Does anyone meditate?

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Timi Scar said:
see, there are still many Islamic books that have not been translated into English, and the knowledge of which remains strictly with those who have studied the texts, and those they impart that knowledge to.

Some of the mind blows I have been shown are so deep, that to attempt to write them for others to read, show me exactly how incapable i am of relaying the exact intent in English - a languages which I find severely limited in scope.
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:O:uuh::popcorn:

...i'm listening - intently.

*note to self; must find Foos-ha teacher...
 
EgyptPrincess said:
As-salaam alaikum,

I just had a super weird experience... I was watching some youtube videos and stumbled across Sam Harris. King kufr, or maybe that's Dawkins? Anyway he was talking about spiritual awareness, mediation and I was listening to the way he meditates and thought I'd give it a try, I felt a bit silly doing it but it's so strange.

Essentially you close your eyes and try to observe complete silence, then you just release your mind and let your mind run free. What this means is you just let your mind think about whatever comes into it and you actively try to acknowledge what it is you're thinking about. Then you purposefully try to acknowledge your existence, this may sound obvious as you know you exist but he said really try to feel the "self" inside you and that you really do exist. I think what he was getting at is that we are so busy with out lives that we forget we even "exist". Just take a moment to realise that you are in your chair, which is in a house, which is on a planet, which is in a solar system etc ... which is in the universe. It was pretty strange.

So basically I'm laying there in my chair with earplugs in for complete silence and I just let me mind run completely free and think about whatever comes into my mind and it had some proper trippy freaky thoughts... I thought about cutting butter with a pigeon, javelin throwing a radiator, boxing with socks for gloves and diving into a soap bubble and popping it from the inside out and then teleporting into the ocean. There are so many other random completely illogical thoughts.

I had plenty of normal thoughts as well of course. Then I started to focus on my breathing and the feel of my heart beating in my chest and the weight of my body in the chair, the pressure from my legs on the chair etc and really focusing on it. Alhamdulillah I felt pretty strange, I felt for the first time that I am actually real. It's hard to explain... obviously I know I'm real but I never take the time to actually think about it lol.

I just wondered if anyone else meditates and what are you experiences? I feel a bit guilty copying this kufr but it's not haram to meditate. What a strange experience... :uuh:

Even the realisation that one day inshallah we're actually going to meet the prophet saaw and all the other prophets. We know this but I don't think we really sit down in complete silence and spend 15 minutes actually thinking about it. So awesome.
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Hey :) How is Ramadan going? I sent you a pm but I don't know if you received it.

I never imagined you for meditation :)
 
Timi Scar said:
You do not know anything about the methods scholars use to teach students.

I tell you a story Oh green ears.

Once there was a mureed (student) of a shaikh, who had excelled in all his studies, so the shaikh recognised that it was time to find the mureed another teacher.

So off went Shaikh and mureed to the market where talk was heard that such and such a scholar was lecturing in such and such a masjid. So they went to check out this scholar as a potential candidate for his students new teacher.

When they reached the masjid, the talk had already started and the shaikh and his student entered late - they stood at the back and didn't sit down.

The scholar who was lecturing noticed the two standing at the back and asked them "are you here for the lecture?"

they replied in the affirmative.

The scholar then asked "will you not take a seat with the others?"

the Shaikh replied "not yet, we want to know if it is true what they say about you"

"What do they say about me?"

"they say you are not a real scholar and that you lead Muslims astray and off the path"

to which the scholar got up from his chair and started to shout "How dare you, get out from here, I will not have you tarnish my reputation in front of my students - who sent you? are you from such and such a group? - GET THEM OUT"

The shaikh and his student left before they got lynched.

Outside the student asked his shaikh - "why did you do that? that was sooo wrong dear teacher, you hurt his feelings and dishonoured him in front of his students"

The shaikh replied with "stay quiet - you do not know my methods."

they went back to the market - and there they heard more talk of another scholar who was giving a lecture in another masjid. So off went the shaikh and his student to this masjid.

When they reached, the lecture had already started, so they stood at the back and the scholar who was lecturing asked "Are you here for the talk?"

The shaikh replied "yes."

"why don't you sit down and make yourselves comfortable?" asked the scholar.

To which the shaikh replied "we want to know if it is true what they say about you"

"what do they say about me and who are they?" asked the scholar

"They say you are not a real scholar and that you lead your students astray" replied the shaikh.

