Attention those with religion "other"

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how do u back up ur statement that it is necessary to believe that Muhammad teachings were actually correct?and we should all follow him?other wise we are going in hell ,,u know the people with religion 'Other' :D

u will give references from quran and hadith ,,,the people who have different beliefs and study other scripture certianly wont agree with u,,

If u want to prove a point then instead of giving references from ur books ,,,give reference from their books so u can prove it,,,,

If u say that all prophets gave the same teachings and we should believe in every prophet then it means that basic teachings are the same ,,,so pick common grounds ,,,other wise there is no use to even talk about it ^o)
 
Thank you for the clarification, I'm sorry for judging you, please forgive me. I hope that one day all people will know what I have found. Researching ancient languages opens your eyes. Did you know, that ancient shemenite language is the father language of both Arabic and hebrew? I believe there are good Muslims, I'm sorry I lost it. But I have found out some things that is proof the bible in its hebrew form isn't flawed, I will now research the quraan and research it through the hebrew text, I'm sorry I don't know Arabic. But Ancient hebrew is so very I'm depth. I mean not only do the words have meanings but a word can be a entire story. Jesus is in genesis 1 in the first word, but don't take my word for it, look for yourself. I hope God's truth comes to all who keep thier search. And yes I do agree every life is precious, but soon the return will happen, very soon. I don't know when but we have killed our planet, and the accusor, the false one, the father of hatered will make himself known, by lying to all saying he is the Messiah. Guard yourself that you are not deceived, I hope we all are not deceived.
 
God's message is that he loves us all, no matter who we are, no matter what we have done. This is the message of jesus, I will read the Quraan, I will be open minded, but I must do so in the lanuages I know, The reason why God told us to forgive each other is because we are not judge, and no one knows all the mysteries of heaven but God, if Moses and Noah and David knew his name, as written in the ancient Hebrew then why would God change it later? Even in the dead sea scrolls there was found many books that show us language variations. But the original texts of the books of moses were written in paleo shemenite language known as hebrew. Or Paleo Hebrew, this was also the language of Adam, Seth, Methuselah, Enoch, Job, hebrew has become more modern in adopting Aramaic in its symbology, but paleo hebrew is so very simple, yet complex as well. Bless you all.
 
I did research your findings and amazingly there is substance and truth in what you say along, on your last statement, but I do wish to know more about Islam, and the peaceful people within it. I do want to know if there are certain massages in the Quraan, and if people have misused or taken the messages out of context.
 
Greetings and peace be with you all,

I just thought I would post an email that has been sent to all our local churches.............

I was wondering if others would be interested in encouraging
their churches to pray for Muslims during Ramadan (18 June-17th July). I
have a number of resources and pointers if people would be interested. Even
though there are not many Muslims here, people often encounter them
at work and whilst out and about. Also it is a great excuse to get people
in our churches looking outwards.


In the Spirit of praying to One God

Eric
 
Wllmdrg said:
...That means The book of Enoch is a holy scripture. Read it, know it.
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The book of Enoch is actually any number of several pseudepigraphical works (meaning, falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) which attribute themselves to Enoch (known to Muslims as the Prophet Idris pbuh), who was the great grandfather of Noah pbuh.

We should treat the book of ENoch (and other books like it) in the same manner we do with other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha claims appears to be true and correct but at the same time, much of it is historically innacurate. If you read books like these, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents which are contested - don't read them as inspired, authoritative word of God.

Scimi
 
Book of enoch that was found in dead sea cave 3500+- B.C. I'm sorry but that isn't what you said it is, this manuscript is the oldest Judaism/Christian writing on earth, it's wonderful finding ancient writings.
 
Hello. I am new to this site and the Islamic belief. So far what I have gathered Is worship, praise and fear Allah which translates as the one god. And preach/ practice Islam which loosely translates to the religion of one lord or god that created all, is all encompassing, forgiving, yet vengeful. Were am I wrong at? So far it is very much in line with what I believe. One other question. I read a clear statement saying we are not god. Does this mean that we cannot feel as if we have an close link to it? Thank you in advance for any insight. I am truly ignorant. Wholehearted belief and faith ring true along with everything else I have read so far.
 
