Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

[Karl]

Brother, if you are refering to my post please read the ayahs we posted on the issue again. Allah created us as different races to understand the wisdom of the Creation. There is a similarity between the creation of heavens and earth and different races. Our different races are just the signs of the Creator. And in another ayah He says He created us different to meet and know each other, not to seperate ourselves. You continously ignore this part. Being proud of your physical features is a big big mistake in Islam. Nothing you have you got it yourself. Everything is given to you by Allah.

Ok, but just because Allah created us to meet and know each other is NOT a call by him for actually taking things as far as MISCEGENATION. Yes, meet each other and know each other means things like trading, tourism, exchanging of knowledge and wisdom, and even friendship, but to take it as extreme as to miscegenate actually RUINS Allah's different creations. He didn't want us to race mix, that's why he created us as separate races to BEGIN with! Don't you see?

 

[Umm♥Layth]

 

[Karl]

SalamunAlaykum,

This is definitely an issue in the Muslim community. In Asia and some (or many) Arab countries, there is some weird obsession with "light skin" being more beautiful and desired. Why?
In some places, converts who are white seem to be treated as if they're somehow extra special. And just because a person is white and has coloured eyes says they're a Muslim does not mean that they are a convert (as some would automatically assume). And Europeans/Americans are not the only ones with light skin or light eyes as ignorant people would assume. Or that people with dark skin tones cannot and do not have light eyes.

Muslims need to get it into their heads that light skin tones are NOT more beautiful that dark skin tones and that all skin colours are beautiful. We shouldn't look at a person and instantly think of the colour of their skin. We should see them as just another person, just another couple. Nor is one eye colour more special or beautiful than any other.

Beauty is subjective. What one person may find attractive may not be attractive to another. Some racists (for example from the white communities) seem to believe that their people are superior and better looking than dark skinned people. Quite delusional really. It's none of anyone else's business if a dark skinned person marries a light skinned person or vice versa. We are human beings. Our skin or eye colour does not make us more special than anyone else or inferior to anyone else.

In Islam, no one skin tone, colour or race is superior to another. Simple as that.

There are differing perceptions of what "white" is. North Europeans regard it as the colour of their own pinkish-white skin. But in places like India where they recognize a range of skin tones "white" is actually more like what a Germanic would regard as lightish brown. My North European pinkish-lily-white skin is completely off the scale in India and is regarded by them as a sickly white they find unappealing. As to what skin colour is "more attractive" that merely comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I agree that Muslims and other Asians need to get it into their heads that light skin tone is not more beautiful than brown skin tones. In fact, even though I'm racially Germanic I actually find the brown skin tones of Muslims and other Asians to look pretty, soft and erotic. I would never however want my own skin to look like that because I don't even want my own race to look "beautiful" anyway. I belong to a fierce warrior race and God never actually INTENDED us to look cute and small and pretty to begin with, so this is why I am very comfortable and happy and proud with my big-built hard-featured lily-white physical features.

You are quite correct that beauty is subjective, but then you go on to say that most white people regard their own race as better looking than the brown races, and are therefore "delusional". That's kind of a contradiction as you already acknowledge that perceptions of what looks good is subjective and a matter of preference. White people who do not find brown/black races attractive are not "delusional" at all because that is simply just how they themselves interpret. Just the same as how someone of a brown/black race is not being "delusional" just because they regard the pinkish-white skin and heavy-set morphologies of us Germanics to be barbarously unrefined, harsh and unattractive as well.

You say it's no one else's business if a white skinned North European race marries a brown/dark skin race. Ok fair enough, I don't like busybodies interfering in my business either... BUT in SOME cases it IS someone else's business. When family is involved. If one of MY offspring marries a different race then that IS my business as their FATHER to put a STOP to it.

 

[anatolian]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha

So what about the racism or extreme nationalism within the Muslim folks? I have not ever lived in the UAE but talk to Indians and Pakistanis living and working in the UAE and Qatar on a daily basis because of my job. What I observe they face a discrimination. Maybe the OP can enlighten us about it also.