The scholar immediately became upset and fell to the floor facing kaaba - in sujood asking Allah for forgiveness, his crying was heard audibly by all - he feared he had misled his students simply because someone had informed him of hearsay - this is how seriously the scholar took the accusation to heart.

The shaikh and the student left.

Outside the student asked his shaikh "why shaikh did you do this again? I do not understand?"

the shaikh replied "he is your new teacher - he has the fear of Allah in his heart."

What do you know of my methods? Nothing. I am not even a teacher - just some blundering fool trying to understand everything, but even I know what method is. While you do not.

Am I harsh?

Scimi
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You gave one example to back the claims that i said about harshness just because you show me one story that features harshness doesnt mean that all the others followed this approach and this is the correct approach to people.
Being harsh doesnt fit with every single human beings mentality to accept it and act on it, being harsh can make people defensive which is human nature sometimes, hence why it is so important to check our characters and how we come across to people.

Every person takes things differently and there are many hadeeths on treating people properly, how to deal with people, how to speak to them etc etc
Why is that so hard to comprehend and accept instead of constantly trying to prove your point right and mine wrong by sly belittling claims
 
You seem very butt hurt - like the first scholar who went ape in the story. I guess the moral of such stories really does fly over that head of yours :)

May Allah increase you in righteous thoughts and curb your ego, ameen.

My harshness is a gift to you, but you will not accept a good thing if it hits you point blank in your face. I get it now. Meditation fail on your behalf, no?

You prove my points for me with your actions. I;m the calm one - you the one brewing up a storm... like I said, mediation fail :D

Scimi
 
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L V said:
Waalaikum Assalaam and Wa iyyakum Akhi

I am very pleased to have read your post which you have taken your time to reply with, and such beautiful words! I truly appreciate them. Alhamdulillah that God has blessed you with understanding to be able to comprehend what I have said. Sometimes words just go wasted on those that do not reflect and one can lose the absolute will to carry on trying. I deeply appreciate the support.

~LV
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Subhanallahi wa bi hamdihi, subhanallahi l'atheem, wa La hawla wa la quwwata ila billah, wallahu akbaru walhamdulillahi adada ma khalaqa fi-sama. Allahumma solli ali Muhammad, wa ala ali Muhammad adada ma khalaqa fil-ardi, koma soli alaa ali ibrahim, inaka hamidun majeed.

From the bottom of my heart;

May Allah subhano wa Ta'ala grant you something special, that which you need, and that which you didn't know you needed. May He increase your Love for HIM to a level beyond your understanding. May He grant you an abundance of patience and understanding to aid you in times of hardship. May He make you steadfast in the deen, and from those who meet their Creator.

Amin ya Rabbil alamin
 
Timi Scar said:
You seem very butt hurt - like the first scholar who went ape in the story. I guess the moral of such stories really does fly over that head of yours :)

May Allah increase you in righteous thoughts and curb your ego, ameen.

My harshness is a gift to you, but you will not accept a good thing if it hits you point blank in your face. I get it now.


So im buthurt because i call you out on how your coming across to people
Your honestly very full of yourself and can't even see it lol

Im not the one with a ego problem as i can accept other peoples points of views and understand them but i dont dismiss them completely due to me believing my way is the only way that is very arrogant and not even scholars handle issues in this manner.
Thats why learning undersomeone with a solid character is just as important as their knowledge and wisdom on matters.

Your harshness is not a gift harshness is not needed in circumstances of people asking questions or not understating something which you cant even understand because you want to be right

Knowledge is a gift and wisdom is knowing how to give that knowledge in the best of ways

If you cant understand my point then thats on you as iv explained it 3 times now

Lets hope the day doesnt come when people like you go through a situation and need help and guidance and the only help you recieve is in the form of a harsh & judgemental tone
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That was a lovely dua bro Challenged. !!!

Scimi
 
muslimah_B said:
So im buthurt because i call you out on how your coming across to people
Your honestly very full of yourself and can't even see it lol

Im not the one with a ego problem as i can accept other peoples points of views and understand them but i dont dismiss them completely due to me believing my way is the only way that is very arrogant and not even scholars handle issues in this manner.
Thats why learning undersomeone with a solid character is just as important as their knowledge and wisdom on matters.

