The Shi`a Cult

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I don't know why everybody is able to understand when it comes to what is known as "Terrorist Organisations" but not when it comes to the Shi`as.

Affiliation is a crime In and Of Itself.

If a person joins this forum today, and puts in his signature: "Supporter of ISIS", I guarantee you, the majority of the members will clamour for that person to be banned instantly. If he joined today he'd probably be banned and deleted before tomorrow, the way the members will protest and fight.

Why is it different when it comes to the Shi`as? Why do you regard affiliation as a crime when it comes to organisations you dislike but not when it comes to Kaafir satanic cults like Shi'ism that insults Allaah Ta`aalaa, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and all of the Sahaabah?

How blind can people be? What is difficult to understand about this?

What Nifaaq (hypocrisy) is this? Don't you realise it? Do you not see what happens? If someone affiliates himself to AQ or "ISIS", there are a lot who will not hesitate to call him a "Kaafir" and wish for him to go to hell. But if someone joins the forum and says that he is a Shi`a, then everyone jumps to defend him, make excuses for him, try to change the Qur'aan for him?

What is this? Why do you regard the affiliation of Bakr as a crime but not the affiliation of Zaid? Where is the difference?

 

[Scimitar]

What is wrong with people that they have developed this "fear" for the truth?

Welcome to my world,



Truther/Conspiracy Theorist.

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Huzaifah ibn Adam;

What does Islaam say about Jews and Christians? They are Kuffaar. Correct?

So how did the prophet pbuh, treat the kuffaar Jews and Christians?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

I'm a Sunni; I follow the Hanafi madhab, and I also do not know any Shia people in real life (at least to the best of my knowledge), but I do know that no one is perfect. And I know that Islam is not inherited by default in the sense that we're not all born knowing all knowledge of Islam from day one whether we're born into the religion and not, and therefore there are probably innumerable Shia people who are raised in Shia households that do not know or are aware of the entirety of Shia teachings.

Therefore, as long as particular persons says, "La la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah," we are obliged to identify them as Muslims, especially as we're laypersons. I do not disagree that some Shia sects do have some weird teachings and some among them might show disrespect to the Sahaba (Companions) :ra:; however, we should not assume that all laypersons within Shia households do the same.

So, what I hope is that as Muslims we responsibly educate all Muslims regardless of their sectarian affiliation on what traditional Islam's positions on certain matters are and let people make informed decisions about what beliefs they should ideally hold.

Therefore, I cannot understand, regardless of whether a scholar or a layperson does this act, is blanket cursing an entire group of people, making prayers for their destruction, and hating them for their ignorance; instead, what I see the job of responsible Muslims wherever they are is to be compassionate and make prayers for guidance for any persons that they consider are not guided; anyone who does not do that is showing bad manners and is not following the prophetic methodology because al wala' wal bara' is not about egotistical proclamations but exemplifying with kindness and leniency that which is just and true representation of submission to Allah and then hopefully being an inspiration to inspire the right changes in persons.

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself of goodness” (Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 238).

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, “None of you have faith until you love for your neighbor what you love for yourself” (Sahih Muslim).

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) also said, “Righteousness (birr) is good character” (Sahih Muslim: 2553)."

Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “I have been sent to perfect noble character” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqee: 21301).

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[anatolian]

I don't need to know all Shi`as in the world. What does Islaam say about Jews and Christians? They are Kuffaar. Correct? Now, how can you say they are Kuffaar? Using your logic. You haven't met every Jew and Christian in the world. You haven't met every atheist in the world. You haven't met every satanist in the world. You haven't met every agnostic in the world. You haven't met every Buddhist in the world. You haven't met every Hindu in the world. How, then, can you say they are all Kuffaar?

Easy. Because they say so. They say they are not Muslim. But Shi'ites say they are Muslim. Samething applies to Ahmediyyah. They say they are Muslim. I can't say they are not as long as I find obvious evidence against. But I can freely call Baha'is kafir since they don't call themselves Muslim. Does it mean we have to accept everyone Muslim just because they call themselves one? No. But you need to judge every individual according to his/her thoughts, words and actions.

 

[Scimitar]

There is a simple way to differentiate who is Muslim.

Let both parties make dua to Allah that Allah destroy those who claim to be Muslim but are not, from these two parties.

Simple.

Scimi

 

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

There are two things which need to be differentiated here. Shi'as as individuals, and as a collective religion.

