Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Ok

akhi tell me where you want me to start in sha Allah.

Scimi

No you didn't understand my comment. I said your comment that you branded the giant hint bomb.. was the right comment that woken up my curiosity. So now in'sha'Allah i will do my own digging and look what i stumble to.

 

[talibilm]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

wa alaykum as salaam,

it's a dead subject. simply because no one has taken up on the first hint I left. Pishon, Gihon, Euphrates and Tigris. Why did I start my post of with this question?

Well, the pishon is one of the four heavenly rivers on earth which once upon an ancient time - ran through Arabia, making it green... and Arabia, in those ancient ties was the land of what?

Gold.

Saudi was green

How many millenniums ago ?, Bro,

and gold , in the sense ? i never heard of them both

Could you please substantiate on these with some ref ,links. bro.

Jazakallah khair.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Saudi was green

How many millenniums ago ?, Bro,

and gold , in the sense ? i never heard of them both

Could you please substantiate on these with some ref ,links. bro.

Jazakallah khair.

Ooh I thought you have heard of those Ahadith about end times. That everything (Arab deserts) will go back to how it was as in the time of Adam (as). That a believer will only worry that he doesn't get lost. That plant will grow that haven't grown since the time of Adam (as). Even science has proven that those deserts were once vast amount of woods..all green a d stuff. If you go though deserts in saudio Arabia you will even find remainigs of shell fish. Why did you think there was so much oil underneath those deserts?...about the gold part that I'm gonna start doing the research.

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Saudi was green

How many millenniums ago ?, Bro,

and gold , in the sense ? i never heard of them both

Could you please substantiate on these with some ref ,links. bro.

Jazakallah khair.

The mountain of gold in Euphrates river is different than the gold mahdi will give out. The former will mostly get the non-Muslims killed and the latter is burred beneath the kaba.

Arabia used to be green and will turn to that soon as well.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150223-arabia-was-once-a-lush-paradise

Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: " The Hour (of Resurrection) will not occur..... until the land of the Arabs returns to being pastures and rivers." (Sahih Muslim).


This prophecy has started to materialize:



A Muslim man named Zaheer has recently reported on his blog ( http://zaheersblog.blogspot.com ) that he went to Saudi Arabia to perform Umrah. He went to Madina first and then Makka. On June 27, 2010, on his way to Makka, may be about twenty five miles from it, he started noticing greenery. The whole desert looked like a faint green meadow. This greenery was not the result of some intentional gardening or landscaping. This is what used to be a bare desert and it is miles and miles of land.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Majeed al-Zandaani said:


Professor Alfred Kroner, one of the most famous geologists in the world, attended a geological conference in the College of Earth Sciences in the King ‘Abd al-‘Azeez University. I said to him: Do you have any proof that Arabia was once gardens and rivers? He said: Yes, this is well known to us and it is a scientific fact. Geologists know this because if you dig in any area you will find signs that tell you that this land used to be meadows and rivers. There is a lot of evidence.


I said to him: Do you have any evidence that Arabia will once again become meadows and rivers? He said: This is something real and proven. We geologists know it and measure it and calculate it. We can say approximately when it will happen, and it is not far off, it is quite close. I said: Why? He said: Because we have studied the history of the earth in the past, and we have found that it passes through many stages, one of which is the ice ages. What does ice age mean? It means that a certain amount of sea water turns into ice and collects at the North Pole, then it begins to shift towards the south, and when it shifts towards the south it covers whatever is beneath it, and the climate on earth changes. Among the climatic changes is the change that takes place in Arabia, where the weather becomes cold and Arabia becomes one of the lands which has the most rain and rivers on earth.

More at https://islamqa.info/en/110197


We are headed towards a mini ice age : http://www.iflscience.com/environment/we-could-be-heading-mini-ice-age-2030/

And it has started already : http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/10/28/russian-scientist-the-new-little-ice-age-has-started/

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

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http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150223-arabia-was-once-a-lush-paradise

"His team's findings suggest that the monsoon pushes further into Arabia every 23,000 years, allowing plants and animals to flourish."

So AT LEAST within the past 23.000 years one could say Adam(as) could have lived because it was during his time lush and green. OR if he lived before that than at least 46.000 years. Or even older. Allah knows best.

Do help me analyze this...

We are headed towards a mini ice age : http://www.iflscience.com/environmen...-ice-age-2030/

"Three will fight one another for your treasure, each one of them the son of a caliph, but none of them will gain it. Then the black banners will come from the east, and they will kill you in an unprecedented manner." Then he mentioned something that I do not remember, then he said: "When you see them, then pledge your allegiance to them even if you have to crawl over the snow, for that is the caliph of Allah, Mahdi."

