Does anyone meditate?

[Scimitar]

we shouldnt be nitpicking or looking down on someone's lack of knowledge on something you know, they may have not known or not understood or have a different opinion

We all were once at a point of not knowing anything and by the mecry of Allah He granted us all knowledge to share

The harshness towards people is NOT needed it does not help the situation, there is a way to speak to people in a pefectly fine polite manner whilst giving direct truths without the arragont tone and insulting the persons lack of knowledge or understanding

How you deliver the message is as important as the message itself

This is ramadan and we should be reflecting on ourselves including our character which is just as important
We hear so much about being humble and patient in Quran and hadeeths but no-one wants to do it and are quick to be harsh and have a judgemental mentality

I don't see anyone being harsh in this thread - myself included... and we all know how harsh I can be, right?

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Salaamu allikum

Walakum salaam akhi

Timi Scar - Jazakallah khair for being such a staunch advocate considering what blessed knowledge resides in your mind.

I am an empty cup waiting to be filled akhi. My studies are incomplete and I fear there are not enough years in life to truly master anything, let alone our own "self".

Allahu Akbar, He is the Most Merciful and despite our short comings, HE will judge us with Mercy - how can we not be thankful?

Scimi

 

['abd al-hakeem]

do you forget?

Scimi

...yes



... by design

 

[sister herb]

Meditation is simply the act of disconnecting from your reality

I strongly disagree.

To me meditation is as relaxing your mind. There isn´t nothing as "disconnection". Also I don´t see that such thing is as "imitate the disbelievers". Disbelievers surely might relax their minds too. As they do many other things what all people are doing.

I admit it might be some kind of imitation if there is some kind of mystical ideology behind kind of meditation but if there isn´t? Is it a real meditation then at all or should we find to it some other name?

^o)

 

[EgyptPrincess]

I think it's about time I finally accept it and I hire someone to teach me about Islam. Not just what is it is not permitted but so I understand Islamic history.

I don't really blame my parents for my lack of understanding but they could have probably tried teaching me with a different attitude and then perhaps I would have been more likely to want to learn. Astaghfirullah learning about Islam was seen as a chore for me when I was younger. I used to do anything to get out of another rant / lecture by my father.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

Walakum salaam akhi
My studies are incomplete and I fear there are not enough years in life to truly master anything, let alone our own "self".

Allahu Akbar, He is the Most Merciful and despite our short comings, HE will judge us with Mercy - how can we not be thankful?

Scimi

When's the next study session...? The field trip is amazing but the wildlife is a little troublesome...

 

['abd al-hakeem]

I think it's about time I finally accept it might be time I hire someone to teach me about Islam.

Smartest thing I've seen you post... jazakallah khair. May Allah subhano wa ta'ala guide you, along with the rest of the Ummah. Amin ya Rabb

 

[muslimah_B]

I don't see anyone being harsh in this thread - myself included... and we all know how harsh I can be, right?

Scimi

I think its more how someone else perceives it, you may not think your being harsh and your intention is not to, but to the person your directing it at they could take it in a harsh and judgemental way.

Its just something for us all to take heed and think about, how we talk and give advice can determine how a person acts on that advice either absorbing it and acting on it or feeling judged and turns away from it

We are human at the end of the day and all have feelings that can be hurt, some people may be sensitive others not so much, but we should all attempt to humble ourselves when dealing with people especially when giving adive to people on islamic issues they either dont understand or have no knowledge of, every bit of advice we give is like a further invitation to islam

 

[Scimitar]

I strongly disagree.

To me meditation is as relaxing your mind. There isn´t nothing as "disconnection". Also I don´t see that such thing is as "imitate the disbelievers". Disbelievers surely might relax their minds too. As they do many other things what all people are doing.

I admit it might be some kind of imitation if there is some kind of mystical ideology behind kind of meditation but if there isn´t? Is it a real meditation then at all or should we find to it some other name?

^o)

You can strongly disagree when Allah asks you if this was an Islamic practice - when it is clearly a bidah you wish to implement - you saying you disagree is a roundabout way of saying Islam is dissatisfying and incomplete.

Good day to you.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

I think its more how someone else perceives it, you may not think your being harsh and your intention is not to, but to the person your directing it at they could take it in a harsh and judgemental way.

Its just something for us all to take heed and think about, how we talk and give advice can determine how a person acts on that advice either absorbing it and acting on it or feeling judged and turns away from it

We are human at the end of the day and all have feelings that can be hurt, some people may be sensitive others not so much, but we should all attempt to humble ourselves when dealing with people especially when giving adive to people on islamic issues they either dont understand or have no knowledge of, every bit of advice we give is like a further invitation to islam

I'm not here to discuss my methods, I'm here to discuss meditation - now if you cannot stay on topic, then post in one you can.

Is this harsh? or is this on point?

