Why is Iran upsetting God

[HeiGou]

so it is clear that a lot of people are going to Hell. I agree we cannot agree on which one out of every thousand will not, but we can be sure that a lot of the people who were saved due to Western aid will go to Hell.

ah, so there was a reason for my suspicion of sarcasm..
yea, but still it isnt for me or for you to decide, even if it says in a hadith..a word not from Allah btw..

There is still no sarcasm there. I am not asking you to decide. I am asking you whether it is right to run the risk of preventing someone from entering Heaven so that we can feel better about ourselves.

Yes. So if those children had died with the other victims of the Tsunami or Earthquakes in Pakistan or Iran, they would have died sinless and hence got into Heaven. But the West rushed aid and saved them so that now they will burn in Hell. Or at least 99.9 percent of them will.

wrong again, the population of this world is increasing quickly, sins are increasing as well. We cant take that estimation out of just that group, and according to the hadith in which you have provided, it sounds like the populatin will be a lot bigger than it is now, and also there will be less muslims in the future than there is now, so ofcoarse there will be a lot of ppl going to hell, dont forget about the others that have died in the past and dont forget that for some time on earth, muslims will be extinct.

So if sins are increasing you think 99.99 percent of them will go to Hell? Or more? How does a percentage rate to the number of Muslims?

Muslims will be extinct? Now that is interesting.

Do you think that the more merciful thing would have been to let them die?

Let me remind you that once again you continue to think to the future as if you are running your own heartbeats, dont do that cuz u arent. When it comes to any situation where you are going to ask yourself, "what is more merciful" think of whether its merciful at all for that very millisecond. stop thinking towards the future. If you were to drop dead the very moment you ud wish you'd got in that one last deed instead of thinking of what would happen in the next second or even worse, the upcoming YEARS.

But should I be thinking about my future in this situation or theirs? Do you think God would reward me for keeping them out of Heaven (at least temporarily)? If that is the goal, why waste time here?

You mentioned the word chance, before you think of chance, think of whats 100%, Do they need help?? yes or no? if you can answer yes, then help. The outcome of any chance is not controlled by you, this is completely random in your power and always justified by Allah's will.

But what is the ultimate goal of that help? Surely Muslims are not afraid of death and are just passing through this life on the way to somewhere better. Why wait if you can go for sure and go now? You say "help" but is it, in Islamic terms, help to stop them entering Heaven right now?

If the goal is not this life but the Next Life, why mess about with this life at all? Why not go for the guarantee for the best of the Next Life?

ah, the word goal...can we not agree that with each goal there are obsticles? Our goal is not to enter paradise, when you play a game you don't think of the prize, you think of the finish line first and the obstacles before that.

Your goal is not to enter Heaven? What is it then? It ain't to have a good time now on this Earth without thought of the consequences? In a game you think of the finish line and making it to that finish line - Heaven for Muslims surely?

 

[HeiGou]

Your thought trully do not matter for only Islam is right.

Well by all means, explain the views of Islam to me.

Saving lives is a DEED..a GOOD DEED..

For the person who saved the life. But if the would-be-deceased was a child, as I understand it, they have been saved from a guaranteed place in Heaven. How can that be a good thing?

Very well then sicn you accept that all chidlren will go to heaven,then i ask you to go out and kill your childrena dn your nieces and nephews.
If you cant then tell me why

I don't accept that all children will go to Heaven. You tell me that they will. So the question ought to be, why don't more Muslims kill their children and nieces and nephews? They will grow up to sin in all likelihood. But if they die as children what happens to them?

Then can you tell me,do you know of their detination?Do you presume to know some thing that you do not?
You are but man oh ignorant one,accpet your fraility
Be not more that what you are,
do not think you cna judge other or others judge you
You have no power.
you cannot decide another person destination
Simply SUBMIT(ISLAM)

I am not trying to. But you all tell me that children go to Heaven if they die in Earthquakes or the like. Is that wrong? Is it unknowable? Are the hadith, and I assume there are hadith, wrong?

What do you think happens to children when they die?

 

[Maimunah]

What do you think happens to children when they die?

they will go to paradise

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

they will go to paradise

btw lets note, 909/1000 will go to heaven!!!!

this means a little below 10% of the whole of humanity will end up in heaven but is this wivout reckoning :?

