Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

[Bobbyflay23]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Ok so I'm open to the bleife of them being outside in the real world allready but I think there's one problem with that idea wouldn't that mean that isa alyhi wasalm would be in the mountains with all the Muslims hiding from them because most belive that if they where out side in the real world that it would be the Americans and English people but they have been out here for centuries so isas people would have died inside of the mountain while isas still alive and also there would be no Muslims out here they would all be inside the mountain im very open to the idea tho that's just the only problem I see with it also al Mahdi hasn't came yet and that's the last sign before the major signs start and yujuj and majuj are a major sign and major signs don't start until all the minor signs are fufilled because the point of a major signs is to say that the end is v v close minor signs mean that major signs will be there soon

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Ooh I thought you have heard of those Ahadith about end times. That everything (Arab deserts) will go back to how it was as in the time of Adam (as). That a believer will only worry that he doesn't get lost. That plant will grow that haven't grown since the time of Adam (as). Even science has proven that those deserts were once vast amount of woods..all green a d stuff. If you go though deserts in saudio Arabia you will even find remainigs of shell fish. Why did you think there was so much oil underneath those deserts?...about the gold part that I'm gonna start doing the research.

maybe the trees in Arabia were VERY big, considering that The Prophet Adam :as: was very tall. And maybe the whole area of SAND was full of greenery and water.

Allahu alam.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

this coming from someone who thinks yajuj and majuj have already been released?

maybe you're intellectually not even there where i'm standing with all this.

Which is why i said, you are welcome to believe what you want but i encourage you to keep researching. You are not there yet in your research and conclusion where I stand. So while you go with your hubris in your conclusions and libel against me, i 'll leave you to your eureka.

You accuse him of not searching further and having settled at his own conclusion as being the truth (which I agree with you), yet you do the same.by having a firm believe that yajuj and majuj have not being released. There are hints one could say they have been released so staying firm on "no they have not been released" or staying firm on "they have been released" are both wrong approaches if you ask me. As in both cases there is no FIRM conclusions either one is the absolute truth..so don't treat it as absolute conclusion.
[MENTION=31950]Scimitar[/MENTION] for you bro..I am not sure that this is how you in general have discussion with people I only want to say that reading your comments look very arrogantly. I could be off course wrong and only person here who sees your comments it like that.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

maybe the trees in Arabia were VERY big, considering that The Prophet Adam :as: was very tall. And maybe the whole area of SAND was full of greenery and water.

Allahu alam.

Well remembering parts of the story of Prophet Nuh (as). When he was building the boat he had help from a man who was bigger than him.so it could be that not all the trees where big. On the other hand they could be very well if we look at those gigantic dinosaurs (plant eaters). They were big but were planteaters like a giraffe eating from tall trees. So big large trees could also have existed. Another thing that just came to my mind is a Hadith that talks about the fruit of the end times that from 1 fruit multiple people can eat from. To have such large fruit a tree has to have a firm large base and big root growth for suckling up water and other minerals from the ground.

As we also know from hadith is that vegetation like trees etc. will grow that have not grown since the time of Adam ( as ). This is logical because a seed can stay dorment in its husk till the husk rots because of moisture and the seed gets access to water. So as we know that the deserts in Arabia were forests once, it is very plausible that these seeds are hidden under the sand. Also I saw once a documentary talking about the Amazon rainforest. ThE narrator said that the Sahara desert is blown all over the Atlantic Ocean to the Amazon rainforest and furtlizes the ground as it contains a lot of minerals.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Bro,

I read this post yesterday but i did not vote a '' Like " for it because it includes the above bolded red point which goes against my own research & opinion on the OT.

Yes I could agree on the worldly and geographical part of the OT which does not effect their Religion or our Religion itself and OT points to the existence of Mecca as Bacca as i have pointed in this thread
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthre...lgrimage-to-MECCA-INTERESTING-Insight-by-a-JE

Wa'alaykum as salaam.

That's fine. I presented some research which you do not wish to weigh and you gave your reasons. You have your own mind and your own way of learning which is good mashaAllah.

I agree with the Baca reference as well, nothing new there - it;s all regurgitated research which most Muslims will have no issues accepting.

That's neither here nor there though.

Theologically, the Torah is sound - in practice of Law, it is corrupted and in some other matters it is contradictory due to the "lying pen of the scribes" (jeremiah 8 reference) which if you consider on context alone, let's you know exactly the forms of corruption within. Many parts of the Old Testament are historically sound and biblical archaeology is a science gaining momentum from both religious and irreligious circles across the world.