Sunan Ibn Majah 4084
Book 36, Hadith 159
Vol. 5, Book 36, Hadith 4084

Source used: https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/36/159

"Ibn Qazuwaih said that Kathir bin Murra said: " The Aya (sign) of the event of Ramadan will be a fire in the sky like the necks of camels or like iron columns. If you see it, prepare for your family food supplies for a year." Or perhaps he (Kathir bin Murra) said: "The Aya of the event is a column of fire originating from the sky." (Ibn Al-Shajari's Al-Amali Al-Shajaria)"

Source used: http://www.discoveringislam.org/signs_before_mahdi.htm

During winter..NOTHING grows. Especially COLD WINTERS. Every kind of crops has certain temperatures that it can cope out with. Some vegetation can withstand frost..but an ice age??..!!..

A winter especially snow and ice is sort of watering every year. In the Middle East we see that during summer places are so hot and everything is dead. But during spring everything becomes green because of the snow irrigating the land that melts during spring.

So based on this little knowledge and Allah knows best one could say the coming 13 years gonna get hellish for Muslims and non-Muslims a like. Which fits in my conclusion based on what is going on right now worldwide the Mahdi has to arrive within 10-30 years. Mostly a very huge factor in this is, the amount of people sheytan convinces them to be the Mahdi. The last years the amount of people have become A LOT that say this. iblies knows more than us as he has witnessed every prophet from Adam(as) to Muhammad(saws). So to create confusion among the Muslims that are alive just convince people to say they are the Mahdi. At the end when the real one would come people thinking this is just another "lunatic".

 

[talibilm]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Ooh I thought you have heard of those Ahadith about end times. That everything (Arab deserts) will go back to how it was as in the time of Adam (as). That a believer will only worry that he doesn't get lost. That plant will grow that haven't grown since the time of Adam (as). Even science has proven that those deserts were once vast amount of woods..all green a d stuff. If you go though deserts in saudi Arabia you will even find remainigs of shell fish. Why did you think there was so much oil underneath those deserts?...about the gold part that I'm gonna start doing the research.

I had heard this '' There will be attempts to make the deserts green''

but your post which said it will be as it was before made me google and found this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad-p-b-u-h-about-end-times.288369/


Narrated by Abu Hurairah, Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "The Hour (of Resurrection/Judgment day) will not occur, until the land of the Arabs returns to being pastures and rivers." (Sahih Muslim).

A variation of this Hadith also appears in Musnad of Imam Ahmad:

"The Hour (of Resurrection) will not occur until the Arabian Peninsula returns, as it used to be, paradises and rivers." (Musnad Ahmad)

Jazakallah khair,I never took note of it

so its not just 10's of milleniums but we are talking at least how many millenniums ?

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

I had heard this '' There will be attempts to make the deserts green''

but your post which said it will be as it was before made me google and found this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad-p-b-u-h-about-end-times.288369/


Narrated by Abu Hurairah, Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "The Hour (of Resurrection/Judgment day) will not occur, until the land of the Arabs returns to being pastures and rivers." (Sahih Muslim).

A variation of this Hadith also appears in Musnad of Imam Ahmad:

"The Hour (of Resurrection) will not occur until the Arabian Peninsula returns, as it used to be, paradises and rivers." (Musnad Ahmad)

Jazakallah khair,I never took note of it

so its not just 10's of milleniums but we are talking at least how many millenniums ?

How many millenniums, that Allah knows best. You guys need to provide some knowledge as you know more than me. We know in the time of Eesa(as) that Maryam(ra) had given birth underneath a palm tree. Palm trees to my knowledge grow only in desert or hot like areas. So in the time of Eesa (as), it was also desert in the Middle East (2000 years back). If we further go back, we come to Musa(as) and hear the story of 40 years wondering in the desert, so also with that we hear the story of Moses(as) and pharaoh. Some say it was around 1300 BC because of Ramses 2 being that pharaoh. So this goes back 3300 years back and still desert in the Middle East.


Story of Ibrahim(as)..Hagar(ra) and Ishmael (as) ..desert..

Story of Salih(as)..with the story of the camel. Why would the people ask to see as a sign a camel if the habitat they were living was not desert? A person in 1500 AD in Europe would not ask a camel as a sign you know..rather a horse based on logic.

