God does exist

[Muslim Soldier]

Why should it to you? If God did create it, who created God? Nothingness? If nothing created God, why do you need some one to create the Universe? Which is easier - creating the Universe or creating God? Life arose through a physical process which has no evidence for divine intervention. And evolution created you. And that same Big Bang created the stars we see and those that we do not. Why do you not think so?

God was not created!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Explain it to me then.

allow me!

God was not created. He has no beginning and no end

:thumbs_up

 

[HeiGou]

God was not created!

Which I am happy to accept as a theological claim, but as a logical claim that is odd. Why do you think He was not created? Moreover if the Universe is too complex and ordered to have been uncreated, how can God, a more complex Being, be uncreated? Surely if something as mysterious as God can be uncreated, so too can the Universe?

 

[HeiGou]

allow me!

God was not created. He has no beginning and no end

Fine. But why then can't the Universe be uncreated?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Fine. But why then can't the Universe be uncreated?

becoz God decreed it 2 b and he is the all mighty, all wise

 

[HeiGou]

becoz God decreed it 2 b and he is the all mighty, all wise

So you can claim it was created. I am more interested in the usual claim that it is so complex it had to be created. Do you believe that and if so how do you reconcile that claim with your belief that God was not created?

 

[Hussein radi]

The Earth consists of inner core, mantle, and crust. the inner core is used to make the ozon layers, which are essential for life. With out ozon layers the air will escape and the sun wil burn all life. You already said it to me before not true, can you please tell me why its not true and give me proof?

i find it funny that almost everyone believe in god and only few don't.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

So you can claim it was created. I am more interested in the usual claim that it is so complex it had to be created. Do you believe that and if so how do you reconcile that claim with your belief that God was not created?

ye of course. The universe was created by God, and god was not created. We hav no knowledge to understand how he came about. The fact that he is here is enuff

 

[HeiGou]

The Earth consists of inner core, mantle, and crust. the inner core is used to make the ozon layers, which are essential for life. With out ozon layers the air will escape and the sun wil burn all life. You already said it to me before not true, can you please tell me why its not true and give me proof?

Actually the Ozone layer is the work of UV light hitting the oxygen molecules in the upper atmosphere. Air will escape if it can regardless of the ozone layer which only blocks UV light, not air. It is air after all. Gravity holds most of the Earth's air in place, not the ozone layer. Lighter elements do, however, escape all the time.

But you are missing the larger theological issue: self-evidently we are not dead and our ancestors all lived long enough to have at least one child. Therefore something must have protected them. Therefore something does protect the Earth. This is not a miracle. If it didn't exist I would not be here typing.

i find it funny that almost everyone believe in god and only few don't.

Everyone used to think the Earth was flat. Truth is not determined by a majority vote.

Only a minority of the human race has ever believed in your religion. As only a minority does now. I don't find that funny. Do you?

 

[Hussein radi]

HeiHou, you believe the Universe created it self and it perfectly created the earth, sun, and moon. God is beyound our understanding, we can only understand what he created on this universe. you are making a big mistake denying his existnse. You compare him with the universe perfection.

 

[HeiGou]

you believe the Universe created it self

I believe there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Which is not quite the same thing

and it perfectly created the earth, sun, and moon.

I don't think they are perfect.

God is beyound our understanding, we can only understand what he created on this universe. you are making a big mistake denying his existnse. You compare him with the universe perfection.

If God is beyond our understanding then clearly something as complex as the Universe can exist without a Creator. I am not comparing Him to the Universe nor do I deny His existence.

 

[Hussein radi]

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[HeiGou]

Hi Heigou. I notice that you have not chosen to disclose your way of life, I actually assumed you to be an athiest, but the above statement proves otherwise. Can I ask you what you do believe in? .. <please> :happy:

Well you can ask but I would prefer not to discuss my beliefs in any detail. Or at all if I thought about it. This is a site for Muslims and discussing Islam. I am happy to discuss Islam (as long as I am allowed to which will not be much longer I guess). But discussing anything else would be foolish.

 

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Only a minority of the human race has ever believed in your religion. As only a minority does now. I don't find that funny. Do you?

Erm so 1.2 billion odd is a minority? Don't make me laugh!

 

[HeiGou]

Erm so 1.2 billion odd is a minority? Don't make me laugh!

Well the population of the planet is about 6 billion. I make that about a fifth. Which is, surely, a minority.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well the population of the planet is about 6 billion. I make that about a fifth. Which is, surely, a minority.

nope a fifth is actually quite a lot

 

[HeiGou]

nope a fifth is actually quite a lot

I did not say it was not a lot, I said it was a minority.

Main Entry: mi·nor·i·ty
Pronunciation: m&-'nor-&-tE, mI-, -'när-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Usage: often attributive
1 a : the period before attainment of majority b : the state of being a legal minor
2 : the smaller in number of two groups constituting a whole; specifically : a group having less than the number of votes necessary for control
3 a : a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment b : a member of a minority group <an effort to hire more minorities>​

Which it is. Muslims are out numbered by Catholics alone. They do not constitute a plurality of the world's population.

 

[root]

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Originally Posted by root [Link only for registered members]

Why do you need a creator

what a question. excellent thinking root.
yeeeeaaaa...why do you need a creator?

If I throw cold water outside my house on a freezing night, a chemical reaction will occur to create a complex structure. Am I the creator of the ice particle in all it's complexity or is it a chemical reaction that has taken place, what do u think? I sure hope you agree with me that it is the latter.

somebody has to create things for them to exist.

Nonsense. The Earth itself exists and was not created, unless your a 6/8 day creationist. Are U?

that was really dumb root. what part of your body do you think from root?

My brain of course

 

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Well the population of the planet is about 6 billion. I make that about a fifth. Which is, surely, a minority.

WHy do u always think from a narrow perspective?!

 

[cool_jannah]

heigoo

You never answered my questions. I asked you about the people who leave this world guilty of being responsible for the lives of millions of people. you said you had no answer for that. And also about people who are born handicaped or blind or dumb or deaf. what kind of justice do you believe in? don't you think justice should be done to these people.
I already gave you Islamic view point of this....something called as RESSURECTION or coming back to life and being accountable for their deeds accordingly.
talk to me?