride by the groom is an essential part of the contract.

The Quran states:

"And give the women their dower as a free gift but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it and enjoy it with right good cheer." (Quran sura 4, aya 4).

In conclusion in a Muslim marriage the groom gives a dowry to the bride, not to her father. This becames her private property to keep or spend, and is not subject to the dictates of her male relatives. Any money she earns or recieves is similarly her very own.

Except in any polygamous society women are going to be in short supply. If a man can legally control who his daughter marries, he can legally hold out for payment. And in Muslim countries the culture tends to demand that men pay their Fathers-in-law on marriage. Women are in short supply so of course they do. Whatever Islam demands.
 
Surely that is not the way us kafir men view women without the hijab. After all if they are not wearing the hijab they might be free, no?

And more to the point, they must be persuaded, not forced by their fathers. Western women get married without their husband's family paying large sums of money to their Fathers-in-law. Whatever Islam demands. Who is being bought and sold here? Not Western women.
OOh WOW!!!...How sad:X :X :X


If you feel the hijab makes you feel protected I am all for that. Good for you. But do not misunderstand the nature of Western society. We do not treat women as commodities. Perhaps that is the problem - if they were valuable how would we treat them?

WHat?!?! I don't think that I follow you? ...And YES women are viewed as commodities in the West. Although it's not all women, a great majority are seen as objects and items for sale.

peace,
Naimah
 
OOh WOW!!!...How sad:X :X :X

Really? What is sad?

WHat?!?! I don't think that I follow you? ...And YES women are viewed as commodities in the West. Although it's not all women, a great majority are seen as objects and items for sale.

But if they were objects for sale, how would they be treated? If I owned a valuable Ferrari I would not expose it to public view unless I had to. Gold bars are locked in bank vaults. Jewelry is hidden in safes. If women were treated like commodities in the West, they would be treated as if they were valuable. As it happens women cannot be bought and sold in the West and so they may be objectified, but they are not treated a commodities - they are, in fact, treated as if their monetary value is zero (a fair assumption). A woman's virginity is not a valued commodity that rich men buy and so it is not protected in the West. Can you say the same of Muslim countries?

We have our own problems dealing with the way women are treated, but this is not one of them.
 
what is sad is you said they'll be free without the hajab, firstly no one forces a female to wear it, second what will she be free to do??? talk to guys more often and fall into sin??? is that your meaning of free??
 
salaam
I love wearing my hijaab and I feel protected
when I am wearing it. :statisfie NO one forces me to wear it… its my choice to wear hijaab and I think that hijaab and terrorism have nothing in common!!!!
:)
ma salaam
 
what is sad is you said they'll be free without the hajab, firstly no one forces a female to wear it, second what will she be free to do??? talk to guys more often and fall into sin??? is that your meaning of free??

I mean free in the sense that she would have no price. Women are not bought and sold in the West. They have no monetary value.

Plenty of people force women to wear the hijab. Any Muslim website will be full of messages that say things like "I forced my sister to wear the jilbalb and now she loves it". I have not looked here but I bet I could find one such message unless the Mods pull them. There is also more subtle pressure - if everyone treats you like a prostitute if you do not wear one, you will quickly wear one.

That is a limit view of freedom. No that is not my meaning of free.
 
I mean free in the sense that she would have no price. Women are not bought and sold in the West. They have no monetary value.

Plenty of people force women to wear the hijab. Any Muslim website will be full of messages that say things like "I forced my sister to wear the jilbalb and now she loves it". I have not looked here but I bet I could find one such message unless the Mods pull them. There is also more subtle pressure - if everyone treats you like a prostitute if you do not wear one, you will quickly wear one.

That is a limit view of freedom. No that is not my meaning of free.

dear friend

we all no woman are not bought and sold, i differ with you when you say they have no value, woman have great value and are respected in ISLAM.....

Like i said nobody forces a woman to wear Hajib as the sister has said...

but let me tell you if a brother is telling his sister to wear it, its for her own good, her modesty and she is covered up becuz she is respected....

if a website tells you different, then i dont advise you to beleive everything you hear, becuz it is VERY POSSIBLE YOU ARE HEARING A LIEE !!
 