Maybe Muslim nations should develop an Islamic Union just like EU where we can move and stay as we wish.

 

[SilentSacrifice]

There are differing perceptions of what "white" is. North Europeans regard it as the colour of their own pinkish-white skin. But in places like India where they recognize a range of skin tones "white" is actually more like what a Germanic would regard as lightish brown. My North European pinkish-lily-white skin is completely off the scale in India and is regarded by them as a sickly white they find unappealing. As to what skin colour is "more attractive" that merely comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I agree that Muslims and other Asians need to get it into their heads that light skin tone is not more beautiful than brown skin tones. In fact, even though I'm racially Germanic I actually find the brown skin tones of Muslims and other Asians to look pretty, soft and erotic. I would never however want my own skin to look like that because I don't even want my own race to look "beautiful" anyway. I belong to a fierce warrior race and God never actually INTENDED us to look cute and small and pretty to begin with, so this is why I am very comfortable and happy and proud with my big-built hard-featured lily-white physical features.

You are quite correct that beauty is subjective, but then you go on to say that most white people regard their own race as better looking than the brown races, and are therefore "delusional". That's kind of a contradiction as you already acknowledge that perceptions of what looks good is subjective and a matter of preference. White people who do not find brown/black races attractive are not "delusional" at all because that is simply just how they themselves interpret. Just the same as how someone of a brown/black race is not being "delusional" just because they regard the pinkish-white skin and heavy-set morphologies of us Germanics to be barbarously unrefined, harsh and unattractive as well.

You say it's no one else's business if a white skinned North European race marries a brown/dark skin race. Ok fair enough, I don't like busybodies interfering in my business either... BUT in SOME cases it IS someone else's business. When family is involved. If one of MY offspring marries a different race then that IS my business as their FATHER to put a STOP to it.

Of course. I also used the term "light tones".

How is that a contradiction? There are some white people who do believe that white, LIGHT skin colour is better and more attractive, which is not true at all. However, there are "white" people who do find dark skin tones attractive and vice versa.

You can't generalize like that. Not all "Germanic" people look the same. Not all South Asians look the same. Nor all Arabic people etc. Even my sister is a different skin tone to me.

No it's not actually. If God allows it, then it's wrong for you to try to stop it solely based on skin colour.

 

[SilentSacrifice]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha

Umm.. a person who does not find such a "calamity" attractive?

 

[anatolian]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha

Umm.. a person who does not find such a "calamity" attractive?

People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful. In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

But cultural colonialism is also effective. Claudia Schiffer was shown as the most beautiful woman for at least twenty years. LOL. This is called mind programming.

 

[SilentSacrifice]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha


People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful. In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

But cultural colonialism is also effective. Claudia Schiffer was shown as the most beautiful woman for at least twenty years. LOL. This is called mind programming.

Black hair? And eyes? As far as I know black eyes are very rare or don't even exist. Did you mean brown?

There are people with dark eyes who find others with dark eyes attractive too, same with people who have blue eyes, etc. It just comes to down to personal preference.

Had to google her.

 

[Scimitar]

You are reading too much into things, Scimi. I am not full of hate for different races with a "racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty". I am merely a race purist and a nationalist. That's it and it's no big deal...it's just that often when my personal stance is not respected and I am instead continually harassed and antagonized by those who do not personally agree with me... that's when discussions can get heated and I as a result get angry and it can sometimes perhaps show in less desirable ways.

Ok

Well, i can roll with that.

Anyway, to reiterate where we are at.

You have nothing against other races, but you are proud of your own race. May I ask Why? I mean, Germanic people's have a very dark stain on their skin don't they? The holocaust is from your race, right?

I'm sure you realize I can form a list of all the reasons one cannot be proud of Caucasian's but in fairness - I want to know how a man can have pride in being Caucasian - or as you like to call it - Germanic.

