Is the 'Musilm' Ummah a racist ummah?

[Karl]

Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.

You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species/race doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

 

[Scimitar]

The Quran disagrees with you - look at surah at Nas.

he's just being semantic brother Zafran,

and confuddling the word "race" for "species". lol he's all over the place. Maybe English is not his first language? Let's give him another chance eh? hehe

Scimi

 

[Serinity]

I believe that different races should stay in their own countries. North Europe for North European races, South Europe for Mediterranean races, Africa for African races, Asia for Asian races, and so on. I don't believe that I as a North European should be allowed to actually live in Africa or Asia. Those countries do NOT belong to me. North Europe IS however where I belong. Nonetheless, I am not opposed to Asians or Africans or South Europeans coming to North Europe as tourists or traders though. That is ok. But they should know to show some respect and return back home when their visit is done with.

That is unislamic thinking right there, you know that?

What are you gonna do if an Islamic State emerges from Saudi Arabia, would you migrate there?

In an Islamic State, that kind of thinking is not tolerated. Islam came for ALL mankind, so all Muslims and Dhimmis of all races can live under the Islamic State.

Would you be opposed to that? For Africans, Asians, westerns, eastern, you name it, live under 1 Islamic State / country?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

 

[Scimitar]

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species/race doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

bro, listen to me - what i write next, i do not ask you to accept. I ask you to investigate over time, as I have done.

the only times races were fiercely protective of their bloodline, was in the cases of royalty by way of Kingship.

But in Islam, we find that the prophet's and messengers of God often married women who were not from their own race. How did Allah ordain that Abraham pbuh, father "two great nations"??? The Hebrews and the Arabs???

Did he not have two wives? One his own race and one, an Egyptian???

Your case for racial purity shows me one thing only, that you do not trust God can reform a man in any colour HE wishes, you have not understood yet that between the two KUN, is a world of infinite possibility - and that power to create - or re-create - is Allah's alone.

Have some faith, drop the bad reasoning.

God bless,

Scimi

 

[Karl]

I see mixing of races as no threat at all. What we should worry about is teaching our kids Islam, and to give them an Islamic upbringing.

I find this whole "Preservation of races" as a pipe dream. Who really cares? I do not call for the extinction of a race. I find all kinds of races beautiful in and of itself.

I just don't want societies to be split based on their race. I don't really care for my own race, nor do I care for my nationality, or where I am born. I only care about who I am, and that is me being a Muslim.

It is ok to like yourself to be in a race, be grateful and thank Allah :swt: . But don't think that you can forbid others from mixing races.

It is ok if you don't want to mix your race, but you can't prevent one from marrying another race.

I am of a race, but I give it no importance at all. The only important thing to me is who I am and where I go.

We will all die anyway, and the only thing that will benefit us is our deeds and Imaan. No race, wealth or any progeny will help you at all except for what good you did with your wealth and life.

Tell me please, why do you care for your race? Because to me it is of no importance at all.

Allahu alam.

I think I have explained the reason why I am staunchly opposed to race mixing several times in this thread. There are various reasons, but one of the biggest is that I want my offspring and their offspring never to lose our physical attributes that has been handed down to us for thousands and thousands of years, such as our blue eyes and big strong sturdy builds. While I think brown eyes and smallness is cute and pretty, I DON'T however want MY race to actually BECOME that. Mixing small cute pretty races with big strong warrior races like mine is just insane and the worst kind of incompatibility I can think of. It's like wanting to mix an Alsatian with a toy dog...just completely crazy.

Yes, our religion IS very important, BUT that doesn't mean to say that everything else therefore "doesn't matter".

Of course I can't stop others miscegenating, but I WILL at least forbid my own offspring from committing such degeneracy. They have told me that they don't even WANT to anyway because they regard it as a mental illness and have absolutely no interest in it. If you "don't care" about your race, your nation, your culture, then fine, that is your choice and your permanent LOSS. But as far as I'M concerned I would not ever allow any of those things such as the preservation of my race to be sacrificed for anything in the world. I would rather see my offspring DIE than to see them race mix.

 

[sister herb]

Germans belong to the North Europe? Noooo way! They can stay in the Central Europe. Better leave the North to the "real" Nordic people. :coolious:

Ok, seriously speaking; "different races should stay in their own countries". Where I have heard this before? Propably from the hate speech of the far-right neo-nazis. They say exactly the same when refugees from the Syria and Iraq came to here.