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Plenty of people force women to wear the hijab. Any Muslim website will be full of messages that say things like "I forced my sister to wear the jilbalb and now she loves it". I have not looked here but I bet I could find one such message unless the Mods pull them. There is also more subtle pressure - if everyone treats you like a prostitute if you do not wear one, you will quickly wear one.
salaam
where did you get that from... what websites are you on about :?
ma'salaam :)
 
we all no woman are not bought and sold, i differ with you when you say they have no value, woman have great value and are respected in ISLAM.....

They have no monetary value in the West. That is not the same as no value.

The important point, and we seem to have been sidetracked, is that the West does not treat women like commodities. Objects perhaps. But not commodities.

Like i said nobody forces a woman to wear Hajib as the sister has said...

No one in the history of Islam has ever forced a woman to wear the hajib?

you need to tell them when they were young, when my younger sis was at 10 I explained to her about the hijab etc and its importance then about 6 months of discussing I said you cant go out anywhere without hijab on so she put it on, the same was redone with jilbab at 14 and alhamdulillah she loves wearing them.

but let me tell you if a brother is telling his sister to wear it, its for her own good, her modesty and she is covered up becuz she is respected....

I am sure that is the case.
 
Greets

Ahh, now as an object perhaps you can make a case.

So a woman who is not islamically dressed is seen as an object?! Therefore what is the answer to this?


But women in the West are free in the sense that they are not commodities to be bought and sold. As Muslim men often point out.

I have clearly stated that the women is given money from the man as a gift to HER. This is ISLAMIC. I don’t know where you have heard that in ISLAM money is given to the father. Like I said PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.


It is true that a lot of men treat (or would like to treat) women that way. But then that is not just a Western problem is it?

Well, tell me where you can find women been used to sale products in an Islamic country as much as the West?!


What the West also provides for is a role for women who are not just valued for their bodies and physical looks. It allows, even encourages, women to go to school, to get an education, to work if they want, to write and to think.Western culture is full of female role models as a result. Muslims have to reach back to Aisha to find much in the way of role models. Where are the Nineteenth century Muslima writers like George Sand or Jane Austin? Where are the Twentieth Century Muslima politicians like Margaret Thatcher? It is noticable that Muslim women are usually only important in politics if they are wives, daughters or mothers, not in their own right.

You are 100% in your thinking like this because of your naïve Westernized ideology. As I am naïve in my Islamic ideology as I wouldn’t know who on earth George Sand or Jane Austin are as just as you wouldn’t know who Huda Khatabb or bint Muhammad is?!!!

The reason why Muslim women are not in a high ranking statute is because most of them are third world meaning the woman has to think about what to feed her child for the night not how to be the next super woman!

As for Politics we you care to even look at what you talk about you will have found out that in Islam a women can not take up a position of high authority meaning president or something that involves a lot of work for the citizens. Why? Go find out yourself! Why I’m I telling you because you’ll understand it better.




Beg to differ over what? I don't think I said it was a sign of degradation or oppression.
I am happy to admit that I think it can be - that some women are forced to wear it even though they don't want to. But if you want to, I am all for that.


Estimates now state that at least1 in 4 males and 1 in 3 females will have survived some form of sexual abuse before reaching the age of 18! In the UK, that accounts for over 20.83% of the population!

That means in excess of 10,400,000 people in the UK are survivors of sexual abuse.

There is a black sheep in ever community.

You are true that some MUSLIM's mix ISLAM with culture.

Culture of the UK is to drink does that mean that every Christian is a drank? No that is mixing religion with culture.


The problem with blaming the way women dress instead of the way men behave is that your dress is not a solution. You are just throwing your less-carefully dressed sisters to the wolves.

It’s sad that you have no more good points but to go to the extreme to think that men are so sexually driven to a woman.

Islam has one dress code, has one dress code, has one dress code,. And yet again go and find that out yourself!