Of course we can say there are some individual shi'as who we can grow fondly of etc etc. but I'm sure in the countries such as Iraq and Syria everyone thought this way too. No one wants to think badly of their neighbor... but look at those countries--or what's left of them-- now. The truth of the matter is, when push comes to shove, we are no longer looking at each other as individuals. I know some members prefer to look at this all positively, hopefully, and think of the bright side of things..but the reality is people in Syria right now are dying on the daily and it's because of Shias supported by western governments who are ravenous to eat the Middle East alive. Whether we like it or not, this war is a huge statement that Sunnis and Shias are so different to the point that the dehumanization of the Sunnis is celebrated. How do countries with a minority population become destroyed so easily? Sunnis are not perfect, but as sunnis we are still excusing them... Where is their excuse for us? They are no longer neighbors, they are oppressors, and Allah curses the oppressors. And to those who say that they are considered Muslim have to really learn more about them. From my own real life experience from being around many of them, they call on the name of Ali before they do Allah and they teach their kids to do so too..so if that's not shirk enough to take one out of the fold of Islam, I don't know what is. "Sunni" and "Shia" are not interchangeable, so we can't put everyone in the same category here. You can't preach about treating a neighbor well when they are waging war against everything that lives and breathes around you. Allah does not prefer us to be compliant and sheep to this degree in these situations. Allah knows what these victims are going through and May Allah give them the strength and aid them with victory on their side ameen. When there is oppression we fight it. It's really that simple. We don't think about whether each individual person in the war is a "good person"...it makes no sense.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you bro Scimitar;

Let both parties make dua to Allah
Scimi[/

I have family and friends of no faith and many faiths, I pray that they can all find salvation. If I should achieve salvation, it will not be through my efforts, or that I even deserve salvation, rather, it will be through the grace, mercy and forgiveness of our God. I pray for these gifts for all people.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you *charisma*;

When there is oppression we fight it.

That is probably what the Americans said after 9/11. When both sides use bombs and guns, then both sides are the oppressor, guns are oppressive.

Allah does not prefer us to be compliant and sheep to this degree in these situations.

I believe the God solution is, for both sides to put down their guns and rebuild. No one is a believer until he wants for his brother, what he wants for himself. All people want to live in peace with their family and friends, have jobs, access to education, hospitals and shops, etc. Shia and Sunni, Catholics and atheists want these same opportunity to live in peace, and provide for their families.

How can this be achieved with guns?

In the spirit of praying to a just, merciful and forging God.

Eric

 

[Bhabha]

What is wrong with you guys? You guys live in non-Muslim countries, pay taxes and live AMICABLY with non-Muslims and continue to foster hatred between Muslim communities? Get a grip. This is why the Ummah is so weak.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

between Muslim communities

Who is that?

Hatred has never been fostered between Muslim communities, respected sister. It's a simple matter of, this side is Muslim and that side is Kaafirs, enemies of Allaah Ta`aalaa and of Islaam as a whole.

 

[Scimitar]

I think this thread should be retitled "the Rafid cult".

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I believe the God solution is, for both sides to put down their guns and rebuild.

But take the `Alawiyyoon (Alawites) in Syria right now. They refuse to do so. Even after an agreement was made that the civilians - the innocent people in Halab (Aleppo) who had done nothing at all and had not even engaged in any fighting - would be allowed to leave, the Alawites broke that deal and started firing at them, and more Muslims were injured.

So, one thing is how people Want the world to work, and another thing is how the world actually works. Bashar al-Kalb is not interested in putting down his weapons. The majority of those who have been killed in the last five years in Syria have been ordinary civilians, especially women and children; not the fighters. Bashar al-Kalb and his army - along with the support from Putin, who is Bashar al-Kalb's husband, and Putin's Russian warplanes - have caused devastation throughout Syria and killed and caused harm to - who? The fighters? "ISIS"? - No. To the regular people who hadn't fought. The people who didn't even pick up their weapons in the first place. The millions upon millions of Syrians whose homes have been destroyed and they are now running from place to place as refugees, so many thousands dying just trying to escape Syria - none of those are fighters. They were never fighters. They were always just civilians. The ones who have suffered the most from the war has not been the fighters, it's been the people who refused to fight. Bashar al-Kalb and his supporters throw barrel bombs on hospitals with sickly children inside, and kills them. Such a person will never put his weapons down simply because the other side chose to put theirs down. He wants to kill. He loves it. So he needs to get what's coming to him.

We know that Gandhi had always preached pacifism and having people hit you dead with bricks rather than fight back, but that doesn't work in the real world. It only causes harm. The kind of people who love to kill are only encouraged by such behaviour and "pacifism". If no one at all picks up weapons to fight, millions more will be killed. The only solution for such people is to kill them. There is a special `Adhaab (torment) waiting for them in the Aakhirah. May Allaah Ta`aalaa take them there soon, Aameen.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Easy. Because they say so. They say they are not Muslim. But Shi'ites say they are Muslim. Samething applies to Ahmediyyah. They say they are Muslim. I can't say they are not as long as I find obvious evidence against. But I can freely call Baha'is kafir since they don't call themselves Muslim. Does it mean we have to accept everyone Muslim just because they call themselves one? No. But you need to judge every individual according to his/her thoughts, words and actions.