Wllmdrg said:
Book of enoch that was found in dead sea cave 3500+- B.C. I'm sorry but that isn't what you said it is, this manuscript is the oldest Judaism/Christian writing on earth, it's wonderful finding ancient writings.
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Hi Wllmdrg :)

Just because a book is ancient, it doesn't make it accurate - as a proven collection pseudepigraphical works it remains highly contested and nothing more than a novelty in modern day, something to muse at - not take seriously, my friend.

If it's accuracy you want, and time proven truth - I ask you to apply any standard you wish to the holy books you say you have studied and then apply the same to the Quran... you see, you have claimed your argument from a comparative view point - I've been involved in comparative study of faiths for years and Alhamdulillah, I have learnt methodology of comparative study properly :)

Hence, if you would like to discuss anything - I am more than willing to engage you on whatever topic and level of understanding you wish to pursue.

I have found the Quran to be the most perfect book on earth, a true revelation and one which has withstood the test of time itself - unlike the mess that is called the book of Enoch today, which you so vehemently cite in posts here.

If I were to do a comparative contrast to the Pseudipigraphical collections of the Book of Enoch to the Quran, I know what will happen - as I have already pursued this avenue of study.

See, when it comes non Abrahamic and the Abrahamic traditions, we find the only common threads within the Abrahamic ones, the non Abrahamic traditions themselves were highly suspect from the get go, and so, developed into sub-religious orders each unique to their area of settlement - no real cohesion of theology ever made these stand firm in their respective ideals of "mans place and purpose in the world" nor did they ever find a cohesion of theological premise. Therefore they largely ended up being confined to a locality and never became world shaking faiths - only briefly did they enjoy any popularity in the hippy 60's when people were so messed up on drugs that they bought into escapist ideals which stem from the polytheistic nature of these non Abrahamic faiths.

See, the whole problem with book of Enoch is that it is a mish mash of polytheistic theology combined with loosely justified monotheism and this discredits the work further.

I ask you to employ logic and method instead of emotional content when you study any religion, and to really ask the difficult question regarding each - really put them to the acid test... I am confident in my studies and if you follow the stringent approach without faltering on pedantic issues, you too will find the same as i did - that the Quran is an infallible revelation, timeless, a miraculous book which has delivered on the promise contained within:

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." - Quran 15-9

14+ centuries on and that promise is still in effect, not a verse, nay not even a word - nay not even a letter has been added nor removed nor changed in the Quran - it is exactly as God has promised us - perfectly preserved for all time !!!

No other holy book in antiquity can claim this status, for all others have indeed suffered corruptions, the Quran is the final revelation unto mankind and God has perfected it, protected and made it heard throughout the world.

God bless,

Scimi
 
popsthebuilder said:
Hello. I am new to this site and the Islamic belief. So far what I have gathered Is worship, praise and fear Allah which translates as the one god. And preach/ practice Islam which loosely translates to the religion of one lord or god that created all, is all encompassing, forgiving, yet vengeful. Were am I wrong at? So far it is very much in line with what I believe.
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Your natural disposition is aligned with Islam, as a child holds onto his or her mothers hem for the anchor it so readily believes exists from an ingrained understanding hard coded into your essence - you have the essence to find truth :)

God has told us that HE has given 1 of 100 parts of mercy between a mother and her child - God is keeping back the other 99 parts for us in the after life, thus we find that HIS mercy far outweighs HIS vengeance :) this understanding comes with further study into Islam :) it really is a beautiful faith.

popsthebuilder said:
One other question. I read a clear statement saying we are not god. Does this mean that we cannot feel as if we have an close link to it? Thank you in advance for any insight. I am truly ignorant. Wholehearted belief and faith ring true along with everything else I have read so far.
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We are not God(s) we do not create original works nor do we have any control over our own destinies, we only find that multiple avenues of thought and action can be afforded to us through our own ability to perceive truth - and that is only limited to our intellectual prowess, moral fortitude and innate disposition to trust that The GOD, has us cradled in HIS creation, in a niche which lets us realise HIS magnificence transcends everything, from a place where time and space do not exist - infinity :)

And that my brother, is a BOMBSHELL when it dawns on the one who reflects with a real desire to know truth, and asks God sincerely in humility and humbleness to open for him or herself, the doorways to knowledge & wisdom... and a lot more.

