Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

Thank You Ahmad, Well Said, Wa Asalamalakum Warahmitallahhi Wabarakatu, And Im Happy Allah Has Guided You To The Right Path !
 
PrIM3 said:
well actually Jesus vaguely said He was God and strongly said that He was Lord.

these verses from John chapter 8 shows Jesus calling Himself God vaguely

verse 23-24 --- You are from below, I am from above, you are of this world: I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.

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Bismillah

Peace.

All of the proof that you have provided can be refuted solely by using your own text. I can also provide many proofs that Jesus (peace be upon him) denied being G-d , the MOST HIGH. All that you listed were implicit statements, that do not prove He (peace be upon him) was G-d, the MOST HIGH. Verses used out of context can mean anything one wants it to mean.
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John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me. speaks of the relationship between Jesus and the Father.

Son of God and the Son of Man- shows the relationship- between God the Father and between humans.
Son of God- means that he is close to God but not in literal terms as physical son of God.
Son of man- means friend of man... He is close to man... and of course he is man
John 1:1- In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

God always had a voice- God was never not God. God's word is so close to God and can be or is close to us.

The Word is God the Word ( Jesus Christ ) is perfect can do what ever God does. So God incarnated His word is Jesus Christ ( Annointed Savior )

Jesus uses the same words as God Almighty when God says " I Am who I Am " Jesus states in John 8:24, John 8:28, John 9:58.. He states I am...

Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?

human logic is something that can be explained in easy ways like math. But God is God logic that I can't explain...
 
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PrIM3 said:
Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?
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you right who can comprehend GOD(swt), he is great , the one , the almighty...

but i cant agree about jesus(pbh) being a son or anything else of GOD...
God has no sons, and was not begotten....

still to this day no one an prove this......and the king james version, is phony and even christian scholars said that and said it had been tampered with..
 
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abdul Majid said:
you right who can comprehend GOD(swt), he is great , the one , the almighty...

but i cant agree about jesus(pbh) being a son or anything else of GOD...
God has no sons, and was not begotten....

still to this day no one an prove this......and the king james version, is phony and even christian scholars said that and said it had been tampered with..
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I never said he was Literally Son of God
 
PrIM3 said:
John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me. speaks of the relationship between Jesus and the Father.

Son of God and the Son of Man- shows the relationship- between God the Father and between humans.
Son of God- means that he is close to God but not in literal terms as physical son of God.
Son of man- means friend of man... He is close to man... and of course he is man
John 1:1- In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

God always had a voice- God was never not God. God's word is so close to God and can be or is close to us.

The Word is God the Word ( Jesus Christ ) is perfect can do what ever God does. So God incarnated His word is Jesus Christ ( Annointed Savior )

Jesus uses the same words as God Almighty when God says " I Am who I Am " Jesus states in John 8:24, John 8:28, John 9:58.. He states I am...

Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?

human logic is something that can be explained in easy ways like math. But God is God logic that I can't explain...
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In the name of Allah

Peace.

I would like to first like to remind you:

"PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Also, the Bible also says, "G-d is not the author of confusion."

In your dismissing of the trinity, is not practical, nor is it Biblical.

I will intend to use only Biblical verses within context of their meaning, Allah willing.

We must first kep in mind that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not the "only" son of G-d. It is used numerous times in the Biblical scripture.

Luke 3:36
“Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God.”

Isaiah 62:8
refers to the entire house of Israel as being, ‘Sons of God’.


In explaining the trinity, many I have come across you mathematical analogies:

1x1x1=1

Ice, water, steam.

These analogies are inadequate, because the doctrine is a man-made philosophy.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mr 13:32]

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]

We can see that that if Jesus (peace be upon him) was indeed G-d incarnate, He would indeed have the characteristics of G-d. He would not lack anything. His power would be derived from himself and not from His Father.


Referring to "I am".

John 8:58
“I tell you the truth’, Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was, I am!’”

“I am” is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.
 
Bismillah

According to the Bible, we are all Children of G-d. However, I am told he was the only "Begotten" son of G-d. Which is fabrication, because the Bible says that another was also begotten.
 
I notice that many religions believe in a G-s incarnate. And defend it extensively, with weak arguments. However, the Glorious Qur'an protects Muslims from this concept in Surah 112.

Alhamdulillah!!!
 
Bismillah

Also, remember that G-d cannot be tempted by evil.

"Let no one say when he is tempted: 'I am being tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone" (James 1:13).

Jesus (peace be upon him) was indeed tempted.

"For because he himself has suffered and has been tempted, he is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted" (Hebrews 2:18).

Mark simply states that Jesus was tempted by Satan (1:13) but Matthew (4:1-11) and Luke (4:1-13) elaborate the story. It is claimed that during Jesus' alleged forty days' sojourn in the desert, following his baptism by John, Satan tempted him with promises of an earthly kingdom if Jesus would only worship him.
 
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what I said is in black


Also, the Bible also says, "G-d is not the author of confusion."

1 corinthians 3:2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed you are still not ready. you are still worldly.


Hebrew 5:12- In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. you need milk, not solid food! anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righeousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themeselves to distinguish good from evil... then later in 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementaryteachings about Christ and go on to maturity.

1Peter 2:2- like new born babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation. now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.

according to these verses it is not God being confusing but it is us.. the people who haven't matured..
 
Bismillah

Peace.

I agree as well. G-d makes Himself known and it is people who make Him mysterious.
 
I see people agree with me.. but just to see if we are on the same page here.. I would like to ask how? or why do you agree with me?

do you agree with the scriptures I posted?
 
then you must agree with the scripture then because that is what scripture say...
that it takes spiritual growth to understand.. the more your spirit grows the more you start to understand...
 
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