Prophet Hud(as) ..Surah Al-Ahqaf -

Translations of the name
The Dunes, The Sandhills, The Sand-Dunes

Again..desert

We go further back to Prophet Nuh(as) and the flood. We know that his boat had settled on mount Judi. A flood is..water. Water can irrigate land, although that doesn't mean land will stay irrigated as clouds don't come and keep providing water to the land. So with this we are still not wiser.

However we do know that trees and vegetation in general need good drainage. When the roots of trees are in water and stay in water it will drown and the tree will die. So with a flood one can say that IF there was a forest back before the flood ..the flood may have caused to be removed much of the vegetation.

From there on, my memory has abandoned me maybe you guys can fill it in with Edris (as) for example as also till Prophet Nuh(as) we know he had the height i BELIEVE like Adam(as)..about 60 meters...so giants.

I took again a look at the prophets and if i am not mistaken between Prophet Edris and Prophet Nuh were no messengers for a long time because people listened to righteous people at that time but were not prophets and thus stayed on the right path. However those Prophets lived very long 500-1000 years if am not wrong. We also know that Prophets came generation after generation (for example Ibrahim (AS) and Ishmael (AS) father and son) or even were alive during same generation (for example Ibrahim (as) and Lut (as) as family members). So it COULD be that still within 23.000 years but Allah knows best about that.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Saudi was green

How many millenniums ago ?, Bro,

and gold , in the sense ? i never heard of them both

Could you please substantiate on these with some ref ,links. bro.

Jazakallah khair.

Sure bro, you will find these references in the Old Testament Torah. Now, before we all start giving it the "it's corrupted" talk. Please understand what was corrupted in the Old Testament Torah - for the sake of brevity, I'll tell you - the laws were corrupted. Not much else. But the laws are a BIG deal. Now that we have that out of the way, let's see if that which is not corrupted, is helpful in any way in this study in sha Allah.

Arabia was a land of gold merchants in Ancient times and it was also green once - and the greenery became lost over time after the flood, as waters recessed under ground and left Arabia a desert.

We start with the gold references (there are many more but I don't have much time so I have only listed a few)

Also all the kings of Arabia and the governors of the territories brought gold and silver to Solomon. - 2 Chronicles 9:14

South Arabian merchants utilized the Incense Route to transport not only frankincense and myrrh but also spices, gold, ivory, pearls, precious stones, and textiles—all of which arrived at the local ports from Africa, India, and the Far East. The geographer Strabo compared the immense traffic along the desert routes to that of an army. The Incense Route ran along the western edge of Arabia’s central desert about 100 miles inland from the Red Sea coast; Pliny the Elder stated that the journey consisted of sixty-five stages divided by halts for the camels. Both the Nabateans and the South Arabians grew tremendously wealthy through the transport of goods destined for lands beyond the Arabian Peninsula. SOURCE

OPHIR - Ophir is a district first mentioned in the Old Testament Torah as a Joktanite / South Arabian tribe (Genesis 29 et seq.) Ophir later became a port destination for the Prophet and King Solomon's (pbuh) fleet. From the records, King Solomon received 420 talents of gold.

The most probable view is that Ophir was situated in Arabia. This is indicated, as mentioned above, by the Biblical reference in Gen. x. 29. An old tradition recorded by Eupolemus (c. 150 B.C.) also assigns Ophir to this region, identifying it with the island of Uphre in the Red Sea. Both the east and west coasts have been considered as the site. Glaser assigns Ophir to the east coast, in view of the three years' voyage, which would be much too long if it were on the west coast; and he also compares it with the cunciform name "Apir" applied to the northeast and the northwest coast of the Persian Gulf. The Arabic geographer Hamadani says that gold-mines were situated in the northeastern part of Arabia. Glaser locates Havilah here (Gen. ii. 11) and identifies Ophir with the coast district belonging to it. SOURCE - Jewish Encyclopaedia

Moving onto ancient times pre-dating the Torah narratives: In this study you will find articles and information relating to the idea that Arabia was a lush green nation in Ancient times, below I have listed only one reference but I find that this reference is a key to finding way more information about Arabia being green once upon a time -

The Hejaz includes both the Mahd adh-Dhahab (Arabic: مَـهـد الـذّهـب‎‎, "Cradle of (the) Gold") (23°30′12.96″N 40°51′34.92″E) and a water source, now dried out, that used to flow 600 miles (970 km) north east to the Persian Gulf via the Wadi Al-Rummah and Wadi Al-Batin system. Archaeological research led by of Boston University and the University of Qassim indicates that the river system was active in 8000 BCE and 2500–3000 BCE. Source: Wikipedia - multiple references cited in original article.