That's a modern day ideology, akhi. The `Ulamaa of the past adopted the following approach to the Shi`as:

The Madh-hab of Tashyee`/Tashayyu` (Shi'ism) is Kufr. Those who attribute themselves to this Madh-hab are, therefore, Kaafirs, just as one who attributes himself to Christianity, or to Judaism, or to Hinduism, or to any other religion.

You are ignoring the issue of affiliation. Answer the question for me:

What is your opinion of a person who says: "I am a Supporter of ISIS". Let's say a member joins, and puts that as his signature, and his display picture, and even makes a thread saying it. A whole thread saying he supports them, loves them, makes Du`aa for them, that he affiliates himself to them, etc.

What will you say?

 

[Delete.]

Be careful of who you support and defend, May Allah not resurrect you with them on Yawmul al Qiyama.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Here are some quotes from Khomeini for those who like to quote from him. Why not quote these ones of his:

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“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”

“An Islamic regime must be serious in every field,”
“There are no jokes in Islam.
There is no humour in Islam.
There is no fun in Islam.”

“If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, his moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and this stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him.”

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[You like that one? Old "skeleton-face" Khomeini was no supporter of "Pacifism". Don't be fooled.]


"Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all....There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of Mohammed] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim!"

[How about that one?]

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

“The author of the book ‘For Allah, Then For History’ [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.

He says: ‘Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.

Sayyid Sahib then requested that we spend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam’s hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.

When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming [through the night].’”

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Footnotes
[1] This book was written under the alias Husayn al-Musawi, a former companion of al-Khomeini who later abandoned his previous beliefs.

 

[islamirama]

Why do sunnni and shia always seems to be at each others throat in Arab nations only? They hare been living peacefully in other nations. Maybe its more of an arab problem then a sect problem. The arab shia changed their religion to be different from arab sunni and each one try to show one up to the other. maybe the problem is they both arabs and they both need to stop there arab hate. say no to sect racism!

 

[OmAbdullah]

Rgarding ImaamKhumeini:

1.During his time/reign an apostate man had written a book in which he had attacked the honor ofthe great Prophets alaihim salaam and that of the Holy Quraan! The Muslims of the whole world were very angry and grieved, particularly those in USA. Imaam Khumeini announced award of high value perhaps of a million dollars (I don’t remember exactly) for the killing of the writer of the blasphemy book. Then theMuslims in USA said that he was like the father of all Muslims.


2. I heard from a mo’azzin of a Suni Masjid in Iran that Imaam Khumeini said, “The prayer of shias after a suni imaam is valid while the prayer of suni after a shia imaam is not valid”. Allah knows best about the truth of these words.


3.Allah Azza wa Jall had helped him a lot as he was in exile due to the shah of Iran. The Shah was far away from the practices of Islam and all people in his reign had gone far astray. Allah Azza wa Jall Honored Imaam Khumeini and made him the ruler instead of the Shah. Then Iran changed a lot, its rule became Islamic rule. Many such things happened which clearly showed that Allah’s Help was with him.


4. When he passed away, the Irani authorities didn’t like his way. For e.g. he said that covering of the face of women is compulsory. (According to the Quraan and Sunnah it is compulsory). The Iranis followed another Imaam who said that women's face must remain uncovered. So it remained uncovered.


5.Imaam Khumeini was a learned man. If any person, whether a suni or shia or even a non-Muslim starts understanding the Holy Qraan sincerely, he/she shall come to know that Quraan is the Truth and the Qur’aanic way is the correct way of life and that is the way of the suni Muslims. It may be that Imaam Khumeini died as a Suni Muslim!


6.Allah knows best but due to the fear of Allah Azza wa Jall I wrote justly what I knew about him.


7.A Suni Muslim who remains ignorant from the Holy Quraan and asks du’aa from awliaa and/or from the shrines, is in reality, a mushrik (polytheist) and the same is the case of the shia who doesn’t follow the Holy Quraan and Sunnah. Thus every Muslim must know and follow the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah to be protected from Hell.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Laa Howla wa Laa Quwwata Illaa Billaah.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Maybe everyone conveniently skipped past that story of old Skeleton-Face which I posted earlier, so let me post it again. THIS is Khomeini:

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“The author of the book ‘For Allah, Then For History’ [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.

He says: ‘Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.

Sayyid Sahib then requested that we spend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam’s hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.

When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming [through the night].’”

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And a quote from him:

“A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”