Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

Al-Mu'min, not to change the subject any, but there is something you can help me with as I spend sometime going back through the thread.

Where in the Bible does the punishment of maiming come in? You know the one about cutting hands and feet off.

Biblicaly speaking what verses does that come from?

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Al-Mu'min so far I haven't found Islam's answer to this:

John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
I haven't found Islam's answer to this either:

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]

Thanks
Nimrod
 
"Let no one say when he is tempted: 'I am being tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone" (James 1:13).

I don’t know if any Christian answered this or not. The answer is in how we use words that may have more than one meaning depending on the context.

God does not tempt people in the hopes that they choose evil.

God has never been tempted. When we are thinking of selling a house we might say I was tempted to take the offer but I held out for a higher price.

Jesus was never tempted to take Satan’s offer but then thought better of it.

Thanks
Nimrod

Still working my way back through the thread.
 
I haven't found Islam's answer to this either:

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]

Thanks
Nimrod

I have a stab at it!!

Maybe it has something got to do with soul!

What you think?
 
Al-Mu'min, not to change the subject any, but there is something you can help me with as I spend sometime going back through the thread.

Where in the Bible does the punishment of maiming come in? You know the one about cutting hands and feet off.

Biblicaly speaking what verses does that come from?

Thanks
Nimrod

Sorry for jumping in, but to answer your question:

[Leviticus 24:19-20] "And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again."

[Matthew 18:8-9] "Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."

Judges 19:24-29] "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his [a visitor's] concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he [visitor] was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel."

I know this last verse is graphic. I apologize if I have offended anyone. :rollseyes

Peace,
Hana
 
how can u worship something that was created and can die just like a human. God is everywere, he knowes everthing and can do anything. Thier is nothing like him. He was the only one that was thier before the universe ever existed.
 
If Jesus was a man, he ate, breathed air,he drank, how could he be God?

Who came to see Abraham and explain what was about to happen to Soddam and Gamora? Was there not food eaten and drinks dranks and air breathed?

About done for the night, I will work on it some more for just a bit and then see you all tommorow.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Al-Mu'min so far I haven't found Islam's answer to this:

John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me.

Thanks
Nimrod

Peace:

Christians like to use this verse to "prove" divinity, however if you move on to John 17:21, then using that same logic you have about 15 godheads, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

He speaks of one in purpose, not one in body or essence.

Peace,
Hana
 
I haven't found Islam's answer to this either:

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]

Thanks
Nimrod

Peace:

What is there to understand? Jesus, pbuh, was created by God to be one of the greatest prophets, and still in His own words, he's telling you this...on His own He can do NOTHING, it is ONLY by the will of God, (the one that sent Him). Meaning, He didn't send Himself, His creator sent Him. He can only do as much as His creator wills. It's not complicated. :)

Peace,
Hana
 
Skillganon, I to have pondered the age of the soul, there is no clear answer given in the Bible or the Koran that I am aware of.

Jesus was making a claim about himself in that verse that I have not seen made for any other man, either in the Bible or the Koran, so I have to assume there is a special meaning to a special claim. Thanks.

Hana_Aku thanks for the explanation. The scripture you quoted doesn’t quite fit the question though. You made a fine attempt at answering the question though, Thanks!!! (I should have started a different thread for the question)

Hussein Radi, exactly when did the Being Jesus come into existence? Please cite your proof in scripture.


Thanks
Nimrod
 
Hana_Aku thanks for the explanation. The scripture you quoted doesn’t quite fit the question though. You made a fine attempt at answering the question though, Thanks!!! (I should have started a different thread for the question)
Thanks
Nimrod

Peace Nimrod:

Which question/verse are you referring to?

Hana
 
Skillganon, I to have pondered the age of the soul, there is no clear answer given in the Bible or the Koran that I am aware of.

Jesus was making a claim about himself in that verse that I have not seen made for any other man, either in the Bible or the Koran, so I have to assume there is a special meaning to a special claim. Thanks.

Hana_Aku thanks for the explanation. The scripture you quoted doesn’t quite fit the question though. You made a fine attempt at answering the question though, Thanks!!! (I should have started a different thread for the question)

Hussein Radi, exactly when did the Being Jesus come into existence? Please cite your proof in scripture.


Thanks
Nimrod

Hey, Nimrod, what is the age of my soul?

