Mecca Problems

[Futuwwa]

Try to explain this. Why is there no proper documentation of Abraham being down in southern Arabia in Mecca (KSA) ?

Uh, maybe because there is no reason whatsoever for any ancient chronicler to mention him? To anyone who doesn't know about his prophethood, he would just look like a completely ordinary dude with a slightly larger-than-average flock of animals.

You're as clueless as one guy I once encountered who claimed that Jesus is proven to never have existed because there are no Roman government census or tax records of him.

 

[thinkreal93]

Uh, maybe because there is no reason whatsoever for any ancient chronicler to mention him? To anyone who doesn't know about his prophethood, he would just look like a completely ordinary dude with a slightly larger-than-average flock of animals.

You're as clueless as one guy I once encountered who claimed that Jesus is proven to never have existed because there are no Roman government census or tax records of him.

Abraham's journey throughout his lifetime according to the Bible is known, starting from Iraq going west towards Jerusalem uptil in the Sinai area. If he also lived some part of his life about 1000 kms further south, why isn't that known ? That was what I was asking.
1000 kms is a long distance to be associated with, compared to other places such as Sinai area, Becca, Jerusalem which are all close to each other and situated way up.

 

[Futuwwa]

You're speaking as if the Biblical account of Abraham is a historical source, one that has such evidentiary weight that if any Islamic source is inconsistent with it, it would prove the Islamic source to be untrue.

 

[thinkreal93]

You're speaking as if the Biblical account of Abraham is a historical source, one that has such evidentiary weight that if any Islamic source is inconsistent with it, it would prove the Islamic source to be untrue.

Well there is no other source we can depend on for his biography, other than the religious ones, right ? And the Bible is very much backed by archaeology. Do you have another source that would be helpful ?

 

[Born_Believer]

Can this thread be closed already? It's clearly not a discussion.

 

[thinkreal93]

Can this thread be closed already? It's clearly not a discussion.

How is it not a discussion ? We're exchanging our thoughts & ideas here. That's what a discussion is.

 

[Born_Believer]

How is it not a discussion ? We're exchanging our thoughts & ideas here. That's what a discussion is.

A discussion is not echanging whatever fantastical view pops up into your mind and then adamantly standing behind even when you've been proven wrong. To top it all off, you then moved to the story of Abraham AS and used the Bible as a historical source ;D

Please, it's clear you have no intention of even trying to reach a better understand, you are just trolling or at worst trying to mislead people.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Why is there no archeological evidence of Mecca ? It is supposed to be a really significant historic place.

The Zamzam water spring is sufficient historical proof. Absence of records do not mean they did not exist.

Why is Mecca KSA not on the trade route ?

Some of the historians say, the traders used to travel along the Red sea coast, and Makkah is situated inland. Even the Quraish, when they traveled from Makkah, they used to turn towards the sea and join the coast along present day Rabigh, as is evident from various historical records.

Why is there no clay or loam or trees or grass in Mecca KSA, as mentioned in hadith ?

Who says so? Have you ever traveled to Makkah?

See these pictures from Makkah:

Taken from http://livinginmakkah.blogspot.com/2015/12/allah-is-with-patient.html

Why are the oldest mosques not pointed towards Mecca KSA as their qibla ?

What a joke! See the exact Qiblah of one of the oldest Mosques in San'a:

If you know Arabic, which I doubt you would, I recommend you to browse this website: http://makkawi.com/
It has a lot of information regarding Makkah Al-Mukarramah, in case you are interested.