But in other fields IMHO it does not stand to get the same credibility which it got from our Prophet :saws:

Nothing abrogates what the Prophet Muhammad pbuh said. Not sure where you are going with this or what you are attempting to paint here - but like you, lol, I am also a Muslim, my prime inference is the Qur'an, my secondary inference is the Sunnah/Ahadeeth and these two I have confirmed with the Bible(s), comparative history and investigative methodologies - all have served to inspire an ever growing reliance on the Qur'an - do you feel the same too?

times which i have reiterated in this thread including its restructuring which is well planned by the Shrewdest people on the Earth and dumping the Chapter of song of Songs from the main Torah to the lesser important Ketuvim with a FAKE background LOVERS STORY just to disprove the Noble Quran . The fanatics (zionists) of them are even refusing Exodus of Moses for nothing else EXCEPT to disprove the Noble Quran which is the FIRST UTMOST TARGET so they never let a stone untrurned to disprove Islam and its Book and its Noble Prophet.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?419669-Did-the-Name-of-Yahweh-replaced-Allah-and-why

It's funny you mention songs of solomon 5:16 - on Religious Education forum (REforum) the Jewish mods banned me because I cornered the Jews with their own theological caveat.

No one has done that before to my knowledge - Allah alam.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

@Scimitar for you bro..I am not sure that this is how you in general have discussion with people I only want to say that reading your comments look very arrogantly. I could be off course wrong and only person here who sees your comments it like that.

Forgiven.

Confidence is quite often mistaken for arrogance. It's hard to tell on the web.

Scimi

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Well remembering parts of the story of Prophet Nuh (as). When he was building the boat he had help from a man who was bigger than him.so it could be that not all the trees where big. On the other hand they could be very well if we look at those gigantic dinosaurs (plant eaters). They were big but were planteaters like a giraffe eating from tall trees. So big large trees could also have existed. Another thing that just came to my mind is a Hadith that talks about the fruit of the end times that from 1 fruit multiple people can eat from. To have such large fruit a tree has to have a firm large base and big root growth for suckling up water and other minerals from the ground.

As we also know from hadith is that vegetation like trees etc. will grow that have not grown since the time of Adam ( as ). This is logical because a seed can stay dorment in its husk till the husk rots because of moisture and the seed gets access to water. So as we know that the deserts in Arabia were forests once, it is very plausible that these seeds are hidden under the sand. Also I saw once a documentary talking about the Amazon rainforest. ThE narrator said that the Sahara desert is blown all over the Atlantic Ocean to the Amazon rainforest and furtlizes the ground as it contains a lot of minerals.

So you are saying that Sahara desert provides mineralse for Amazon Rainforest all over Atlantic Ocean?

Either way, this is amazing!! Jannah will be even more fascinating.

Allahu

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

So you are saying that Sahara desert provides mineralse for Amazon Rainforest all over Atlantic Ocean?

Either way, this is amazing!! Jannah will be even more fascinating.

Allahu

As trees die and leaves die..what it contains in them (minerals) also becomes to the soil. That is why at places that one has planted years of vegetation like vegetables and trees, the soil becomes depleted of the minerals new vegetation it needs to grow healthier and stronger. Just as we human beings for example need calcium and many other minerals as well as vitamins. So the soil that you might plant vegetation is added extra nutrition like compost, or animal manure or you could even use human excrements as this is even MORE nutritious to the plants because our diet varies more than of animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7lVGhTPQAY

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

As trees die and leaves die..what it contains in them (minerals) also becomes to the soil. That is why at places that one has planted years of vegetation like vegetables and trees, the soil becomes depleted of the minerals new vegetation it needs to grow healthier and stronger. Just as we human beings for example need calcium and many other minerals as well as vitamins. So the soil that you might plant vegetation is added extra nutrition like compost, or animal manure or you could even use human excrements as this is even MORE nutritious to the plants because our diet varies more than of animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7lVGhTPQAY

SubhanAllah,

From the video, Sahara sand contains phosphorous which is important for plant growth. The sand gets transported to The tropic area. About 27 million tons goes to the Rain Forest Amazon.
From the video, we know that Tropical areas has very limited amount of phosphorous, so the sahara sand helps maintain the tropical areas. Without the Sahara sand, one could say, because of the limited amount of phosphorous, it might have died out.


SubhanAllah. I see soo much intelligence in this creation. Why in this? Usually, we have learnt in school that things ADAPT to their environment, but here, it is quite different. It is not an adaptation. Why has the Tropical Area not adapted itself? Sahara sand helps it.