 

[Maimunah]

btw lets note, 909/1000 will go to heaven!!!!

this means a little below 10% of the whole of humanity will end up in heaven but is this wivout reckoning :?

bro do u mean 999/1000
if so then then those 999 will be ya juuj wa majuuj n the 1% will be other humans

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

bro do u mean 999/1000
if so then then those 999 will be ya juuj wa majuuj n the 1% will be other humans

no sis i mean 909/1000

let me show u inshaAllah

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 265:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "On the day of Resurrection Allah will say, 'O Adam!' Adam will reply, 'Labbaik our Lord, and Sa'daik ' Then there will be a loud call (saying), Allah orders you to take from among your offspring a mission for the (Hell) Fire.' Adam will say, 'O Lord! Who are the mission for the (Hell) Fire?' Allah will say, 'Out of each thousand, take out 999.' At that time every pregnant female shall drop her load (have a miscarriage) and a child will have grey hair. And you shall see mankind as in a drunken state, yet not drunk, but severe will be the torment of Allah." (22.2) (When the Prophet mentioned this), the people were so distressed (and afraid) that their faces got changed (in color) whereupon the Prophet said, "From Gog and Magog nine-hundred ninety-nine will be taken out and one from you. You Muslims (compared to the large number of other people) will be like a black hair on the side of a white ox, or a white hair on the side of a black ox, and I hope that you will be one-fourth of the people of Paradise." On that, we said, "Allahu-Akbar!" Then he said, "I hope that you will be) one-third of the people of Paradise." We again said, "Allahu-Akbar!" Then he said, "(I hope that you will be) one-half of the people of Paradise." So we said, Allahu Akbar."

lol i c, sis i think ur right.

alhamdullilah, i got so scared for a sec

 

[Maimunah]

no sis i mean 909/1000



lol i c, sis i think ur right.

alhamdullilah, i got so scared for a sec

jazakaallah kahyr n be happy

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

bout juuj amd majuuj... just what are they?? :?

 

[Maimunah]

check this thread
http://www.islamicboard.com/akhira-hereafter/1072-yajuj-majuj-gog-magog.html

 

[*charisma*]

Greetings,

There is still no sarcasm there. I am not asking you to decide. I am asking you whether it is right to run the risk of preventing someone from entering Heaven so that we can feel better about ourselves.

Subhanak ya rabb..

NOW you are making it for selfish reasons. I don't get how preventing someone from going to heaven, would make us feel better about ourselves, would you care to further explain that please?

So if sins are increasing you think 99.99 percent of them will go to Hell? Or more? How does a percentage rate to the number of Muslims?

Muslims will be extinct? Now that is interesting.

eh, how gud are you with numbers?? I wonder if you are relating your ratios based upon that one hadith, in which doesnt even mention muslims entering hell.

But should I be thinking about my future in this situation or theirs? Do you think God would reward me for keeping them out of Heaven (at least temporarily)? If that is the goal, why waste time here?

Because (as I've explained before) muslims dont live with the pride of going to paradise. And the goal is not to keep anyone out of paradise, where are u getting this from??

But what is the ultimate goal of that help? Surely Muslims are not afraid of death and are just passing through this life on the way to somewhere better. Why wait if you can go for sure and go now? You say "help" but is it, in Islamic terms, help to stop them entering Heaven right now?

The ultimate goal of that help is to HELP. Thats it. Don't even think of the afterlife, cuz there you go again talking about future paradise when who knows when that will come. Help is to assist them with whatever present problems they have if you are able to. Keeping them from paradise by letting them grow up is not YOUR problem, it's theirs.

Your goal is not to enter Heaven? What is it then? It ain't to have a good time now on this Earth without thought of the consequences? In a game you think of the finish line and making it to that finish line - Heaven for Muslims surely?

The goal is to please Allah. The finish line is meeting Allah. In any game you think of everything you have to go through before getting to the finish line, the mini obstacles. After that, once you reach the finish line, you look at the competitors, who came in first, second, third, etc. Then you wait for your prize and if you lost, there is no prize for you. Grand prize would be entering paradise without trials, second prize could be being punished in hell for a short period of time and then entering paradise, and if you didnt win, your in hell forever.


peace

 

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The goal is to please Allah. The finish line is meeting Allah.

Yh Mannnnn truly sed

Grand prize would be entering paradise without trials, second prize could be being punished in hell for a short period of time and then entering paradise, and if you didnt win, your in hell forever.

May Allah protect and guide us :thumbs_up

 

[Zulkiflim]

Well by all means, explain the views of Islam to me.



For the person who saved the life. But if the would-be-deceased was a child, as I understand it, they have been saved from a guaranteed place in Heaven. How can that be a good thing?



I don't accept that all children will go to Heaven. You tell me that they will. So the question ought to be, why don't more Muslims kill their children and nieces and nephews? They will grow up to sin in all likelihood. But if they die as children what happens to them?



I am not trying to. But you all tell me that children go to Heaven if they die in Earthquakes or the like. Is that wrong? Is it unknowable? Are the hadith, and I assume there are hadith, wrong?

What do you think happens to children when they die?

Salaam,

the answer are clear,the children whom are sinless will go to heaven..

You say other wise.

And you say sin they are sinless why dont we kill them,simply becasue their life is not our to take.
We love our children and they love us,and they are a trial and a boon.thru them we impart our knowledge and Inshallah our fiath.

Also,in Islam we each of us shall go to heaven or hell based on our deeds,murder is a evil deed and will countenence an unsavoury affect.So we rememebr the covenant.