 

[Karl]

That is unislamic thinking right there, you know that?

What are you gonna do if an Islamic State emerges from Saudi Arabia, would you migrate there?

In an Islamic State, that kind of thinking is not tolerated. Islam came for ALL mankind, so all Muslims and Dhimmis of all races can live under the Islamic State.

Would you be opposed to that? For Africans, Asians, westerns, eastern, you name it, live under 1 Islamic State / country?

And Allah :swt: knows best.

I see no reason why there can't be Islamic States in regions across different nations, with the different races residing in each respective zone. I don't really see why there should necessarily be any conflict in accommodating these things.

 

[anatolian]

I see no reason why there can't be Islamic States in regions across different nations, with the different races residing in each respective zone. I don't really see why there should necessarily be any conflict in accommodating these things.

Forget everything. That's the question. Would you accept a Muslim from another race as your brother/sister or not? Would you feel the same sympathy for them as you feel towards the ones from your race?

 

[Karl]

bro, listen to me - what i write next, i do not ask you to accept. I ask you to investigate over time, as I have done.

the only times races were fiercely protective of their bloodline, was in the cases of royalty by way of Kingship.

But in Islam, we find that the prophet's and messengers of God often married women who were not from their own race. How did Allah ordain that Abraham pbuh, father "two great nations"??? The Hebrews and the Arabs???

Did he not have two wives? One his own race and one, an Egyptian???

Your case for racial purity shows me one thing only, that you do not trust God can reform a man in any colour HE wishes, you have not understood yet that between the two KUN, is a world of infinite possibility - and that power to create - or re-create - is Allah's alone.

Have some faith, drop the bad reasoning.

God bless,

Scimi

Scimitar, I know there has always been historical cases of various individuals (including prophets) doing this and that, and I know that Islam apparently permits race mixing. That nonetheless will never change my own stance against race mixing. At the end of the day it is a choice thing. To each their own. If you love miscegenation then I am happy for you to do it. But I can guarantee that I as the father of my offspring strictly forbid it. If that makes me a" bad or ignorant Muslim" then so be it.

 

[Karl]

Forget everything. That's the question. Would you accept a Muslim from another race as your brother/sister or not? Would you feel the same sympathy for them as you feel towards the ones from your race?

I would accept a Muslim of a different race as a brother/sister in Islam and I would show them hospitality and friendship, yes. I feel sympathy for all living creatures, not just those of my own race.

 

[noraina]

Yes, as I said before, I am fiercely against my race losing our blue eyes and big strong masculine build. In fact, I'd rather be DEAD than lose that. As for your claim that my race wouldn't even exist "if there was no migrations out of Africa several thousands of years ago", well I don't buy that atheist pseudoscientific leftist "Out of Africa" theory to begin with. Like the "theory of evolution" there is simply no hard evidence for it. I instead am convinced that my own race had it's origins in North Europe itself, not Africa or Asia.

Just to correct this, it is impossible for any of us outside of the Middle East or Africa to have just 'sprung up' from our current location, looking as we are when looking at it from an Islamic perspective.

The Prophet Adam :as: was sent down to this earth in that region and so by default we all originate from there.

And if we really did keep ourselves to ourselves, and cultures did not interact or mingle with one another, this world would be a very different place, and I don't think for the better either.

Look, there's nothing wrong if you want to marry someone who is blue-eyed if that is your personal preference, but the reasons you are putting forward for it and the opinions you have are ones which Islam aims to do away with, especially concerning racial separatism and that you believe ethnic minorities shouldn't settle down in the West. And it would be unhealthy to pass these opinions down or force them onto your own children.

 

[aaj]

There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc.

There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat

 

[anatolian]

I would accept a Muslim of a different race as a brother/sister in Islam and I would show them hospitality and friendship, yes. I feel sympathy for all living creatures, not just those of my own race.

We must have the exact same love towards our brethren from other races/nations as we have towards people from our own races/nations. Not even one drop less..You must love your Turkish brother just as much you love your German brother...Otherwise we are not even considered believers.. You know the famous hadith which briefly says that "You cant enter Jannah unless you have faith and you dont have faith unless you love eachother"

 

[sister herb]

I was thinking that Islam is against nationalism. If yes, then kind of idea that people of other ethnicity should stay inside of their own borders of nations, is against the basic principles of Islam. We should break down the walls and cross-fences, not build new ones.