Scimi

 

[T L]

Salaamu allikum

Jazakallahu khair

I have some... challenges - at least compared to what 'social propriety' dictates regarding functional practicality. Alhamdulillah, Allah subhano wa Ta'ala saw fit to counter, said challenges, with some rather wonderful blessings. Some of the veils of "sight", that reside on much of bano Adam, and indeed some of the members of this forum, are intermittently removed and replaced allowing me to "see" some wonderful truths that exist within the world. Truly we are naught but tourists.

I wanted very much to respond to some of the previous posts with the intention of highlighting the fact that your point was largely missed, if not ignored and subsequently disrespected, with absolutely nothing to be said for any form of awareness of Allah subhano wa Ta'ala and His Divinely Perfect Status above ALL creation.

As it turns out, I was beaten to the point. Alhamdulillah - the message sounds much better having come from someone else. Less of a challenge to my after-thought processes, and I dare say that the point may have been taken more seriously. Jazakallah khair for your insight.

Regarding the visualisation processes; Given the above admission of challenges, and blessings inherently found within my drop of knowledge - both from Allah subhano wa Ta'ala - perhaps its fair to say that I have an appreciation of training the mind to be more and more conscious of our beloved Creator. And if I ever forgot I need only return to IB and witness the blasphemic atmosphere created by some of the members here and I'm suddenly jolted back to reality where I thank Allah subhano wa Ta'ala for my challenges and blessings. Truly I could be in a much, much worse situation regarding accountability of actions, words and choices.

My challenge is that I'm far too easily distracted, and yet I have a rather powerful mind. This being said, I'm significantly deficient in other areas.

So... the reason I asked about visualisation processes was simply to obtain feedback to judge whether or not I should train myself to NOT to entertain them.

Jazakallahu khair.

As always, Allahu alem.

Waalaikum Assalaam and Wa iyyakum Akhi

I am very pleased to have read your post which you have taken your time to reply with, and such beautiful words! JazakAllah Khair akhi I truly appreciate them. Alhamdulillah that God has blessed you with understanding to be able to comprehend what I have said. Sometimes words just go wasted on those that do not reflect and one can lose the absolute will to carry on trying. I deeply appreciate the support, May Allah swt reward you, Ameen.

Indeed we are merely travellers in this world, reflecting back at each other our gains and losses, to realise our state of being set by the Divine, to appreciate our countless blessings, the pure miracle of Life and the nature of Time, and to further prepare ourselves for what is to come. He says Be! And It IS. Allahu Akbar!

Such are your challenges and trials akhi, but know you have the capability of understanding the right way, the correct way that only pleases Him, in light of Divine Knowledge, search for it, ask for guidance and don't stop, because this path is like walking a tight rope. SubhanAllah, human beings will eventually let us down but His Rope is Eternal.

Abi Amama (ra) narrates that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Beware of Momin’s Firasah because he sees with the Nur of Allah.

May Allah swt keep us all steadfast on His Path, Ameen.

Assalaamuaalaikum

~LV

 

[EgyptPrincess]

I think its more how someone else perceives it, you may not think your being harsh and your intention is not to, but to the person your directing it at they could take it in a harsh and judgemental way.

Its just something for us all to take heed and think about, how we talk and give advice can determine how a person acts on that advice either absorbing it and acting on it or feeling judged and turns away from it

We are human at the end of the day and all have feelings that can be hurt, some people may be sensitive others not so much, but we should all attempt to humble ourselves when dealing with people especially when giving adive to people on islamic issues they either dont understand or have no knowledge of, every bit of advice we give is like a further invitation to islam

Some people think the soft delicate approach is weak and passive. It's just the opposite for me, when people shout at me and try to force knowledge onto me I get angry and rebel against them. They can be firm in their words and strict in their manner but insulting people is just going to make that person dislike you and rebel against what you say.

I get called stupid and weak by my older sister all the time, I don't need to be told again by strangers lol.

 

['abd al-hakeem]

I don't see anyone being harsh in this thread - myself included... and we all know how harsh I can be, right?

Scimi

...you remind me of marshmallows...

 

[muslimah_B]

I'm not here to discuss my methods, I'm here to discuss meditation - now if you cannot stay on topic, then post in one you can.

Is this harsh? or is this on point?

Scimi

I think you completely dodged my point by trying to ignore mine and bring the "actual topic" to issue when i had a valid point about the way the information/knowledge is passed on to people, hence im completely on topic minus the actuall mention of meditation

Case closed

 

[T L]

...you remind me of marshmallows...

That's because he secretly is a marshmallow. He will not deny this.

 

[Scimitar]

I think it's about time I finally accept it and I hire someone to teach me about Islam. Not just what is it is not permitted but so I understand Islamic history.

I don't really blame my parents for my lack of understanding but they could have probably tried teaching me with a different attitude and then perhaps I would have been more likely to want to learn. Astaghfirullah learning about Islam was seen as a chore for me when I was younger. I used to do anything to get out of another rant / lecture by my father.

