Why did Islam invade Spain?

[czgibson]

Greetings Ansar,

But that's only because you don't believe in God.

You're certainly right, in that that is one reason why these ideas seem to me to make no sense.

For someone who does, it is only logical that human beings are born in a state of submission to Him, and the land for submission to Him.

Christians believe in god. Do they also believe that all babies are born as Christians, and that all land is therefore Christian?

Greetings R Mujahed,

There is enough proof in the Quran and Miracles in different fields, some discovered just years ago...

The Qur'an is a religious text. I have never seen any quote from it that I believe would constitute a proof of anything.

so when you know the Quran is the word of GOD... then you believe rest of what is said because it cannot be fake!

You do not know the Qur'an is the word of god; you believe it.

I have proof!!! The Quran and the Sunnah... You do not approve of it then I cannot really do anything but say: Take my word for it!

I don't take anybody's word for anything, unless I think I have a good reason for doing so.

Hey you do not have to believe in Judgment Day... I guess one way of finding out and that is that we wait and see!

Quite so.

Or you can prove there is no judgement day, if you can! We Muslims have enough info on that day that we have to believe it... can you give me just a couple of reasons of why it cannot exist!

To do that I would have to prove that there is no god, which is impossible. However, as in the case of god, I believe it is far more likely that humans invented the idea of Judgment Day rather than believing that it will actually happen.

Peace

 

[R_Mujahed]

Maybe if we post enough smilie faces, CZ, would know we are up to GOOD! ... can do any more! my pointer is tired and I am not stating that we are watching you! all those eyes!!!

 

[imaad_udeen]

Christians believe in god. Do they also believe that all babies are born as Christians, and that all land is therefore Christian?

Why don't you go ask that at a Christian forum? I don't know, there are so many different sects of Christianity that I lose track of what they do and do not believe.

 

[HeiGou]

All land is Muslim land.

So any attack on non-Muslims lands is a liberation and justifiable?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Imaad,

Of course you are familiar with the concept of "faith?" It is employed by all religions.

I am familiar with faith, yes. But faith is not a way of discovering something to be true, is it? It's rather a way of accepting something to be true. This is very different from knowledge.

But this is an Islamic forum, not an athiests forum, so what is your point? You come here just to dispute our beliefs?

Partly, yes. Wouldn't you say it's beneficial to have someone question your beliefs, so that you can examine them yourself and then defend them? Look at Ansar's debates with me and other atheists. You can tell he's debated with atheists before, and I'm sure he would tell you that those discussions have greatly increased his argumentative abilities.

Sorry if I sounded flippant - I don't mean to offend people. All I'm doing is showing how certain beliefs appear to outsiders.

Another reason I come here is to learn more about Islamic beliefs. For example, I didn't know that Muslims believe that all land is Muslim land, so, for that, I thank you.

Why don't you go ask that at a Christian forum? I don't know, there are so many different sects of Christianity that I lose track of what they do and do not believe.

It was a rhetorical question. The answer is no.

I agree with you about the various sects, though - it's certainly confusing! Then you have divisions like the Church of England, where it seems as if you can believe anything you like and still be classed as an adherent.

Peace

 

[knuckles]

Christians believe in god. Do they also believe that all babies are born as Christians, and that all land is therefore Christian?

We believe God created the earth and Heavens for all mankind whether you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or Atheist. We believe you are not a Christian unless you accept Jesus Christ as your savior but we are all still brothers no matter who you are. Christians have no enemies, we are to love all people even those that hate us. This is a big task and virtually impossible but we believe that God set this as a goal no compulory. We believe it's not the sin that send you the hell but the content of your heart.

 

[imaad_udeen]

So any attack on non-Muslims lands is a liberation and justifiable?

Who said anything about attacking? Please don't draw conclusions which I did not allude to.

Islam forbids offensive war anyways.

 

[HeiGou]

Who said anything about attacking? Please don't draw conclusions which I did not allude to.