Following on from this train of thought, I ask you to look at the hadeeth of the Mahdi AS. You will find many references within the wiki article itself but don't stop there - use that as a starting point and find other routes of investigation which comparatively paint the rest in - if Allah wills.

Abu Sa'id al-Khudari, a close associate of the Prophet says:
I heard the Prophet declare from the pulpit: "The Mahdi from among my descendants, from my family, will rise at the End of Time, while the heavens will pour rain and the earth will bring forth green grass for him. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with tyranny and injustice” - Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, p. 74; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 7, p. 9.

Contrast this also with the hadeeth previously mentioned where the Mahdi will fill the shirt of the poor man with gold and silver till it overflows.

Most importantly, keep searching, use the Qur'an as your foundation - and the Ahadeeth as your first point of reference - barring these the whole world is yours to investigate in sha Allah. I could just post my findings here, but it won't be the same as you investigating this yourself and discovering the awe and wonder of Allah manifesting HIS will on earth in ways that will humble you wonderfully and be needy of HIS mercy in discovering more truth, God willing.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

The mountain of gold in Euphrates river is different than the gold mahdi will give out.

No one knows that, so stop playing guessing games with an air of mock authority bro lol.

Arabia used to be green and will turn to that soon as well.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150223-arabia-was-once-a-lush-paradise

Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم said: " The Hour (of Resurrection) will not occur..... until the land of the Arabs returns to being pastures and rivers." (Sahih Muslim).

This prophecy has started to materialize:

A Muslim man named Zaheer has recently reported on his blog ( http://zaheersblog.blogspot.com ) that he went to Saudi Arabia to perform Umrah. He went to Madina first and then Makka. On June 27, 2010, on his way to Makka, may be about twenty five miles from it, he started noticing greenery. The whole desert looked like a faint green meadow. This greenery was not the result of some intentional gardening or landscaping. This is what used to be a bare desert and it is miles and miles of land.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Majeed al-Zandaani said:


Professor Alfred Kroner, one of the most famous geologists in the world, attended a geological conference in the College of Earth Sciences in the King ‘Abd al-‘Azeez University. I said to him: Do you have any proof that Arabia was once gardens and rivers? He said: Yes, this is well known to us and it is a scientific fact. Geologists know this because if you dig in any area you will find signs that tell you that this land used to be meadows and rivers. There is a lot of evidence.


I said to him: Do you have any evidence that Arabia will once again become meadows and rivers? He said: This is something real and proven. We geologists know it and measure it and calculate it. We can say approximately when it will happen, and it is not far off, it is quite close. I said: Why? He said: Because we have studied the history of the earth in the past, and we have found that it passes through many stages, one of which is the ice ages. What does ice age mean? It means that a certain amount of sea water turns into ice and collects at the North Pole, then it begins to shift towards the south, and when it shifts towards the south it covers whatever is beneath it, and the climate on earth changes. Among the climatic changes is the change that takes place in Arabia, where the weather becomes cold and Arabia becomes one of the lands which has the most rain and rivers on earth.

Your source - Ummah.com - please cite your sources so members can check, thank you.

To add to and flesh out in greater detail what you have shared, I share here with you, a word document which I sent to Ahmad Gassama some months ago.

In Genesis (Old Testament Torah chapter), it talks about the four great rivers from Eden : The Phison, the Gihon, the Euphrates and the Tigris.

The Phison and the Gihon were stemming from the gulf but they are no longer known after Noah’s flood.
Sea levels were lower before the flood but after it, they raised higher and the ozone layer was compacted which resulted in many different effects. Paleoclimatologosts have studied the effects and reported their theories.

Some of which was that the two rivers of The Phison and the Gihon were crushed by natural dams caused by the flood. There is a natural fault line which passes along the Arabian dessert, defining the borders of the dessert and the eastern coast. The fault line must be located in the red line,

You can clearly see where the Pishon river runs into Arabia in ancient times - this info is cited here: http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/biblical-garden-of-eden.html the blue line that snakes west then meanders south flowing into the Hejaz areas of old. The waters ran dry and went into the earth where they settled in an underground aquifer.

If Arabia becomes green again, the fruits trees that would grow from the land would be from ancient seeds deeply buried under the sands, the same sands which will be washed away into mud.

These seeds would grow into trees that give ancient fruits, th size of which were much larger than the varieties we have today, Allahu alam. The seeds would have been preserved since pre-Noah’s (pbuh) times right up to 2,500BCE and Allah knows best!

