Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

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The claiming like this one: "Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job" shows the lack of understanding of the history.

If Jews could live peacefully in Europe and in Russia, they wouldn´t have such big interest to move to Palestine but now many felt they have to because their all life and future was in great danger because of the racism and nazism in Europe. They also couldn´t be sure that after Hitler, some new lunatic wouldn´t start hate campaing against them again.

Without Hitler and his race theories and hate crimes against Jews, Palestine would to be free today. This isn´t only my own opinion but I have heard it also from many Palestinians. To them "Adolph made really miserable job and Palestinians would to be much happier without him".
 
YahyaE - isolated examples which do not reflect the norm are not "reflective of a norm" so there you have it.
 
I reject the outmoded term "Caucasian".

That's up to you.

The sons of Noah pbuh - Ham, Shem and Japheth were responsible for repopulating the earth after the great flood.

Ham settled what we know today as Egypt - progenitor of the returning African gene. Result - black skinned humans

Shem settled the Middle East - progenitor of the returning middle eastern gene. Result - olive skinned humans

Japheth settled below the Caucasian mountains - progenitor of the returning Caucasian race. Result - white skinned humans

You can call yourself whatever you like mate - you're caucasian whether you like it or not.

Scimi
 
The white people who say that white skin is better looking are meaning it from their own perspective. They know however that in the bigger scheme of things other races will find brown or black skin attractive. If I say that "icecream tastes better than broccoli" it doesn't mean to say that I believe it to be some sort of universal truth, but rather such a statement is merely expressing my own taste.

I agree, not all Germanics look the same. This is because there are many different races of Germanics, with differing morphologies, but there are common features that go across all Germanic races, that being our cold raptorial blue eyes and sturdy built frames. You are equally correct that not all South Asians look the same too, some in fact look very different. This is because there are many different races inhabiting South Asia, which is part of the basis why the caste system came into being there.

You are wrong to conclude that I forbid my children to miscegenate based merely on skin colour . Rather, it is race itself, not mere skin colour. Skin colour is just the amount of melanin one has and the more sun there is the more melanin one makes. If I went and lived in tropical Asia I am of course going to go dark. I will nonetheless still stand out like a sore toe to the natives living there because of my much bigger Germanic size, strong sturdy morphology and long bulky face. This is why many Asians (including Afghans) refer to us Germanic races as "melon heads", lol.

Na, not always. The ones who are against "mixing" with other races, it's because they think they're superior and look down on other races. There's no other reason why they would oppose inter-racial marriages. It's racism.

So what's your criteria? Your son or daughter has to marry someone with white skin and blue eyes?

Well however you define it, it still means you'd be "forbidding" them something God has allowed. It's something we didn't choose to have.. or be. Like eye colour and hair colour. It doesn't make anyone more special than another and it doesn't make one's importance higher than another's.
 
at least the UAE aren't as racist as guys like Tamerlane, who went through South Asia actually SLAUGHTERING the inhabitants. A bit of discrimination here and there in the work place on the other hand is trivial by comparison.

Tamerlane was just another lunatic in history like Hitler. I don't venerate him. I venerate people having conscience only. Jahannam is for the cruels.
 
[MENTION=31950]Scimitar[/MENTION] What about the yellow East Asians and American Red Indians, what about them?
 
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The claiming like this one: "Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job" shows the lack of understanding of the history.

If Jews could live peacefully in Europe and in Russia, they wouldn´t have such big interest to move to Palestine but now many felt they have to because their all life and future was in great danger because of the racism and nazism in Europe. They also couldn´t be sure that after Hitler, some new lunatic wouldn´t start hate campaing against them again.

Without Hitler and his race theories and hate crimes against Jews, Palestine would to be free today. This isn´t only my own opinion but I have heard it also from many Palestinians. To them "Adolph made really miserable job and Palestinians would to be much happier without him".

Without Adolph the whole world would be under the British Empire by now. Things would be far worse for the Arab world as the Empire would take all the oil and leave the natives poor. Might makes right and when the mighty fight each other it liberates the weak, for a while at least. So don't worry about the Palestinians because when the powers fight each other again they will be liberated with freedom or death. Hopefully freedom.
 
Na, not always. The ones who are against "mixing" with other races, it's because they think they're superior and look down on other races. There's no other reason why they would oppose inter-racial marriages. It's racism.

So what's your criteria? Your son or daughter has to marry someone with white skin and blue eyes?

Well however you define it, it still means you'd be "forbidding" them something God has allowed. It's something we didn't choose to have.. or be. Like eye colour and hair colour. It doesn't make anyone more special than another and it doesn't make one's importance higher than another's.

I think people that talk like you have just got some kind of inferiority complex. Why do you want to screw up God's work by mixing races for? I love the diversity of races and cultures just like I love fish and chips and ice cream and custard, but I don't mix them up in the same bowl for dinner. There are places in the world where you have to get a permit to see the natives in a village and you are not allowed to leave any technology behind and you sure can't breed with them. Would that be your catch cry of "Racist!"?