My parents are immigrants to the UK, and they had to adjust to a new language, new life and new everything - whilst trying to keep the basics of Islam intact - and they have - they put me thru madrassa and this is their gift to me - I wanted to play footie in after school games against other schools but they stopped me so I could get an islamic education - which i may add, only involved the reading and writing of Arabic and recitation and how to make salah etc - nothing else.

I am guessing it was the same for you - we cannot blame our parents - they simply did the best they could with what they had available - lets not forget, my parents came to this country as young teenagers who had most likely the very same education in Islam as I did in my youth. How can I blame then if they know no better - right? I can atleast appreciate that what they did know, they imparted to me, and what they couldn't teach, they let others teach me instead.

Our parents only have our best interests at heart.

With regard to you wanting to study under a teacher - this is always a good idea. Our teachers are our second parents, they impart the gift of knowledge, and much more besides.

I like to read, read, read and read... over the years I've spent time with ulema on occasion and benefitted much - see, there are still many Islamic books that have not been translated into English, and the knowledge of which remains strictly with those who have studied the texts, and those they impart that knowledge to.

Some of the mind blows I have been shown are so deep, that to attempt to write them for others to read, show me exactly how incapable i am of relaying the exact intent in English - a languages which I find severely limited in scope.

That is not to say that all English language translations of older works are bad - not at all - I only speak of my own inability to relay information in the English language with any justice to the original text. Especially when I do not even have THAT original text.

Scimi

 

[Arfa]

Any practice that is associated with un islamic cultures is not promoted in islam.Therefore we shouldn't be going to stuff that's doubtful:exhausted....On the contrary adopting practice of exercise is good.That goes for meditation Muraqba as well as long as it is used for calming mind and sharpening your intellect...One should focus on positive aspects of a practice instead of criticising or undermining others faults.May Allah guide us in holy month of a Ramadan

 

[Scimitar]

That's because he secretly is a marshmallow. He will not deny this.

I do not deny my marshmallownness

I-smart-i-c

 

[Arfa]

Any practice that is associated with un islamic cultures is not promoted in islam.Therefore we shouldn't be going to stuff that's doubtful:exhausted....On the contrary adopting practice of exercise is good.That goes for meditation Muraqba as well as long as it is used for calming mind and sharpening your intellect...One should focus on positive aspects of a practice instead of criticising or undermining others faults.May Allah guide us in holy month of a Ramadan

 

[Scimitar]

I think you completely dodged my point by trying to ignore mine and bring the "actual topic" to issue when i had a valid point about the way the information/knowledge is passed on to people, hence im completely on topic minus the actuall mention of meditation

Case closed

You do not know anything about the methods scholars use to teach students.

I tell you a story Oh green ears.

Once there was a mureed (student) of a shaikh, who had excelled in all his studies, so the shaikh recognised that it was time to find the mureed another teacher.

So off went Shaikh and mureed to the market where talk was heard that such and such a scholar was lecturing in such and such a masjid. So they went to check out this scholar as a potential candidate for his students new teacher.

When they reached the masjid, the talk had already started and the shaikh and his student entered late - they stood at the back and didn't sit down.

The scholar who was lecturing noticed the two standing at the back and asked them "are you here for the lecture?"

they replied in the affirmative.

The scholar then asked "will you not take a seat with the others?"

the Shaikh replied "not yet, we want to know if it is true what they say about you"

"What do they say about me?"

"they say you are not a real scholar and that you lead Muslims astray and off the path"

to which the scholar got up from his chair and started to shout "How dare you, get out from here, I will not have you tarnish my reputation in front of my students - who sent you? are you from such and such a group? - GET THEM OUT"

The shaikh and his student left before they got lynched.

Outside the student asked his shaikh - "why did you do that? that was sooo wrong dear teacher, you hurt his feelings and dishonoured him in front of his students"

The shaikh replied with "stay quiet - you do not know my methods."

they went back to the market - and there they heard more talk of another scholar who was giving a lecture in another masjid. So off went the shaikh and his student to this masjid.

When they reached, the lecture had already started, so they stood at the back and the scholar who was lecturing asked "Are you here for the talk?"

The shaikh replied "yes."

"why don't you sit down and make yourselves comfortable?" asked the scholar.

To which the shaikh replied "we want to know if it is true what they say about you"

"what do they say about me and who are they?" asked the scholar

"They say you are not a real scholar and that you lead your students astray" replied the shaikh.

The scholar immediately became upset and fell to the floor facing kaaba - in sujood asking Allah for forgiveness, his crying was heard audibly by all - he feared he had misled his students simply because someone had informed him of hearsay - this is how seriously the scholar took the accusation to heart.

The shaikh and the student left.

Outside the student asked his shaikh "why shaikh did you do this again? I do not understand?"

the shaikh replied "he is your new teacher - he has the fear of Allah in his heart."

What do you know of my methods? Nothing. I am not even a teacher - just some blundering fool trying to understand everything, but even I know what method is. While you do not.

Am I harsh?

Scimi