The question remains : Where is the well of Zamzam getting its water from ?

Could it be possible that the trapped aquifers from the Phison are feeding it ?

Now if there was a river then it makes sense that settlements would have been built around them, ancient cities and towns all buried under the sands… These cities and towns would harbour ancient wealth, from a time when gold was abundant in Arabia. Arabia was a land of gold mines in the ancient times of the pre-flood era.

The area where the river will flow, will be lush with vegetation and trees and so the temperature of those areas will greatly reduce to facilitate a very comfortable living environment. Trees provide shade and they perspire a cooler air around them. Making those areas where the river flows through into a contiguous oasis.

If the dam breaks – the river will flow and Arabia will become the worlds PRIME REAL ESTATE !

And it will be all for the Muslims !

It is adream that will be one day a reality in-sha’Allah

Entire towns, villages and cities will be built and settled and there are not enough Arabs to fill them, and so the Muslims will come from everywhere because 75% of Arabia is a desert ! And this in sha Allah will reduce greatly.

THE MAHDI

AbuSaeed al-Khudri said I heard that the Messenger of Allah صلىالله عليه وسلمsay:" A leader will emerge from your leaders. He will distributemore than can ever be counted. A man will come and ask for goods, andhe (the leader) will tell him to take what he wants. That man willspread out his shirt and fill it with goods. The Messenger of Allah صلىالله عليه وسلمspreadout a thick shirt he was wearing, showing how that man will be atthat time, and then gathered up the corners of that garment and said,this is how that man will collect his goods and carry them away."(Ibn Kathir's book Nihayafi Fitan & Al-Malahim)

عنأبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه قال :قالرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
يخرجفي آخر أمتي المهدي يسيقه الله الغيثوتخرج الأرض نباتها ويعطي المال صحاحاًوتكثر الماشية وتعظم الأمة يعيش سبعاًأو ثمانياً يعني حججاً))رواهالحاكم في المستدرك وقال صحيح، وقالالالباني حديث صحيح
AbuSaeed al-Khudri said: the Messenger of Allah صلىالله عليه وسلمsaid:"At the end of Umma, the Mahdi will appear. Allah will give him water as a relief. The Land will sprouts plants. He will give away money. The cattle will increase in number. The Umma (nation) will become magnificent. He will live for 7 or 8, meaning Hajj seasons (years)." (Al-Hakim'sAl-Mustadrak, Al-Albany classified it as Sahih)

Kepp going - keep investigating, do not limit your horizons.

Scimi

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

No one knows that, so stop playing guessing games with an air of mock authority bro lol.

Yes, we do know that. You just need to learn more about Islam and you will see it. What you are doing is studying bibles and over thinking with your own deductions, which are wrong.

We have plenty of authentic islamic sources, lectures and consensus of the jammah.
Euphrates river will reveal a mountain worth of gold and 99 out of 100 will die over it.
The gold mahdi will get is the gold that is part of the treasure buried under the kaba by the Jurhum tribe. They feared a neighboring tribe from attacking and so they gathered all their gold and buried it there as well as covered up zamzam well.

Your source - Ummah.com - please cite your sources so members can check, thank you.


Scimi

No, it was not ummah.com. It was the web. And I don't care for the bible and torah you keep quoting, we do not take from corrupted books. Per islam, we know they were green ones and they will return to that. Per science community, they were green once and they will return. End of story.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

we do not take from corrupted books. Per islam, we know they were green ones and they will return to that. Per science community, they were green once and they will return. End of story.

This is rather childish approach i must say. Nobody is saying you MUST take it, but a WISE person takes all the knowledge then step by step removes what is contradictory and gives possible conclusions.

So lets say that our understanding ONLY based on Islamic sources with this we come to certain outcomes, but i believe A LOT ..i mean A LOT of ahadith haven't been even translated so with that amount of untranslated knowledge might be other crucial information. So the conclusion is based on very very very few translated ahadith and the Qur'an.

If you ALSO just for the sake of investigating, research also their sources(Bible) you can say it is POSSIBLE based on ONLY Islamic source mountain of gold is located at location X, while based on also other information it is located at location Y. Then you can work out the rest of the possibilities of which kind of people might go and kill each other and based on what. It is just simple conclusions but doesn't mean it is 100% truth. Everything that based on logic, rationality and reason i try to figure out in ahadith for example i may accept 99.9% but never 100%, because i can always be wrong. Till now even about hadith competing with each other who has the highest building..i do not accept with 100% that it is being talked about our current times. Everything says yes it is, but always keep a margin of error, this margin of error is being wise. Women naked but dressed, this 10-15 years back was already like that, however now a days clothes have become even MORE tight than they were ever before. So also with this i say i accept with 99.9% accuracy, but possibility that it may be in the future that we are not even aware of..is very plausible.