Suppose that everyone dressed like you do - do you really think that the women who show the most ear lobe wouldn't get whistled at? Those sorts of men whistle at the girls in skirts because there are girls in skirts. If all women dressed like you they would have no option but to whistle at women dressed like you. And you would have to wear a more extreme form of covering. And then eventually all women would dress like you too. And you would have to wear only black and never show an eye. And once all women did that you would have to lock yourself in your house and never come out. Do you think that it might be better if those sorts of men behaved like civilised people and did not harrass women on the street?

Are you talking about in a Islamic country because if every women was dressed like me then I think this would have been a Islamic country….try going to a Islamic country whistling at women and see what happens to you (this is what I mean about you coming up with useless, extreme to the hardcore sad arguments.) Please you use a bit of them brain cells and stop writing essays of useless arguments that can be given to my six year old cousin to answer. But since my religion orders me to educate the message of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to non-believers I would do it in a flash. And I hope you understand me.

Except in any polygamous society women are going to be in short supply. If a man can legally control who his daughter marries, he can legally hold out for payment. And in Muslim countries the culture tends to demand that men pay their Fathers-in-law on marriage. Women are in short supply so of course they do. Whatever Islam demands
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Islam culture

Culture Islam

Not hard to get confused with.

That is not entirely true. Men are men and will lust after women.

You have a weird view of Muslim men always been sexually driven.

Men are men yeah? Well maybe we should start a new thread about how Western men are viewed.

Reagrds
 
:Ahh, now as an object perhaps you can make a case.

So a woman who is not islamically dressed is seen as an object?! Therefore what is the answer to this?

I do not mind the claim that some women in the West are seen as objects. That is more or less true. But that they are seen as commodities is not.

:But women in the West are free in the sense that they are not commodities to be bought and sold. As Muslim men often point out.

I have clearly stated that the women is given money from the man as a gift to HER. This is ISLAMIC. I don’t know where you have heard that in ISLAM money is given to the father. Like I said PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

I have clearly said that what Islam says and what Muslims do are different. And that Muslims tend to give money to the bride's father. As long as you demand that I provide evidence for your strawman I will go on ignoring your demands.

Not that I can see how your comment relates to mine.

:It is true that a lot of men treat (or would like to treat) women that way. But then that is not just a Western problem is it?

Well, tell me where you can find women been used to sale products in an Islamic country as much as the West?!

I doubt that you can but you can find much worse in Muslim countries. I will pass on the Islamic bit as there are no Islamic countries, but is this better than a woman choosing to drape herself over a car?

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa110072005

Throughout the world, women are victims of violence on a daily basis whether in the context of peace or in conflict. Perpetrators may be officials of the state, armed opposition groups or individuals – including family members. Violence against women and girls in Afghanistan is pervasive; few women are exempt from the reality or threat of violence. Afghan women and girls live with the risk of: abduction and rape by armed individuals; forced marriage; being traded for settling disputes and debts; and face daily discrimination from all segments of society as well as by state officials. Strict societal codes, invoked in the name of tradition and religion, are used as justification for denying women the ability to enjoy their fundamental rights, and have led to the imprisonment of some women, and even to killings. Should they protest by running away, the authorities may imprison them.

It seems that Afghan women are commodities to be bought and sold. Now you can deny that is Islamic if you like and I will not object. But why are you silent about the plight of Afghan women and so harsh about the free choices of kafir ones? Do you think you have your priorities right?

:What the West also provides for is a role for women who are not just valued for their bodies and physical looks. It allows, even encourages, women to go to school, to get an education, to work if they want, to write and to think.Western culture is full of female role models as a result. Muslims have to reach back to Aisha to find much in the way of role models. Where are the Nineteenth century Muslima writers like George Sand or Jane Austin? Where are the Twentieth Century Muslima politicians like Margaret Thatcher? It is noticable that Muslim women are usually only important in politics if they are wives, daughters or mothers, not in their own right.

You are 100% in your thinking like this because of your naïve Westernized ideology. As I am naïve in my Islamic ideology as I wouldn’t know who on earth George Sand or Jane Austin are as just as you wouldn’t know who Huda Khatabb or bint Muhammad is?!!!