Islam forbids offensive war anyways.

You certainly alluded to it. You have said all land is Muslim land. I live on a piece of land which has a minority population, but is not a Muslim country and never has been. But you seem to be telling me that this country rightfully belongs to Muslims. Is that right?

I am happy to avoid using the word "attacking" because suddenly I see why Islam forbids offensive warfare - there is no such thing according to you. You seem to be claiming that I am living on Muslim land. I am usurping land that rightfully belongs to you and every other Muslim. Is that right? In which case no war can be offensive, because it all belongs to Muslims anyway. Is this in fact your position? What do you mean by all land is Muslim land?

 

[Caliphate]

Salamu alikom wr wb dear sisters and brothers,

We cant say that Islam invaded Spain, because Islam doesnt invade a counrty and plounder its resources like we see in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. And in fact Islam cant excist without a state, which means a caliphate or a khilafah. Because only a caliphate unite the divided and weak states that serve the interest of the west, implement islam in all affairs of life in society and rule with Al Quran and Sunnah. So at the time when Islam came to Spain, it was not few people who preach about islam, indeed it was one islamic caliphate which has only one purpose and that is to spread the dominance of Islam. Because it is the caliphates purpose to call humanity to Islam through Da3wah and Jihad, since Islam is universal and for all nations and for all time. So what we must understand is that when Islam came to Spain it was not few persons who preached, indeed it was one state whose system was Islam and whose purpose was to spread the dominance of the islamic state to all corners of the world. Like Rasool sallallahu alayhi wa salam did when he created the islamic state in Medina, and spread the dominance of the state to all corners of the world, from Persian regions, to Romans in order to make the Light of Allah swt reach all humanity regardless their culture, religion and race, because Islam is a system for all humanity to save humans from the misery of man-made laws such as democracy and secularism whish we witness today in all corners of the world.

Inshallah you can read more about this at the following websites in english or arabic.

www.adduonline.com
www.alokab.com

Barakallahu Feekum

 

[HeiGou]

We cant say that Islam invaded Spain, because Islam doesnt invade a counrty and plounder its resources like we see in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine.

Really? The Muslims who invaded Spain took no booty, made no slaves, seized no land for themselves, did not take over ownership of the mineral resources of Spain? Is this what you are saying?

 

[imaad_udeen]

You certainly alluded to it. You have said all land is Muslim land. I live on a piece of land which has a minority population, but is not a Muslim country and never has been. But you seem to be telling me that this country rightfully belongs to Muslims. Is that right?

Your land was created by and belongs to Allah and only Allah.

I am not talking about governments.

I am happy to avoid using the word "attacking" because suddenly I see why Islam forbids offensive warfare - there is no such thing according to you. You seem to be claiming that I am living on Muslim land. I am usurping land that rightfully belongs to you and every other Muslim. Is that right? In which case no war can be offensive, because it all belongs to Muslims anyway. Is this in fact your position? What do you mean by all land is Muslim land?

You are totally missing the point. Stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Caliphate,

What a confusing post you've just given.

And in fact Islam cant excist without a state, which means a caliphate or a khilafah.

Are you saying that Islam doesn't exist?

So at the time when Islam came to Spain, it was not few people who preach about islam, indeed it was one islamic caliphate which has only one purpose and that is to spread the dominance of Islam.

Invasion, colonisation, call it what you will.

Like Rasool sallallahu alayhi wa salam did when he created the islamic state in Medina, and spread the dominance of the state to all corners of the world,

Do you think that Islam ruled the world at the time of the Prophet (pbuh)?

because Islam is a system for all humanity to save humans from the misery of man-made laws such as democracy and secularism whish we witness today in all corners of the world.

Firstly, democracy and secularism are not laws. Secondly, who told you they cause miseries?