Why is this my approach? There are people that believe already 100% of all those things and sell all their stuff prepare do take off as if tomorrow Mahdi is coming or so. But years might go by and still nothing. So i always say..do prepare..but always keep in mind that you might be wrong and keep one leg in your home and one leg outside.

btw, what is up with you guys disrespecting ummah.com? (Just out of curiosity, not that i am active there).

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

This is rather childish approach i must say. Nobody is saying you MUST take it, but a WISE person takes all the knowledge then step by step removes what is contradictory and gives possible conclusions.

No, rather it's the right way to process in doing one's research. If you are going to look at all the news articles to analyze them for a research, you will not entertain the idea of looking at tabloids as valid news source. I already saw the information he shared when i was looking online. They were mentioned Eden and stuff, so are they trying to say the Garden of Eden was on Earth now? I dismissed such information as inaccurate and moved on. And the fact of the matter is, we don't really need to know all that which cannot be proved true. All we need to know is what can be proven which the hadith and the geologicaly scientists confirm.

btw, what is up with you guys disrespecting ummah.com? (Just out of curiosity, not that i am active there).

I don't go there so i don't know about them. Ask him.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

No, rather it's the right way to process in doing one's research. If you are going to look at all the news articles to analyze them for a research, you will not entertain the idea of looking at tabloids as valid news source. I already saw the information he shared when i was looking online. They were mentioned Eden and stuff, so are they trying to say the Garden of Eden was on Earth now? I dismissed such information as inaccurate and moved on. And the fact of the matter is, we don't really need to know all that which cannot be proved true. All we need to know is what can be proven which the hadith and the geologicaly scientists confirm.



I don't go there so i don't know about them. Ask him.

When i saw his comment, about garden of Eden, i remembered that i also had saw a documentary or read something about that. What i remembered about it was that they really had branded it as REAL garden of Eden not just some beautiful and blessed place on earth. But i haven't heard about the two other rivers although i am kind of curious if there are no other Islamic sources that mention those rivers. So my i am only interested in those rivers only...and while i am at it..looking up the history of tigris and euphrates.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Yes, we do know that. You just need to learn more about Islam and you will see it. What you are doing is studying bibles and over thinking with your own deductions, which are wrong.

Blanket statement - no debunk. You seem to be at a loss for actually debating here, or adding to the discussion. Interesting.

We have plenty of authentic islamic sources, lectures and consensus of the jammah.
Euphrates river will reveal a mountain worth of gold and 99 out of 100 will die over it.

None of which, actually give you any clarity - which is why members posting in this thread are still investigating the "eupthrates mountain of gold" lol.

The gold mahdi will get is the gold that is part of the treasure buried under the kaba by the Jurhum tribe. They feared a neighboring tribe from attacking and so they gathered all their gold and buried it there as well as covered up zamzam well.

Bro, what the heck are you talking about history for when we are studying the end times in a different context? lol

It was reported from Sa'eed bin Sa'man that he heard Abu Hurrairah RA telling Abu Qatadah that Allah's Messenger pbuh said:
"Allegiance will be sworn to a man between the Rukn and the Maqam (the Mahdi), and no one will violate the sanctity of this house except it's own people. When they violate it, do not ask about the destruction of the Arabs. Then the Abyssinian's will come and destroy it in such a way that it will never be rebuilt, and they are the ones who will extract its treasures." bukhari

The scholarly understanding is that this hadeeth does not contradict the hadeeth of Aisha RA where she said the Prophet pbuh said "an army will attack the kaaba and when they reach an area of plain ground, the earth will swallow up the first and the last of them" bukhari

Ibn Hajar wrote in his book Fath al Bari, in the chapter about the destruction of the kaaba and "This indicates there will be attacks against the kaaba, one time Allah will destroy them before they reach it and another time Allah will permit them to reach it. The apparent meaning is that the attack of those who will destroy it will happen after the first attack". Fath al Bari, Kitabul Hajj, Bab hadam al Kaaba.

Directly contradicting your stance. You just need to learn more about Islam and you will see it.