But my mind is open and I am willing to learn. Who are Huda Khatabb and bint Muhammed? You mean the British-born living author Huda Khatab? Would it be naive of me to suggest that she has a career because she was born in Britain and not in Afghanistan? Can you see no benefit to kafir society at all even if it is kafir society that allows both Page Three girls and Huda Khatab to work? Can you see that perhaps her Christian upbringing might have contributed something to her abilities and education?

The reason why Muslim women are not in a high ranking statute is because most of them are third world meaning the woman has to think about what to feed her child for the night not how to be the next super woman!

And yet men get to be President - aren't they responsible for feeding their wives' children?

As for Politics we you care to even look at what you talk about you will have found out that in Islam a women can not take up a position of high authority meaning president or something that involves a lot of work for the citizens. Why? Go find out yourself! Why I’m I telling you because you’ll understand it better.

Fine. Then say Islam does not allow female Presidents. I have no problem with that. Just do not claim that Islam encourages women politicians.

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Beg to differ over what? I don't think I said it was a sign of degradation or oppression.
I am happy to admit that I think it can be - that some women are forced to wear it even though they don't want to. But if you want to, I am all for that.

: Estimates now state that at least1 in 4 males and 1 in 3 females will have survived some form of sexual abuse before reaching the age of 18! In the UK, that accounts for over 20.83% of the population! [

That means in excess of 10,400,000 people in the UK are survivors of sexual abuse.

That is a famous study but one that included being whistled at as a form of sexual abuse. By that standard I doubt there is a Muslima in the world, and not in the Muslim world, who has not been "abused".

There is a black sheep in ever community.

Yours and mine both. Not just mine. Not just yours.

: The problem with blaming the way women dress instead of the way men behave is that your dress is not a solution. You are just throwing your less-carefully dressed sisters to the wolves.

It’s sad that you have no more good points but to go to the extreme to think that men are so sexually driven to a woman.

Hey, I am not the one who can only feel safe in a burka - who is going to the extreme in their views of how sexually driven men, or women for that matter, are?

Islam has one dress code, has one dress code, has one dress code,. And yet again go and find that out yourself!

Then say God wants you to dress this way and leave me out of it. I have no problems with that.

:Suppose that everyone dressed like you do - do you really think that the women who show the most ear lobe wouldn't get whistled at? Those sorts of men whistle at the girls in skirts because there are girls in skirts. If all women dressed like you they would have no option but to whistle at women dressed like you. And you would have to wear a more extreme form of covering. And then eventually all women would dress like you too. And you would have to wear only black and never show an eye. And once all women did that you would have to lock yourself in your house and never come out. Do you think that it might be better if those sorts of men behaved like civilised people and did not harrass women on the street?

Are you talking about in a Islamic country because if every women was dressed like me then I think this would have been a Islamic country….try going to a Islamic country whistling at women and see what happens to you (this is what I mean about you coming up with useless, extreme to the hardcore sad arguments.)

If you tell me where I can find an Islamic country I will go there and see. In the meantime I will notice the world is full of Muslim countries and those countries tend to have a lot of young men standing on corners doing nothing much except that every now and then they whistle at women who walk by regardless of what they wear. And worse.

These arguments are not useless or extreme or even sad. They go to the heart of your problem - if the boys misbehave the only solution is to change their behaviour. If you change yours, and encourage them to pick on your sisters, you will not make an changes for the better.

:Except in any polygamous society women are going to be in short supply. If a man can legally control who his daughter marries, he can legally hold out for payment. And in Muslim countries the culture tends to demand that men pay their Fathers-in-law on marriage. Women are in short supply so of course they do. Whatever Islam demands.

Islam culture

Culture Islam

Not hard to get confused with.

Nor do I.

:That is not entirely true. Men are men and will lust after women.

You have a weird view of Muslim men always been sexually driven.

I am not the one in a burka though am I? What does that say about what Muslimas think of Muslim men? Who says they are protected in the jilbalb? Protected from what?
 