What's my criteria for who my sons and daughters marry? Well, imagine the people that used to be on the Nazi propaganda posters of the 1930s and 40s. That's what I want my children to breed with. So yes, blue eyes and white-pink skin, but most important of all: BIG, STURDY, ATHLETIC AND STRONG and preferably TALL as well. Just because I want my offspring to breed with that kind of phenotype does NOT mean to say that I think races that are not of that phenotype are therefore "inferior". They are DIFFERENT, yes, but that doesn't imply that they are therefore INFERIOR under God. Because I don't want to breed with a different race (and particularly a race that is physically incompatible with mine) doesn't mean I think my race is "superior". Rather so, I do not want that other race to introduce aspects that I regard as disadvantageous or even highly detrimental. For example, if my offspring hybridized with very diminutive willowy puny pretty race that would then threaten the big strong sturdy build of my race. Some races also have a tendency towards certain diseases, and given that I do not want my genetic line to become prone to those particular diseases it is only logical that I would not want my offspring to hybridize with that.

And of course my aversion to miscegenation, while it is a priority to protect MY race, I am ALSO trying to protect the phenotypes of the races I don't want to breed with. I think the pretty little diminutive brown races with big brown eyes are extremely cute, BUT those of *MY* race don't actually want to turn ourselves INTO that. Instead, I want these pretty foreign races to be able to STAY the way they are, in their already perfect untainted form, rather than mixing with us big heavy-set Northern barbaric brutes. This is why I keep on saying that hybridizing these completely incompatible traits is evil and insane. The result is not an aesthetic "blend", but rather, it completely destroys both physical sides entirely and the offspring just look like ugly out of proportioned freaks. It's analogous to throwing ice-cream into a frying pan of omelette, or pouring several cans of beautiful paints into one pale to make a ghastly single colour, or knocking half the fine and elegant Taj Mahal down and rebuilding it by fusing it in the dark towering Gothic style of the Cologne cathedral. No one in their right mind does these things!
 
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Its not the norm, but its a serious enough issue to be considered an illness in our community and for The Prophet to address it several times. And its more common than we would like to admit.
YahyaE - isolated examples which do not reflect the norm are not "reflective of a norm" so there you have it.
 
@Scimitar What about the yellow East Asians and American Red Indians, what about them?

Are you asking where they fit in the table of nations? :D

Seriously?

Chinese have a mix from Ham and Yafith's lineage - check out ancient Chinese history dating before Shi Huang Ti, waaaaaaaay before and you will see where this "coupling" happened.

Haplogroup R1a probably branched off from R1* during or soon after the Last Glacial Maxium. Little is know for certain about its place of origin. Some think it might have originated in the Balkans or around Pakistan and Northwest India, due to the greater genetic diversity found in these regions. The diversity can be explained by other factors though. The Balkans have been subject to 5000 years of migrations[FONT=&quot] from the Eurasian Steppes, each bringing new varieties of R1a. South Asia has had a much bigger population than any other parts of the world (occasionally equalled by China) for at least 10,000 years, and larger population bring about more genetic diversity. The most likely place of origin of R1a is Central Asia or southern Russia/Siberia.

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As for the Native Americans? Also the same lineage (R1a) - they settled the Americas through the Bering Strait which was once a land bridge made of ice. Research it.

This is ethnography mate, it's a science which correlates with the table of nations.

Racism is outdated, outmoded and unjustified.

You are making haraam for your chldren what the Allah and HIS Prophet pbuh made halal - this removes you from the fold of Islam according to Islam.

You tread a very fine line.

Scimi[/FONT]
 
Its not the norm, but its a serious enough issue to be considered an illness in our community and for The Prophet to address it several times. And its more common than we would like to admit.

Then why did you cite such erroneous examples to make your point? I found that weak bro.

Scimi
 
No, they were Germanic. Celts too are generally regarded as Germanic as well. As for Normandy, that has historically been a Germanic stronghold. And Russia, well there's the whole of WHITE Russia to begin with!

Celts aren't Germanic. Pre-Viking Normandy (whatever it was called at the time) was only Germanic as far as the Franks were, who miscegenated with and assimilated a large Latinized Gallic population. Russia's white population was entirely Slavic, so not Germanic.

Now you're just digging deeper by denying basic historical facts that everyone recognizes but you. That's a way to avoid having to admit losing a debate, I suppose, keep denying everything until no common understanding of reality exists and debate is impossible.
 
I don´t have accurate information but one of my anchestor was from Kazakhstan, about some hundred years ago. So those Asian genes might be already quite low at this time. But when I have traveled in the Middle East, local people there have asked if I am the Central Asian origin. :uuh:
 
I don´t have accurate information but one of my anchestor was from Kazakhstan, about some hundred years ago. So those Asian genes might be already quite low at this time. But when I have traveled in the Middle East, local people there have asked if I am the Central Asian origin. :uuh:

Possible. Kazaks are a Turkic people and Turkic genes are dominant most of the time. Test is easy. Check the back of your head if you have this small bulge called "Tuberculum Turcum". If you have it this shows you have at least one Turkic ancestor.

Tuberculum Turcum.jpg
 
And now every members sit behind of their screens, touching their head, thinking if there is a bump, bulge or perhaps a ridge on their skull.

:giggling:
 
Well, there is something what might be kind of bulge. :p: Maybe I am partly turkic then.
 
:salam:

Well, I come from the Balkans, I have a kind of bulge too, I think. I think it is normal. I look nowhere near Turkish tho (I have brown hair but grey /"blue" eyes) lol.

How do you guys even know who your ancestors are? I dont know my grand grand pa's. (except maybe his name)
Allahu alam.
 
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