Your harshness is not a gift harshness is not needed in circumstances of people asking questions or not understating something which you cant even understand because you want to be right

Knowledge is a gift and wisdom is knowing how to give that knowledge in the best of ways

If you cant understand my point then thats on you as iv explained it 3 times now

Lets hope the day doesnt come when people like you go through a situation and need help and guidance and the only help you recieve is in the form of a harsh & judgemental tone
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Yup, you butt hurt allright.

Sheesh even EgpytPrincess has expressed that she appreciates my blunt - no nonsense nature now, because she has the intellectual fortitude to recongise when someone actually means well - while you - quite stupidly lose sight of the gems I throw out here in lieu of the delivery?

You need your head AND heart checked. I even dropped you a story in order to help you understand "method" but you are quite the ignorant, I must say. No offence intended.

This is not my problem - it is wholly yours... guess what? that's another meditation fail - you can't get calm, can't get clarity and can't see the meat of the posts either... Maa Antum?

Scimi
 
JazakAllah Khair dear akhi Challenged.. that touched my heart Alhamdulillah. And for you I pray the same, Ameen Allahumma Ameen.

“Islam began as a something strange and it will return to being strange, so blessed are the strangers.”

~LV
 
I thought it was "blessed are the meditators" :D ok ok bad joke.

Scimi
 
Timi Scar said:
Yup, you butt hurt allright.

Sheesh even EgpytPrincess has expressed that she appreciates my blunt - no nonsense nature now, because she has the intellectual fortitude to recongise when someone actually means well - while you - quite stupidly lose sight of the gems I throw out here in lieu of the delivery?

You need your head AND heart checked. I even dropped you a story in order to help you understand "method" but you are quite the ignorant, I must say. No offence intended.

This is not my problem - it is wholly yours... guess what? that's another meditation fail - you can't get calm, can't get clarity and can't see the meat of the posts either... Maa Antum?

Scimi
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if it helps you sleep at night thinking im "buthurt" by all means lol, Allahu Akbar

I called you out on your approach not the info given and you still dont get it, so you never will, hence your problem not mine anymore

I called you arragant on your approach of my valid point which i was making as to which you still throw out because apparently only your right and your way cannot be challenged which i beg to differ.

I think you need to take a look at my posts as i never said anything along the lines of i do meditation i said i tried it and didn't like it i posted evidences against yoga which was mentioned and some forms of meditation for the benifit of other people if they was unsure of the actuall rulings on these issues, i posted what i did as i didnt like the way certain issues where dealt with, some people dont know yoga or some forms of meditation is haram (everyone is at different stages of their knowledge)

I never once intended for this to turn into a argument/debate or as an belittling match to make someone feel "buthurt" as you so childly put it.
I was merely pointing out something which i didnt agree with and put foward why and gave examples

If you choose to not take my point anboard that is your choice but this is getting pointless now and wasting time so im not replying back on this matter.

Asalam alaykum warahmatullahi wabrakatahu

Enjoy your ramadan :)
 
youngen said:
Hey :) How is Ramadan going? I sent you a pm but I don't know if you received it.

I never imagined you for meditation :)
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It's going fine.

Your PM can wait.



Timi Scar said:
Yup, you butt hurt allright.

Sheesh even EgpytPrincess has expressed that she appreciates my blunt - no nonsense nature now, because she has the intellectual fortitude to recongise when someone actually means well - while you - quite stupidly lose sight of the gems I throw out here in lieu of the delivery?

You need your head AND heart checked. I even dropped you a story in order to help you understand "method" but you are quite the ignorant, I must say. No offence intended.

This is not my problem - it is wholly yours... guess what? that's another meditation fail - you can't get calm, can't get clarity and can't see the meat of the posts either... Maa Antum?

Scimi
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I also said that advice from people who throw insults and are mean can often be rejected. I do appreciate your strictness and bluntness but be easy on the insults :P
 
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Assalamu Alaikum

To keep from continuous arguing, I'm closing the thread for now. It's Ramadan, make du'a for yourselves and each other inshallah.

Just a reminder, we all have different tones in our posts, we each have different personalities, but let's remain respectful because at the end of the day sometimes it's the words that are remembered, but how they were conveyed. The message sometimes doesn't shine through until we understand the person's character well enough to get past that first impression. Others don't care and want the message no matter how blunt it can be. So don't take offense to one another, we just have to decipher the type of person we are interacting with and realize that sometimes that's just their nature.

In the meantime,

:threadclo
 
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