It was the web. And I don't care for the bible and torah you keep quoting, we do not take from corrupted books. Per islam, we know they were green ones and they will return to that. Per science community, they were green once and they will return. End of story.

Sources from "The web". Investigates biblical lore. Doesn't care to investigate the historical worth of the Bible(s)... interesting

Scimi

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Blanket statement - no debunk. You seem to be at a loss for actually debating here, or adding to the discussion. Interesting.


Bro, what the heck are you talking about history for when we are studying the end times in a different context? lol

It was reported from Sa'eed bin Sa'man that he heard Abu Hurrairah RA telling Abu Qatadah that Allah's Messenger pbuh said:
"Allegiance will be sworn to a man between the Rukn and the Maqam (the Mahdi), and no one will violate the sanctity of this house except it's own people. When they violate it, do not ask about the destruction of the Arabs. Then the Abyssinian's will come and destroy it in such a way that it will never be rebuilt, and they are the ones who will extract its treasures." bukhari

The scholarly understanding is that this hadeeth does not contradict the hadeeth of Aisha RA where she said the Prophet pbuh said "an army will attack the kaaba and when they reach an area of plain ground, the earth will swallow up the first and the last of them" bukhari

Ibn Hajar wrote in his book Fath al Bari, in the chapter about the destruction of the kaaba and "This indicates there will be attacks against the kaaba, one time Allah will destroy them before they reach it and another time Allah will permit them to reach it. The apparent meaning is that the attack of those who will destroy it will happen after the first attack". Fath al Bari, Kitabul Hajj, Bab hadam al Kaaba.

Scimi

Bro,

You have some of the information but you are confused about putting it together. You are trying to put the pieces of the puzzle where they do not belong.

 

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Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Brother you should retract that last bit and apply it to yourself. I've shown the error of your assumption by posting ahadeeth with commentaries and coupled with historical insights which in turn are also correlated with the old testament - what have you bought here son? The web??? Your web made you think the treasure under the kaaba was the mahdi's lol. I directly debunked that with the book I referenced written by Ibn Hajar, you're the one who is

trying to put the pieces of the puzzle where they do not belong.

The irony does not take a back seat with me

Seriously bro, take a break. Read a book.

Scimi

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

I'm not interested in a winning contest. You are free to be believe what you want. I would encourage you to continue searching on this and not rest thinking you have the answer.

 

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Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

I'm not interested in a winning contest.

It's very sad that you see the pursuit of investigation as "winning a contest". You should back out of these discourses, clearly they do not suit you and you are not qualified intellectually to contribute anything of any worth.

Very sad to see the state of Muslims degenerate to this. May Allah preserve us ameen.

You are free to be believe what you want. I would encourage you to continue searching on this and not rest thinking you have the answer.

Brother you are in no position to encourage anyone, going by the red herrings you've left on this thread But thanks for the thought anyway. So I return you the favour and actually give you some advice - learn methodology, don't sink. Enough Muslims "sink" into degenerative discourse because they are trumped by those who actually know how to "investigate" - meanwhile bro, there's you, someone who is out of his depth and relegated to admitting his research is "internet". No method, nothing.

Honestly, with due care I advise you - learn methodology, then study - because you've not proven anything except your ignorance, unfortunately.

God bless you.

Scimi

 

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Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Sure bro, you will find these references in the Old Testament Torah. Now, before we all start giving it the "it's corrupted" talk. Please understand what was corrupted in the Old Testament Torah - for the sake of brevity, I'll tell you - the laws were corrupted. Not much else. But the laws are a BIG deal. Now that we have that out of the way, let's see if that which is not corrupted, is helpful in any way in this study in sha Allah.

Arabia was a land of gold merchants in Ancient times and it was also green once - and the greenery became lost over time after the flood, as waters recessed under ground and left Arabia a desert.

We start with the gold references (there are many more but I don't have much time so I have only listed a few)

Also all the kings of Arabia and the governors of the territories brought gold and silver to Solomon. - 2 Chronicles 9:14

South Arabian merchants utilized the Incense Route to transport not only frankincense and myrrh but also spices, gold, ivory, pearls, precious stones, and textiles—all of which arrived at the local ports from Africa, India, and the Far East. The geographer Strabo compared the immense traffic along the desert routes to that of an army. The Incense Route ran along the western edge of Arabia’s central desert about 100 miles inland from the Red Sea coast; Pliny the Elder stated that the journey consisted of sixty-five stages divided by halts for the camels. Both the Nabateans and the South Arabians grew tremendously wealthy through the transport of goods destined for lands beyond the Arabian Peninsula. SOURCE

OPHIR - Ophir is a district first mentioned in the Old Testament Torah as a Joktanite / South Arabian tribe (Genesis 29 et seq.) Ophir later became a port destination for the Prophet and King Solomon's (pbuh) fleet. From the records, King Solomon received 420 talents of gold.