 

[anatolian]

There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat

Salam. There are races. Quran mentions it as well. But not as a subject of seperation but as a subject of unification. As you qoted it

30:22 "And one of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors; most surely there are signs in this for the learned" M.H.Shakir

 

[Scimitar]

Scimitar, I know there has always been historical cases of various individuals (including prophets) doing this and that, and I know that Islam apparently permits race mixing. That nonetheless will never change my own stance against race mixing. At the end of the day it is a choice thing. To each their own. If you love miscegenation then I am happy for you to do it. But I can guarantee that I as the father of my offspring strictly forbid it. If that makes me a" bad or ignorant Muslim" then so be it.

Aha!!!

If this is your motivation then that is fine, since societal laws permit "grown up" marrying who they want - you got bigger issues then just race to contend with mate - you're dancing to the wrong music as they say. Shouldn't you instead doing the wailing waltz around the idea that your children may grow up liking the same sex? or transgender? or whatever else they can concoct up by the time they've grown and you've gone gray and bald?

Like I said, I don't think you have identified the real issues plaguing your children's innocence - and believe me, it's got nothing to do with race.

Other factors which you have neglected to mention here, which I briefly mentioned are issues which you should prioritize over the race issue, for real bro.

God bless

Scimi

 

[Umm♥Layth]

This is a hilarious thread. He wants Europeans to keep to themselves and preserve their race when they have infiltrated/colonized just about every other race in existence today.

The mother tongue of south american countries is NOT and never was Spanish. Not even close. The mother tongue of north America was never English or French. Who brought these languages and interbred with all of these people? ;D it surely wasn't their own race.

Where does the English language originate from anyway? and why all the different dialects of it?

You can follow food, you can follow languages, you can follow cultures and you'll see that every race has an influence from another. Full stop. There is no such thing as an original race or culture. It takes a serious ignoramus to not realize this.

Flour tortillas are not Mexican by the way. Neither are nachos. Rice was never part of the south American diet until very recently in history, yet most of them think it is their staple! Everyone should rid themselves of nationalism and a false sense of pride. It's ridiculous.

Karl, you've yet to address any of @Scimitar's posts. I find this amusing. You seem to only entertain superficial arguments about this subject. Please do not respond to this post or quote it without addressing the real issues here. Have fun!

 

[Scimitar]

It doesn't matter - he's basically said that regardless of the Muslim/Islamic position on race being a non factor in anything - he is still going to be a white supremacist because he considers all other races impure in so many words.

His argument is not worth entertaining when he, himself knows that his opinion is not from any religion we know as authentic, but just his personal opinion being forced onto his children, rather poignantly. To his dismay, he may find that when they are old enough to make their own decisions, they may view him as a product of a bygone era as social norms affect their own ability to choose their own partners.

What a world.

We can speculate all we like, but that proverbial rug will always be pulled out from under our feet. Stay light on your toes, peeps!

Scimi

 

[sister herb]

I suggest that all Europeans immediately move back to Europe. It can be a bit cramped but at least we are the same breeds. Well, at least almost.

Wait! Who takes Trump? Let´s see... His ancestors originated from the Germany. No problem then.

 

[Futuwwa]

I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.

Do you even reading comprehension bro?

The Vikings that conquered England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily miscegenated to the point that they were completely assimilated by the conquered. That's way more than a bit of random zina by a drunken race traitor. No, none of those races they miscegenated with were Germanic, apart from the English which were so to a large extent but significantly miscegenated with Celts by that point.

Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.

You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species doesn't mean that I SHOULD.

I'm Germanic enough that I would have been eligible to be a poster-boy for the Waffen-SS. Allah mit uns! Yet, I reject your notions of racial purity. I salute the Slavic subhumans who 72 years ago buried such notions under the tracks of tanks. Proletarier aller Länder, lä ilähä ill-Allah!

Do you even biology bro? Species are defined by being unable to breed with each other and produce fertile offspring. That there are odd exceptions now and then just shows that the line between race and species is not exact, that there is a greyzone in between where breeding and producing fertile offspring is highly unlikely but possible. That a line needs to be drawn somewhere for classification does in no way invalidate the concept. To call different human populations different species is preposterous. Any two human races can interbreed with far too high likelihood for them to be different species.