Allahu alam.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

SubhanAllah,

From the video, Sahara sand contains phosphorous which is important for plant growth. The sand gets transported to The tropic area. About 27 million tons goes to the Rain Forest Amazon.
From the video, we know that Tropical areas has very limited amount of phosphorous, so the sahara sand helps maintain the tropical areas. Without the Sahara sand, one could say, because of the limited amount of phosphorous, it might have died out.


SubhanAllah. I see soo much intelligence in this creation. Why in this? Usually, we have learnt in school that things ADAPT to their environment, but here, it is quite different. It is not an adaptation. Why has the Tropical Area not adapted itself? Sahara sand helps it.

Allahu alam.

School now a days teaches you things that can help to benefit economy, not things that make you want to gain more knowledge and see more ayaat of Allah(swt). I am myself not a big fan of the education of modern time, as it has become a mass factory of creating robots instead of spreading knowledge. I love knowledge but hate schools especially universities and such.

 

[Serinity]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

School now a days teaches you things that can help to benefit economy, not things that make you want to gain more knowledge and see more ayaat of Allah(swt). I am myself not a big fan of the education of modern time, as it has become a mass factory of creating robots instead of spreading knowledge. I love knowledge but hate schools especially universities and such.

you know. Islam is rooted in THINKING. How many ayaat are there, that encourage thinking? Such as (Paraphrased) "Why don't you think?"

For example, in biology class, or science class, thinking is not taking things at "face value". Or because "my dad said so" or "cuz my parents".

Here is a video of "Does Allah permit Critical Thinking?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmIywVyWglE

Prophet Ibrahim :as: was a Thinker. He did not accept something unless there was evidence.

Allahu alam.

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

you know. Islam is rooted in THINKING. How many ayaat are there, that encourage thinking? Such as (Paraphrased) "Why don't you think?"

For example, in biology class, or science class, thinking is not taking things at "face value". Or because "my dad said so" or "cuz my parents".

Here is a video of "Does Allah permit Critical Thinking?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmIywVyWglE

Prophet Ibrahim :as: was a Thinker. He did not accept something unless there was evidence.

Allahu alam.

I think you missed my point. What i meant to say is that knowledge in general is not by general given to us through school. School just makes people that can withstand stress, not really making good human beings. As an example, in school now a days evolution theory is pushed in your brain as..this is it. But no real intention of questioning evolution theory and the errors in it..or just in general critically analyze it. You are being thought something, but not necessarily being the truth.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

None of ya'll know what you talk about. lol

Serenity - bro - these peeps are willfully ignorant on these matters, preferring the web as their MO over the methodology. You're wasting your time with them akhi.

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Forgiven.

Confidence is quite often mistaken for arrogance. It's hard to tell on the web.

Scimi

Do not try to use "lol" and such. Just make it more like things do not meet logical and rational argument or things are contradictory. As you better than me know "lol" means Laughing Out Loud ..if you even in real life would have done or do such a thing you belittle somebody. We are but human beings and we are often more wrong than right but let's educate each other instead of discarding somebody as if he has just been born (ie as ignorant as one can be)

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Do not try to use "lol" and such. Just make it more like things do not meet logical and rational argument or things are contradictory. As you better than me know "lol" means Laughing Out Loud ..if you even in real life would have done or do such a thing you belittle somebody. We are but human beings and we are often more wrong than right but let's educate each other instead of discarding somebody as if he has just been born (ie as ignorant as one can be)

You make me LOL a lot. Especially when you write one thing and in your very next post - you contradict it, just like you did here a few moments ago: https://www.islamicboard.com/general/134344857-support-syria-4.html#post2954102

If you don't like me LOLing, then try not to make me laugh with your inconsistent posts and often contradictory opinions. Ok?

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

You make me LOL a lot. Especially when you write one thing and in your very next post - you contradict it, just like you did here a few moments ago: https://www.islamicboard.com/general/134344857-support-syria-4.html#post2954102

If you don't like me LOLing, then try not to make me laugh with your inconsistent posts and often contradictory opinions. Ok?

Scimi

You are a very unique case I must say. I have never given so much advice as to you yet you do not self reflect it seems. There is nothing more than I can say or do with you. I leave it like this.

Peace

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

You are a very unique case I must say. I have never given so much advice as to you yet you do not self reflect it seems. There is nothing more than I can say or do with you. I leave it like this.

Peace

Bro, is this you giving up because you realise you cannot influence me in any way shape or form?