So I'm willing to give you a chance to justify this idea that there is pride to be had in being "Germanic / Caucasian".

God bless,

Scimi

 

[anatolian]

Germanic is the secular white supremacist theory that all white folks of today originated from Germany once upon a time. Caucasian is the religious version of this white supremacy that all white folks of today originated from Caucasia after the Flood.

 

[Karl]

Well, who would reject a blonde blue eyed German calamity? Haha

So what about the racism or extreme nationalism within the Muslim folks? I have not ever lived in the UAE but talk to Indians and Pakistanis living and working in the UAE and Qatar on a daily basis because of my job. What I observe they face a discrimination. Maybe the OP can enlighten us about it also.

Maybe Muslim nations should develop an Islamic Union just like EU where we can move and stay as we wish.

Actually many Indians and Pakistanis themselves are also extremely nationalist anyway. Hindutvas are staunchly proud of their races, languages, culture and hate anything of foreign imposition, most particularly anything British. Pakistani nationalists are just the same, and all I can say is good on them. And look at it THIS way...at least the UAE aren't as racist as guys like Tamerlane, who went through South Asia actually SLAUGHTERING the inhabitants. A bit of discrimination here and there in the work place on the other hand is trivial by comparison.

 

[Karl]

Of course. I also used the term "light tones".

How is that a contradiction? There are some white people who do believe that white, LIGHT skin colour is better and more attractive, which is not true at all. However, there are "white" people who do find dark skin tones attractive and vice versa.

You can't generalize like that. Not all "Germanic" people look the same. Not all South Asians look the same. Nor all Arabic people etc. Even my sister is a different skin tone to me.

No it's not actually. If God allows it, then it's wrong for you to try to stop it solely based on skin colour.

The white people who say that white skin is better looking are meaning it from their own perspective. They know however that in the bigger scheme of things other races will find brown or black skin attractive. If I say that "icecream tastes better than broccoli" it doesn't mean to say that I believe it to be some sort of universal truth, but rather such a statement is merely expressing my own taste.

I agree, not all Germanics look the same. This is because there are many different races of Germanics, with differing morphologies, but there are common features that go across all Germanic races, that being our cold raptorial blue eyes and sturdy built frames. You are equally correct that not all South Asians look the same too, some in fact look very different. This is because there are many different races inhabiting South Asia, which is part of the basis why the caste system came into being there.

You are wrong to conclude that I forbid my children to miscegenate based merely on skin colour . Rather, it is race itself, not mere skin colour. Skin colour is just the amount of melanin one has and the more sun there is the more melanin one makes. If I went and lived in tropical Asia I am of course going to go dark. I will nonetheless still stand out like a sore toe to the natives living there because of my much bigger Germanic size, strong sturdy morphology and long bulky face. This is why many Asians (including Afghans) refer to us Germanic races as "melon heads", lol.

 

[Karl]

People tend to find the types more beatiful which have different features. Since the vast majority of mankind have black hair and eyes, they find blonde hair and blue eyes more beautiful. And for sure the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes will find the types having black hair and eye more beautiful.

Only a minority though will find members of various foreign races attractive. In spite of the miscegenation holocaust currently underway, there are nonetheless many people who do not have a sexual fetish for foreign races.

In fact this is just another counter argument for "miscegenation". We want to mix with the typos who are different.

No, attraction per se is NOT a valid argument for the degenerate act of miscegenation. You need to remember that many people become attracted to things they shouldn't breed with. Take for example homosexuals. They are attracted to each other but they of course were not meant to actually breed with each other. Likewise, I find some foreign races to be very attractive but that doesn't mean to say I am actually meant to breed with them. I also find various animals (such as cute-as-a-button little toy dogs) sexually attractive too, but that does not mean to say I am actually meant to breed with them. This is why Allah gave us a thing called intelligence, reason and the ability to restrain ourselves from deviant actions based on desires for living beings outside of our respective races.