You know you seem to have read what I said but have not understood. E.g.

I have clearly said that what Islam says and what Muslims do are different. And that Muslims tend to give money to the bride's father. As long as you demand that I provide evidence for your strawman I will go on ignoring your demands.

If you recognize the difference between culture and Islam then why do you keep bring this issue of the groom giving money to the bride’s father? Your not still confused cultures with Islam are you?


I doubt that you can but you can find much worse in Muslim countries. I will pass on the Islamic bit as there are no Islamic countries, but is this better than a woman choosing to drape herself over a car?

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa110072005


Are we talking about Islam here or culture? This is a country with its own problems- this country has been in war all its life and you want to compare it to a Western country. Look at the history of the Afghan people and you’ll understand why they are in this state.

Yet again you are presenting culture to me not ISLAM.


It seems that Afghan women are commodities to be bought and sold. Now you can deny that is Islamic if you like and I will not object. But why are you silent about the plight of Afghan women and so harsh about the free choices of kafir ones? Do you think you have your priorities right?

Gets this point this is not Islamic- selling women as commodities- that’s a thing of the West. We are addressing your problems here and you are running away from it.

'Rape of a female' - Long-term national recorded crime trend

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What is the solution to this promblem?


But my mind is open and I am willing to learn. Who are Huda Khatabb and bint Muhammed? You mean the British-born living author Huda Khatab? Would it be naive of me to suggest that she has a career because she was born in Britain and not in Afghanistan? Can you see no benefit to kafir society at all even if it is kafir society that allows both Page Three girls and Huda Khatab to work? Can you see that perhaps her Christian upbringing might have contributed something to her abilities and education?

Ok now you are getting emotional here. I don’t know which Muslim told you that a Kufr country has no benefits- Because why would there be so much Muslims here? We are only here to get back what was taken from us. Did her Christian up bring tell her to become a Muslim? What helped her become a Muslim her western values? Or did she just want to run away from your sex, drugs and rock and roll society? Like many Western women converts to Islam.

In a recent pole in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why?

Why are your educated, so-called free women converting to Islam??? Or maybe there is a big ibn laden look a like with a cane telling them to convert or he’ll beat them.


Fine. Then say Islam does not allow female Presidents. I have no problem with that. Just do not claim that Islam encourages women politicians.

Who said? Did I say that Islam encourages women to be politicians.


Yours and mine both. Not just mine. Not just yours.

There is a black sheep in EVERY community (this is what I mean by you just reading what I write but not understanding it)



Hey, I am not the one who can only feel safe in a burka - who is going to the extreme in their views of how sexually driven men, or women for that matter, are?

Complete 'hijab', also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of 'hijab' of the clothes is observing 'hijab' in a limited sense. 'Hijab' of the clothes should be accompanied by 'hijab' of the eyes, 'hijab' of the heart, 'hijab' of thought and 'hijab' of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

If you tell me where I can find an Islamic country I will go there and see. In the meantime I will notice the world is full of Muslim countries and those countries tend to have a lot of young men standing on corners doing nothing much except that every now and then they whistle at women who walk by regardless of what they wear. And worse.

I have find this highly fascinating and imaginative idea you came up with but I’ll go with it. Lets say that there are men who whistle at women wearing the full Hijab, these Muslim boys may whistle at them but Western men whistle at them and then rape them.


Regards
 
If you recognize the difference between culture and Islam then why do you keep bring this issue of the groom giving money to the bride’s father? Your not still confused cultures with Islam are you?

I keep bringing it up because it is relevant. What Muslim boys do - harrass women on the streets - is relevant and caused by many factors some of which are Islamic. Now the justification given for the hijab was the behaviour of those boys. I keep pointing out the only solution is to change those boys' behaviour. You can change their behaviour so that they behave Islamically if you like, but their behaviour needs to change.

As for the money changing hands, Islam permits, and even encourages, polygamy. This is going to have many effects one of which is that women will be in short supply - more single men than women. It means that a Father can demand money when his daughter marries. And in most Muslim countries he does. It may not be Islamic, it may be against Islam even, but it is also an inevitable consequence of Islamic law.