I'm here to tell you can influence me, but first I have to consider your influence, worthy.

Step your game up, and maybe you find me quite relenting towards you. But until then, No.

My advice stands, learn Investigative Methodology, trust me - this is what Muslims of the golden age period were experts in. yet today, we are at a loss.

God bless,

Scimi

 

[Simple_Person]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Bro, is this you giving up because you realise you cannot influence me in any way shape or form?

I'm here to tell you can influence me, but first I have to consider your influence, worthy.

Step your game up, and maybe you find me quite relenting towards you. But until then, No.

My advice stands, learn Investigative Methodology, trust me - this is what Muslims of the golden age period were experts in. yet today, we are at a loss.

God bless,

Scimi

There is nothing wrong with the method you are stating and I agree with you but the way how a message is communicated you forget that. So again I think about your methodology I agree with it, but what I am saying what isn't really about methodology you don't even take your time to ponder what I am saying.

To give you an example. Rasullah (saws) brought the truth to people but he never conveyed it in a harsh and rude way. I mean even if you speak the truth and if you are 100% right just by reading your comment my heart want to stop reading it to be honest...because how the message is being conveyed. My mind wants to read it but my heart rather wants me to stop reading it. While other brothers and sisters give also good information but than heart accepts it and i am also eager to read and benefit from it. Why? Because the message contains valuable information just like your comments but in a respectable way.

You get me?

 

[Scimitar]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

There is nothing wrong with the method you are stating and I agree with you but the way how a message is communicated you forget that. So again I think about your methodology I agree with it, but what I am saying what isn't really about methodology you don't even take your time to ponder what I am saying.

This method is what made Muslims lead the world in the golden age of Islam. The Europeans adopted the method and fomented the Renaissance period, which saw Europe rise to greatness.

These investigative methods are scientific, mathematical, logical comparative, etc etc etc and more - weighing up the advantages one can fortify his or herself with when they learn these is invaluable.

Will you attempt to learn these?

To give you an example. Rasul-Allah (saws) brought the truth to people but he never conveyed it in a harsh and rude way. I mean even if you speak the truth and if you are 100% right just by reading your comment my heart want to stop reading it to be honest...because how the message is being conveyed. My mind wants to read it but my heart rather wants me to stop reading it. While other brothers and sisters give also good information but than heart accepts it and i am also eager to read and benefit from it. Why? Because the message contains valuable information just like your comments but in a respectable way.

You get me?

No.

Train your heart to read beyond that which you find hard to stomach because when you converse with me on this forum, you are being prepared to take what you learn to the real world, where people are harsh, and want to get a reaction out of you.

Look past the harshness, it's well intended - see it for what it is, I want you to do better, and I will shout if I have to, but you can't hear me - and when flowery words have no impact, I pull no punches.

I used to go to Speakers Corner, a lot, Sometimes I even got involved in debate. That's where I saw how harsh the questioners can be. You want to make a change? take Islam to your streets and see how the attitudes of the people will deflate your drive unless you are well fortified with vitamins and can handle a little harsh objection.

So many weak Muslims today who crumble at the mention of "debate". if you truly want to be someone who can make a difference, you have to expect a lot of opposition from a variety of places.

If I am harsh, it's because you are weak. When you are strong, I will not have to be so inclined to write as I do. Because I will know that you have what it takes - to take what they got, examine it, correct it, and throw it back.

ANYWAY - FOR THE LAST DAMMMM TIME - GET BACK ON TOPIC, THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU OR ME LOL. Please bro, stop embarrassing yourself. I don't think you realise how much of a mess you've made in this this thread now.

A quick recap, before all your well intended advice, you also posted accusations which you have not proven, you've also attempted character assassination which you did just because you feel I have been harsh with you, you've not been consistent in anything you write, and have misled Allah knows how many vulnerable and insecure guests to this forum with your "opinions"... and to top it all off - you made this thread about you and me.

Bro - your ego needs checking.

My advice - STOP - NO MORE ABOUT YOU OR ABOUT ME - this thread is a joke because you made it about us lol.

STAY ON TOPIC OR DON'T POST

YA GET ME?​

Scimi

 

[kiran29]

Re: Soon the river "Euphrates" will disclose the treasure (the mountain) of gold

Assalamualaikum wr.wb, Bro [MENTION=31950]Scimitar[/MENTION] , I'm sorry about this out of topic question. Where can I learn about this methodology of muslims in golden era?
Thank you. Wassalamualaikum.wr.wb.