strange/troubling hadith are shaking my faith...

[~ Sabr ~]

:salamext:

This is waswas. Please ignore it and seek refuge in Allaah from the shaytaan. I had a similar sort of waswas when I was around 17 years old....but when you gain more knowledge of Islaam :ia: these silly thoughts will go away.

May Allaah help you

 

[Mufti Monk]

Not only did humans shrink, but mammals also shrunk. For the biological architecture, humans and animals were originally larger in size due to the larger size of jannat. They shrank on earth in an evolutionary manner due to earth's smaller gravity. If humans and animals migrate to a large planet say, they both will again evolve to bigger sizes over time to counter the effects of gravity.

 

[kritikvernunft]

In the book Genesis of the Torah, Adam is claimed to be the first farmer, i.e. the first human to engage in agriculture.
There is indeed a claim by research historians that says:

As human societies adopted agriculture, their people became shorter and less healthy.
Early Farmers Were Sicker and Shorter Than Their Forager Ancestors.
Humans paid a heavy biological cost for agriculture.
This effect was seen over thousands of years, starting at the dawn of agriculture about 10,000 years ago.

Therefore, yes, there are reasons to believe that Adam was taller than his descendants (i.e. we).
As you know, the Adam and Eve events took place only around 10,000 years ago.
In terms of religion, the species that could have preceded Adam and Eve are not really counted as our current human race.
In that view, the human race only started around 10,000 years ago, when people started farming.

 

[Scimitar]

Not buying that - have my reasons and research, but i dont have time to reply properly... maybe later

Scimi

 

[AhmedGassama]

If there are Hadiths which opposes the Quran then the Hadith is wrong even if it come from Bukhari and Muslim because both of them are human and any human can make mistakes. Very simple!

 

[T L]

In the book Genesis of the Torah, Adam is claimed to be the first farmer, i.e. the first human to engage in agriculture.
There is indeed a claim by research historians that says:

As human societies adopted agriculture, their people became shorter and less healthy.
Early Farmers Were Sicker and Shorter Than Their Forager Ancestors.
Humans paid a heavy biological cost for agriculture.
This effect was seen over thousands of years, starting at the dawn of agriculture about 10,000 years ago.

Therefore, yes, there are reasons to believe that Adam was taller than his descendants (i.e. we).
As you know, the Adam and Eve events took place only around 10,000 years ago.
In terms of religion, the species that could have preceded Adam and Eve are not really counted as our current human race.
In that view, the human race only started around 10,000 years ago, when people started farming.

Where is your evidence to support this?

Do not rely on a researcher's/scientist's findings to support something which is only a theory. Especially from said articles. You're basing your conclusions on a scientific method which is greatly limited and flawed.

"The data suggests" is not the same as "fact/truth"
This is incorrect thinking.

Please benefit from the following video

In regards to hadith, as a general rule if anything contradicts the Qur'an then we cannot rely on it. HOWEVER, any doubts should require further investigation because we have the God-given intellect to question everything and seek truth right through to the point of absolute conviction. Such investigations require the correct methodology and our faculty of reasoning. It is not mere guess work or accepting weak sources without questioning them because we can't be arsed to research ourselves.


~LV

 

[kritikvernunft]

Do not rely on a researcher's/scientist's findings to support something which is only a theory.

It is their claim, not mine. I did not personally participate in that research project. In fact, it is not even my problem. I am not even particularly interested in that field.

You're basing your conclusions on a scientific method which is greatly limited and flawed.

I do not believe for a second that repeatable experiments are even possible for this particular claim. As I wrote, these people are historians (and not scientist). They are not dealing with repeatable facts, but with historical ones.

"The data suggests" is not the same as "fact/truth". This is incorrect thinking.

Yes, but the article never said it was "the truth". These people just happened to have dug up archeological materials, and that treated that material as independent witness depositions concerning particular historical facts. It is conditionally allowed to do that, and give excavation material the status of witness depositions for historical facts.

In regards to hadith, as a general rule if anything contradicts the Qur'an then we cannot rely on it.

The core claim is that hunter-gatherers were generally taller than the farmers who descended from them ("Adam's descendants").
In my impression, the Quran does not mention this claim nor its opposite. It is only mentioned in the Sunnah.
The historical research, that investigated historical facts witnessed through excavations, has made an inventory of these witness deposition equivalents.
Historical research never makes any claims as to the repeatability of such unique historical facts. The historical method has nothing to do with science or its experimental repetition.
The witness deposition equivalents just seem to be in accordance with the core claim; and that is all there is to it.

 

[Lisa921]

salaam alaykum wr wb
thank you for asking questions.
its very important to use your mind with islam and think logically before you do anything
But also we must know the limitations of our minds and that we will never understand what it was like to be muhammad and live in muhammads time because it was so long ago and it is not coming back. The world has changed and as far as I know some hadiths are context specific meaning they were said by Muhammad for that time and period they were said in. THey are not meant as universal laws, some of them. Thats why logic dictates that we research first before blindly accepting something to be true.
I know if you come from a christian background before islam this can be hard to do. Because like you, i myself was christian too and i know how blind faith is engrained into the teachings of Christianity. Its hard to break out of that pattern. ISlam is totally different and thats one thing I love about my new faith Islam. I will always be muslim because islam allows questions and study of religion. its not about blindly following things that don't seem to make sense.
i think it would be beneficial to find a scholar near you to answer your questions and give you the context in which those hadiths were written to help you on your search for truth
may Allah be with you
ameen
lisa