 

[Karl]

Ok

Well, i can roll with that.

Anyway, to reiterate where we are at.

You have nothing against other races, but you are proud of your own race. May I ask Why? I mean, Germanic people's have a very dark stain on their skin don't they? The holocaust is from your race, right?

I'm sure you realize I can form a list of all the reasons one cannot be proud of Caucasian's but in fairness - I want to know how a man can have pride in being Caucasian - or as you like to call it - Germanic.

So I'm willing to give you a chance to justify this idea that there is pride to be had in being "Germanic / Caucasian".

God bless,

Scimi

I reject the outmoded term "Caucasian". It is not the same as Germanic. Many of the races from the Caucasus region are not even Germanic at all. It was not my race and my race alone which tried to fight off Jewish takeover of Europe back in WWII. Rather, it was a collective of Germanic races who tried to stop Jews destroying our cultures and destroying our races. Why you as a Muslim should have any concern for Jews I also find odd. The Quran afterall says that the Jews are a cursed race. Allah works in mysterious ways and the so called "holocaust" may have been part of his intention. Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job".

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Karl;

It was not my race and my race alone which tried to fight off Jewish takeover of Europe back in WWII. Rather, it was a collective of Germanic races who tried to stop Jews destroying our cultures and destroying our races.

Easy to do, you just unite a bunch of people who would normally be enemies, to fight a common enemy.

Why you as a Muslim should have any concern for Jews I also find odd.

Because he has a concern for mankind.

Allah works in mysterious ways and the so called "holocaust" may have been part of his intention. Talk to any Palestinian and they will tell you that Adolph "didn't do a good enough job".

This is a dangerous view to hold, if you are happy for one group of people to exterminate another group. At this moment in time, the Muslims are standing in for the Jews, they are seemingly being blamed for all the world problems. Over the next few decades, the next holocaust could be directed against Muslims. People who share your strong views about ethnic cleansing, could gang up against you.

The thought of this horrifies me, we are all created by the same God, the same God hears all our prayers. We have a duty to care for all of God's creation, and that has to mean caring for each other despite our very obvious differences.

In the spirit of praying to a just, merciful and forgiving God.

Eric

 

[sister herb]

"collective of germanic races whose tried to stop Jews to destroy our culture and race"

This sounds very familiar to me and very scary. Let´s listen what neo-nazis today may say in Europe (and also in Germany):

"We have to keep Germanic race clean and pure and stop those Muslims whose try to destroy our culture and race."

Some similarity huh? Same ideology, same methods but new enemy - at this time this enemy is Muslim population in Europe, not Jews any more. Simply to say: we.

 

[YahyaAE]

So you found two examples in your life? And you think this is enough to paint all Muslims as racist? or the majority?

Please show me how you justify your opinion.

Salaams! First I didn't say all, or even the majority are racist, but that it is a serious issue in our community... Secondly, there are countless examples of racist attitudes from people within our community. I am not going to list them all here, as two examples are sufficient to illustrate the point that I am making.

The main thing which inspired me to start this thread was seeing a video on YouTube about a young black convert in the UK who, although believing in the Oneness of Allah, felt totally isolated from the rest of the community because of the casual racism he experienced from them. They were mainly south Asian, and he is originally black Caribbean. It broke him down so much, he wanted to leave the religion. Alhumdillah he didn't leave after this young Kurdish convert (I think he was raised as a Yazidi before, not sure) had to counsel him to stay strong. But I have heard similar stories over the years from converts from different races. This is an embarrassment for us as Muslims, and we will be taken into account for this on the Last Day.

 

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you, Eric

This is a dangerous view to hold, if you are happy for one group of people to exterminate another group. At this moment in time, the Muslims are standing in for the Jews, they are seemingly being blamed for all the world problems. Over the next few decades, the next holocaust could be directed against Muslims. People who share your strong views about ethnic cleansing, could gang up against you.