...The Quran is the fast track to that :)

God bless

Scimi
 
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Thank you for that. Unless I'm missing something it sounds spot on. I have a complete faith in God. I know that I am no t God, but his creation. I have a pretty close relationship with the lord. I believe he has shown me truth, directly, and with out question. He has cured ailments for me while simultaneously showing me mercy and understanding. He has brought me from the insidious and ejected it from me with relatively drastic effects. I am not gloating, I understand pride enough to know not to exhibit any but I tell you these things for a reason. Does all this align with Islam? Does it matter that I felt this way but did not know what religion to connect it to?
 
Yes you are spot on my friend :)

Seems to me that you are already spiritually prepped for Islam: Submission and Obedience to God for the sake of Peace within yourself :) you've already got a connection to God through your strength of Faith in HIM.

As a believer in The Divine Creator and Benefactor of all created things, you have demonstrated that HIS will is in all things by your admission that HE has healed you and you mention this in all humbleness and humility - two amazing qualities to find within a believer, you're a believer, that much is certain.

You believe, "There is no deity worthy of worship except the 1 God" who created all the universe and what it contains, put it all in a balance and gave the universe laws which you have recognized to be "signs" of HIS greatness... not many can read those signs, your spiritual vision is open and understanding this all through quiet reflection in fear and in love of God almighty the Majestic Benefactor, the Most Merciful and Kind. A careful and measured approach - can there be any other way? :)

Seems you have a calling, I see it.

Have you studied the life of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ?

I feel that you will find a kindred spirit in the personage of Muhammad pbuh, though honestly speaking, I don;t believe any man can ever match the Prophet Muhammad for his persona, we all share some very small essences of his main characteristics which we can see reflected in his perfected example, it is in the study of the "seerah" (biography) of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh that we as Muslims find our "sunnah" - or "examples" :)

His life has been the ultimate inspiration to mine - and millions upon millions of Muslims follow his example as a man who was chosen by God to deliver the final revelation unto mankind.

You are being invited to understand more, by God above - this communication between us, your joining this forum, your questions, ideas and understandings are no mere chance - for God is not a whimsical Lord, no. He ordains guidance upon whom HE sees as worthy, and it seems to me that you have an invitation to truth. Your journey is spiritually one which many of us have shared in life and we see it echo in your words here on the forum.

God bless :)

Scimi
 
You are most welcome Pops :)

It's 5am where I live so I am going to turn in for the night, but please - if you have any questions or want to share your points of view with us - do so. I have enjoyed our rapport and will check back in at some point during the day. I very much look forward to reading you again :)

God bless you my friend :)

Scimi
 
The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) by the Angel Gabriel - the messenger to the Prophets of God, ordained to do so by God.

The words "Al Qur'an" literally translate to "The Recital" for we audibly recite the Quran 5 times a day in worship of God.

Muhammad pbuh was the living example of how Islam is to be practiced and the wealth of information available to Muslims on his life and teachings are a real anchor for us to know how to worship God, amongst other things...

I want to share something with you brother Pops: http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/the-sealed-nectar.pdf <- this is an amazing insight into the life of the final Prophet to grace this earth, the seal of Prophethood, Muhammad upon whom be the peace and blessings of God the Merciful and Kind :)

Scimi
 
Why do you personally think that faithful Islam and faithful Christian cannot unify for the common good. Do they not both worship the same all encompassing God. I find Christians have been even more difficult than Islamic. Why must we dispute over the same beliefs when the books, lessons, names, places, and God is the same?
 

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