Peace

 

[knuckles]

Salamu alikom wr wb dear sisters and brothers,

We cant say that Islam invaded Spain, because Islam doesnt invade a counrty and plounder its resources like we see in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. And in fact Islam cant excist without a state, which means a caliphate or a khilafah. Because only a caliphate unite the divided and weak states that serve the interest of the west, implement islam in all affairs of life in society and rule with Al Quran and Sunnah. So at the time when Islam came to Spain, it was not few people who preach about islam, indeed it was one islamic caliphate which has only one purpose and that is to spread the dominance of Islam. Because it is the caliphates purpose to call humanity to Islam through Da3wah and Jihad, since Islam is universal and for all nations and for all time. So what we must understand is that when Islam came to Spain it was not few persons who preached, indeed it was one state whose system was Islam and whose purpose was to spread the dominance of the islamic state to all corners of the world. Like Rasool sallallahu alayhi wa salam did when he created the islamic state in Medina, and spread the dominance of the state to all corners of the world, from Persian regions, to Romans in order to make the Light of Allah swt reach all humanity regardless their culture, religion and race, because Islam is a system for all humanity to save humans from the misery of man-made laws such as democracy and secularism whish we witness today in all corners of the world.

Inshallah you can read more about this at the following websites in english or arabic.

www.adduonline.com
www.alokab.com

Barakallahu Feekum

But what if they didn't want to unite under Islam wouldn't it be considered an invasion or an attack then?

 

[knuckles]

Despite internal discord in Spain, the Muslim emirate proved strong in its first three centuries - was able to stop Charlemagne's massive forces at Saragossa and, after suffering from a massive Viking surprise attack, was able to quickly establish effective defences at a time when they were the terror of Europe. Indeed it became a terror in its own right to Christian neighbours with its own "al-jihad fil-bahr" (holy war at sea), raiding shipping and coastal settlements for the purposes of looting and enslavement

 

[R_Mujahed]

And it is coming back... Islam that is!

 

[Noora_z3]

Origanally posted by Hegou

the British and French were a lot more tolerant of Islam in Algeria than the Arabs were on Christianity in Spain.

Oh really?! never heard this before. U know wat Algeria is called? "the country of the million martyrs", thats the minimum number of Algerians killed by those so-tolerant French.

And Brithish?!! come on, give me a biiiiig break, u know one thing they did, they started the religiouse tension in India, before their invasion muslims n hindus co-existed peacefully. The British implanted the seeds of hatred, so many blood was wasted coz of them, the hindus n Muslims r still payin the price high.

You have said all land is Muslim land

That doesnt mean it belongs to me, or to Ahmad or to Abdul Allah coz we didnt do anything to earn it. It means it belongs to Allah SWT.

Really? The Muslims who invaded Spain took no booty, made no slaves, seized no land for themselves, did not take over ownership of the mineral resources of Spain? Is this what you are saying?

Dont make judgmetns based on selective incidents, bad peaple exsit every where n in every religion. Muslims n Arabs didnt migrate to Spain in millions n ran the country, the spanish ppl themselves converted to Islam n then participated in runnin the country.

By the way, isnt it ungratefull to argue the validity of the existence of Muslims in Spain wen we all know that Muslims dragged Europeans from Mideval times to Enlightenment?!!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

By the way, isnt it ungratefull to argue the validity of the existence of Muslims in Spain wen we all know that Muslims dragged Europeans from Mideval times to Enlightenment?!!

That's an interesting comment. What did Muslims have to do with the Enlightenment?

Peace

 

[Noora_z3]

Greetings,


That's an interesting comment. What did Muslims have to do with the Enlightenment?

Peace

A LOT. But thats a diffrent disscussion, another thread, maybe some other time.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I'd love to hear more about this. Shall I start a new thread, or maybe you can give me a link to some more information about the Islamic contribution to the Enlightenment? I can't find anything on it.

Peace

 

[Noora_z3]

I will refer u to some books, give me some time to get the list. Thanks.