This is where I myself would be actually safe though. They wouldn't zone in on me because I am at least racially Germanic, and furthermore have never openly revealed to anyone outside of the internet that I converted to Islam about 15 years ago. I keep religion to myself and consider it a private thing.

It is true that in time not only Muslims but also Asians and Africans living in the West might become victims of genocide. I'm not sure if Jews may end up being lumped in as well with that group (as Jews themselves are also Asian anyway). It has afterall been primarily the Jews who have been responsible in the first place for encouraging and enabling mass immigration from Asia. White nationalists widely see Jews as a malicious hateful force and they are aware that Jews regard whites as their "worst enemy". This cannot be dismissed as "paranoid delusion" either as some Jews have even admitted these things! If a white nationalist takeover miraculously develops in future, it is highly likely that Jews will be targets as they will be seen as the main culprits behind the mass immigration from Asia and Africa (which is seen as nothing but a weapon against them), not to mention Cultural Marxism, feminism and the destruction of families, the encouragement of homosexuality and miscegenation, regicide, the destruction of sovereign nations, their replacements being "unions", and ultimately, world conquest, and a demonic One World Government to be imposed, ruled and administered by the Jews. All us goyim are to be their slaves.

 

[Karl]

"collective of germanic races whose tried to stop Jews to destroy our culture and race"

This sounds very familiar to me and very scary. Let´s listen what neo-nazis today may say in Europe (and also in Germany):

"We have to keep Germanic race clean and pure and stop those Muslims whose try to destroy our culture and race."

Some similarity huh? Same ideology, same methods but new enemy - at this time this enemy is Muslim population in Europe, not Jews any more. Simply to say: we.

The thing is, ALL white nationalists today, regardless of their varying stripes and factions, regard JEWS to be the biggest enemy of all. In fact, some white nationalists and neo-Nazis TODAY regard Jews as a far more diabolical threat to Europe than the Nazis saw the Jews as a threat 80 odd years ago! This is probably because of the huge amount of damage Jews have caused post WWII compared what actual damage they had caused by the 1930s and 40s. At least back then Jews had not carried out anywhere as much malicious damage as what they said they would do (as was for example explained in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion). It is absurd to call the protocols a "fraud" because simple fact is, everything predicted in it ARE eventuating! If it wasn't a fraud then none of those things would have happened.

 

[Karl]

Salaams! First I didn't say all, or even the majority are racist, but that it is a serious issue in our community... Secondly, there are countless examples of racist attitudes from people within our community. I am not going to list them all here, as two examples are sufficient to illustrate the point that I am making.

The main thing which inspired me to start this thread was seeing a video on YouTube about a young black convert in the UK who, although believing in the Oneness of Allah, felt totally isolated from the rest of the community because of the casual racism he experienced from them. They were mainly south Asian, and he is originally black Caribbean. It broke him down so much, he wanted to leave the religion. Alhumdillah he didn't leave after this young Kurdish convert (I think he was raised as a Yazidi before, not sure) had to counsel him to stay strong. But I have heard similar stories over the years from converts from different races. This is an embarrassment for us as Muslims, and we will be taken into account for this on the Last Day.

So were these South Asians being racist towards the negro because he was of a different race per se to them or was it only because he was African in particular? It baffles me when I see South Asians say racist stuff towards Africans and Australian aborigines over their "black skin". It always makes me laugh because that is just the pot calling the kettle black! Indians don't seem to realize that to us whites Indians, Africans, Australian Aborigines, Papua New Guineans etc are bundled together as "the blacks". To my utter dismay, I have seen Indians call negroes "n*ggers", yet I wonder how many Indians are aware than many whites call Indians "curry n*ggers"? Back in the days of the British Raj the British used to commonly call Indians "blacks". And in fact some South Asian races are even DARKER than some African races!... so South Asians really need to think twice when racially attacking negroes for their dark skin!