Next, Hana gave you a perfectly reasonable answer, that makes sense with the later sentences.

I came from heaven.... i.e "God sent me, not to to my will but to do Gods will!"
 
John 17:20-23
20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Hana_Aku your answering verse doesn't quite fit when taken in context.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
i have a question? how many bibles do the christance have? And would they make more different versions of it in the future? Both Judasim and christianity were changes by man ideas and man make mistakes. However islam has never been change, its 100% gods words and thats why its perfect. Thier is no errors on it and it makes alot of since.
For all you christans look up a movie called Miracles of the quran, its at harunyahya.com and see for your self that quran is indeed the word of god and islam is the right relegion. Download it!
 
Skillganon the answer was incomplete, I will leave it at that till a seperate thread is started that is focused on the question.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Ivanna "Other thing, God didnt care much about the protection of the Bible".

Think about that for a moment. Why would God care to protect the Koran and NOT choose to protect the Bible?

Thanks
Nimrod

Peace Nimrod:

Actually, Nimrod, it's not that He didn't care to or was unable to. Of course He could have and can do whatever He pleases. The Zubur, the Torah and the Injeel were sent to a particular nation and there was no promise of thier preservation. They were delivered to a particular people at a particular time. However, the preservation of the Qur'an was guaranteed as it was sent for ALL mankind as the final word of God.

Just think about this for a moment. The word Qur'an means recite. Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, would memorize and recite the words and have them recorded and memorized, not by one or two people, but by MANY, MANY, MANY. Today, the Qur'an is recited 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year (366 on leap year :p ). Because we pray 5 times a day and the Qur'an is recited during every prayer, the Qur'an is being recited somewhere in the world at any given time. In the lifetime of Prophet Muhammed, hundreds of people memorized the verses, word for word. Today, that number is in the THOUSANDS, ranging in age from 5 to 99+, and is recited the same way it was delivered to us by Prophet Muhammed, pbuh.

It truly was delivered for ALL mankind and has been preserved exactly as it was revealed over 1400 years ago. Alhamdulillah :D

Peace,
Hana
 
John 17:20-23
20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Hana_Aku your answering verse doesn't quite fit when taken in context.

Thanks
Nimrod

Peace Nimrod:

Actually, not that it was taken out of context...but showing the additional verses clarifies completely what I was saying. :)

Notice how Jesus, pbuh, doesn't refer to Himself as divine here....not even once. All glory is given to God alone. Jesus, pbuh, never takes credit for anything and is clearly telling you everything He did and everything He taught, came from the one who sent Him....His Creator.

So, thank you for providing the extra verses to make this more clear. :)

Peace,
Hana
 
ASALAMOALAIKUM
u know nim rod ! a/c to islamic belief, ALLAH send 4 holy books to this world throung msngers ..that is PROHPETS .... rite ??? and bible was one of them brought by jesus and we call Hazrat Isa (SAW) rite ? and quran was send thru Prophet mahummad (SAW) this was the last book ....... and ALLAH gave His words that till the end of this world He will protect this Holy book!! did He say the same thing abt other books ?? i dont think so
and wen He revealed Quran ...... only Quran will exist till the end of the world not any another book ,........ and secondly no book except quran (the other 3 revealtions) are here in this world ...... they have vanished means that people have brought changes in the holy books .... becoz ALLAH never promised the safety of those three books till the end of world !! so people ...did change bible ..... as u can see now that there are so many versions of bible ..... but Quran is one! with no changes! dont u see the difference i mean just try to compare Qurans of all the muslim countries ........they r all the same !! not one word is different ! .....
wen man was brought to this world ... Allah gave him guidance so man followed ....... but we all know .......that the flow of guidance cant stop can it ? so msngers came and give guidance (one after another) ALLah gave guidance to mankind now and then for us to follow ...... rite ? so how can u stop following Quran ? I mean After bible ......Allah still send guidance rite ? and Quran is the last book thru Lat msgner !! rite ?? and after Quran no book came AND AFTER PROPHET MAHUMMAD (saw) no msnger came !!
and Quran is the summary of all the three books !! ALLAH told us to follow Quran aS Quran holds the last giudance of ALLAH ........ as it is the last book it will remain in its state till the end of the world ........and no another book can compete the last book ! and afta all this revealation.....we r obliged to follow it .....to be a betta person to acquire jannah
jazakullal
wasalam
 

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