Are we talking about Islam here or culture? This is a country with its own problems- this country has been in war all its life and you want to compare it to a Western country. Look at the history of the Afghan people and you’ll understand why they are in this state.

And yet you are silent about the plight of your sisters and so very eloquent about the plight of kafir women. Why is that?

Gets this point this is not Islamic- selling women as commodities- that’s a thing of the West. We are addressing your problems here and you are running away from it.

Except as we all know women are not bought and sold in the West. They are in the Muslim world - whether that is Islamic or not. As for the record, could you please provide me with any evidence that says a Father cannot accept money for the hand of his daughter in Islam?

The problems here are not of Western women but of Muslim women. Why are you so silent on women actually being bought and sold as commodities and so very loud on the subject of women who are not bought and sold but make foolish choices?

'Rape of a female' - Long-term national recorded crime trend

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What is the solution to this promblem?

No idea. Harsher punishments I expect.

Ok now you are getting emotional here. I don’t know which Muslim told you that a Kufr country has no benefits- Because why would there be so much Muslims here? We are only here to get back what was taken from us.

Really? What do you think was taken from you?

Did her Christian up bring tell her to become a Muslim? What helped her become a Muslim her western values? Or did she just want to run away from your sex, drugs and rock and roll society? Like many Western women converts to Islam.

Who knows what helped her become a Muslim - her Christian upbringing probably. But the point remains - she is not a good example of the freedom of Muslim women to publish because, of course, she is a convert. Had she been born and raised in the Muslim world outside Kaffirdom, she would not have been able to write a word - like virtually all her sisters in Islam. Where are the Islamic equivalents of Jane Austen? Anyone know a single major female writer in the Muslim world between, let's say, 800 and 1800 AD?

Why are your educated, so-called free women converting to Islam??? Or maybe there is a big ibn laden look a like with a cane telling them to convert or he’ll beat them.

Western women are not commodities to be bought and sold. They are free to do what they like within minor limits and hence marry who they like. They often meet nice boys at University and are allowed to marry them. We do not require parental permission, we do not forbid it by law. Often they also convert when they marry or soon after. It is a measure of the appeal of love, not necessarily of Islam.

The question you ought to ask is how many remain Muslims. I think there is a study that says four fifths of American converts leave Islam. I notice you do not mention that.

Complete 'hijab', also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of 'hijab' of the clothes is observing 'hijab' in a limited sense. 'Hijab' of the clothes should be accompanied by 'hijab' of the eyes, 'hijab' of the heart, 'hijab' of thought and 'hijab' of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

And all this to prevent boys from whistling at you on the street? Who is going to extremes in their views of Muslim boys' behaviours and attitudes here? Not me.

I have find this highly fascinating and imaginative idea you came up with but I’ll go with it. Lets say that there are men who whistle at women wearing the full Hijab, these Muslim boys may whistle at them but Western men whistle at them and then rape them.

There is not a lot of evidence of that either. The majority of women in the West move about every day without being whistled at and the overwhelming majority are never raped. There is plenty of evidence that the same cannot be said of Muslim countries - there are accounts of Afghan boys who raped Afghan girls by getting them in a shop and ripping off their hijab so they could not get away even if they wanted. There are plenty of stories of Egyptian boys who engage in gang rapes. Just because Muslim countries produce no statistics of value, it does not mean there is not a problem.
 
Really? What is sad?



But if they were objects for sale, how would they be treated? If I owned a valuable Ferrari I would not expose it to public view unless I had to. Gold bars are locked in bank vaults. Jewelry is hidden in safes. If women were treated like commodities in the West, they would be treated as if they were valuable.
That is exactly why women where hijab!!!!!!


....Maybe you need to look up the term commodity again... Because luxuries are not only seen as commoditites. Toilet paper is a commodity too, andything of monetary value...something that can be bought and sold. And sadly, that's what many Western women are viewed as.

peace to you,
Naimah
 

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