Again i ask you,why dont you go out and murder your children and nieces and so on.

In the Quran it is said that some of the other religion claim,their adherent will go to heaven.....the Quran challenge them..SEEK YE DEATH THEN.....

WILL YOU??

So i reply to you in the simpleset form.
To save a life is a good deed,to stay one hand while another suffer is a bad deed,to kill/murder is a bad deed.

A simple answer for a simple question.

 

[HeiGou]

the answer are clear,the children whom are sinless will go to heaven..

You say other wise.

Actually you are not listening to me because I have not said otherwise. I am told that in Islam children who die go to Heaven and I have never ever said otherwise. What I have said is 1. those children who are victims of natural disasters and so died, must therefore go to Heaven and 2. any child that is saved by Western aid does not get to go to Heaven immediately, and runs the real risk of growing up, sinning, and so burning in Hell for some long but indeterminate length of time.

Now you object to my post, I can see that, but which of those two propostions do you disagree with?

And you say sin they are sinless why dont we kill them,simply becasue their life is not our to take.

I am actually arguing for a lesser act - not that we kill, but that we do not save. Or at least we do not do too much to save. After all if they die in a state of sinlessness they go to Heaven. If they grow up they will sin and run a real risk of going to Hell. Which is preferable for the soul concerned?

Again i ask you,why dont you go out and murder your children and nieces and so on.

Because murder is a sin. And I am not convinced that children do go to Heaven when they die.

In the Quran it is said that some of the other religion claim,their adherent will go to heaven.....the Quran challenge them..SEEK YE DEATH THEN.....

WILL YOU??

No thank you. There are some other religions where people are so confident of the next life they seek out death. Buddhist monks are known to burn themselves to death for instance.

 

[irsha]

Apparently, the US Goverment has not denied that it is considering a tactical nuclear strike against Iran- nuking the sites they consider to have nuclear weapons, or the making of such.
Iran is playing a very dangerous game- one it cannot win, nd one that can only result in misery one way or another.

 

[*charisma*]

Greetings,

Actually you are not listening to me because I have not said otherwise. I am told that in Islam children who die go to Heaven and I have never ever said otherwise.

Correct.

What I have said is 1. those children who are victims of natural disasters and so died, must therefore go to Heaven

Correct

and 2. any child that is saved by Western aid does not get to go to Heaven immediately, and runs the real risk of growing up, sinning, and so burning in Hell for some long but indeterminate length of time.

Wrong.

There is that risk, but there is also the risk of him dying a martyr, the same risk that he will be a righteous, pious believer, the same risk that he might die that very moment after you try to help him. Why are all these risks exactly proportionate?? because it is through Allah's will that any of these will happen.

I am actually arguing for a lesser act - not that we kill, but that we do not save. Or at least we do not do too much to save. After all if they die in a state of sinlessness they go to Heaven. If they grow up they will sin and run a real risk of going to Hell. Which is preferable for the soul concerned?

You are mixing 2 acts and trying to treat them as one. The first act you speak of is the one in which you decide, and are judged upon (to help or not to help) The second act in which you seek upon is the one that is not of yours (the one being helped, or not helped) and not for you to judge(risks of how he will run his life). You are also trying to judge a soul before being concerned with your own (hypocracy). You wanted to know the ultimate goul of this life? It is to collect as many deeds as you can to take with you to the hereafter, as one of Allah's commands, this is how you will be judged accordingly and proof to you of what you have done with your worldly life.

Whether you help this person or not, you are risking losing a deed that may be multiplied continuously for as long as you live and as long as HE lives as well. whether you leave him there to die or live, it causes no harm upon him because it is Allah that takes and gives, but then for you, you have gained a sin for turning upon someone who was needy.

You also don't realize that everything in this world occurs for a reason. This child may have been sent down by Allah to be helped at that very moment, by you and only you, just so that you are to be tested for how you use your time in this world. Whether he dies or not, is in the will of Allah's, you have no control over it, but what you do have control over is your own intentions. So you can leave this person to die, and they could possibly live longer than you and you have gained nothing positive to take with you to the hereafter.

You are concerned with someone that has no say in their future life yet, and then you act as if their future is held between your hands, but nay it is not, it is just pure arrogance that has led you to believe this.

peace.

 

[*charisma*]

Greetings,

Apparently, the US Goverment has not denied that it is considering a tactical nuclear strike against Iran- nuking the sites they consider to have nuclear weapons, or the making of such.
Iran is playing a very dangerous game- one it cannot win, nd one that can only result in misery one way or another.

And your point is?? What does that have to do with anything...:rollseyes


peace

 

[extinction]

hey goo!!

 

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

hey goo!!

eh? who? go where?? u alright ekhi??

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

 

[Lush]

yea from a scientist POV it will be a natural event obviously but not from Muslims POV, and Muslims shouldn't think of it as a natural phenomenon

Quite the predicament for Muslim scientists! ;D

 

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Am lost again...POV....:?