The most probable view is that Ophir was situated in Arabia. This is indicated, as mentioned above, by the Biblical reference in Gen. x. 29. An old tradition recorded by Eupolemus (c. 150 B.C.) also assigns Ophir to this region, identifying it with the island of Uphre in the Red Sea. Both the east and west coasts have been considered as the site. Glaser assigns Ophir to the east coast, in view of the three years' voyage, which would be much too long if it were on the west coast; and he also compares it with the cunciform name "Apir" applied to the northeast and the northwest coast of the Persian Gulf. The Arabic geographer Hamadani says that gold-mines were situated in the northeastern part of Arabia. Glaser locates Havilah here (Gen. ii. 11) and identifies Ophir with the coast district belonging to it. SOURCE - Jewish Encyclopaedia

Moving onto ancient times pre-dating the Torah narratives: In this study you will find articles and information relating to the idea that Arabia was a lush green nation in Ancient times, below I have listed only one reference but I find that this reference is a key to finding way more information about Arabia being green once upon a time -

The Hejaz includes both the Mahd adh-Dhahab (Arabic: مَـهـد الـذّهـب‎‎, "Cradle of (the) Gold") (23°30′12.96″N 40°51′34.92″E) and a water source, now dried out, that used to flow 600 miles (970 km) north east to the Persian Gulf via the Wadi Al-Rummah and Wadi Al-Batin system. Archaeological research led by of Boston University and the University of Qassim indicates that the river system was active in 8000 BCE and 2500–3000 BCE. Source: Wikipedia - multiple references cited in original article.

Following on from this train of thought, I ask you to look at the hadeeth of the Mahdi AS. You will find many references within the wiki article itself but don't stop there - use that as a starting point and find other routes of investigation which comparatively paint the rest in - if Allah wills.

Abu Sa'id al-Khudari, a close associate of the Prophet says:
I heard the Prophet declare from the pulpit: "The Mahdi from among my descendants, from my family, will rise at the End of Time, while the heavens will pour rain and the earth will bring forth green grass for him. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with tyranny and injustice” - Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, p. 74; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 7, p. 9.

Contrast this also with the hadeeth previously mentioned where the Mahdi will fill the shirt of the poor man with gold and silver till it overflows.

Most importantly, keep searching, use the Qur'an as your foundation - and the Ahadeeth as your first point of reference - barring these the whole world is yours to investigate in sha Allah. I could just post my findings here, but it won't be the same as you investigating this yourself and discovering the awe and wonder of Allah manifesting HIS will on earth in ways that will humble you wonderfully and be needy of HIS mercy in discovering more truth, God willing.

Scimi

Bro,

I read this post yesterday but i did not vote a '' Like " for it because it includes the above bolded red point which goes against my own research & opinion on the OT.

Yes I could agree on the worldly and geographical part of the OT which does not effect their Religion or our Religion itself and OT points to the existence of Mecca as Bacca as i have pointed in this thread
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthre...lgrimage-to-MECCA-INTERESTING-Insight-by-a-JE

But in other fields IMHO it does not stand to get the same credibility which it got from the times of our Prophet :saws: which i have reiterated in this thread including its restructuring in the 8th century which is well planned by the Shrewdest people on the Earth and dumping the Chapter of song of Songs from the main Torah to the lesser important Ketuvim with a FAKE background LOVERS STORY only because it has the name of Prophet Muhammad EXPLICITLY , so as to disprove the Noble Quran . The fanatics (zionists) of them are even refusing Exodus of Moses for nothing else EXCEPT to disprove the Noble Quran which is the FIRST UTMOST TARGET so they never let a stone unturned to disprove Islam and its Book and its Noble Prophet.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?419669-Did-the-Name-of-Yahweh-replaced-Allah-and-why

 

[aaj]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

. You should back out of these discourses, clearly they do not suit you and you are not qualified intellectually to contribute anything of any worth.

this coming from someone who thinks yajuj and majuj have already been released?

maybe you're intellectually not even there where i'm standing with all this.

Which is why i said, you are welcome to believe what you want but i encourage you to keep researching. You are not there yet in your research and conclusion where I stand. So while you go with your hubris in your conclusions and libel against me, i 'll leave you to your eureka.