History: How exactly do 38 soldiers take over a nation?

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the event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Turkish_coup_d'état
the overthrown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Menderes
the overthrower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alparslan_Türkeş

boy, people must have REALLY hated the overthrown....
just look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_1961

and this, if you dont mind the music for the sake of education.... a song dedicated to the colonel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUvigZ-GJCQ

it translates to: "we are the soldiers of Alparslan Türkeş"

EDIT: here is a tape of the radio address to the nation after the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Hvk-f785A


I miss the good ole days.
 
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Stuff like that is why Erdogan is on the way to become Sultan now.
 
Stuff like that is why Erdogan is on the way to become Sultan now.
But word is coming out that the coup was staged, based on media reports and coup plotters' testimony. We might very well see another coup in Turkey backed by the people if word gets out, or even a revolution, civil war, or arrest leading to lynching, assassination, execution, or life imprisonment (EDIT: Of Erdogan)
 
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Answer: how did David beat goliath? Or was that a rhetorical question? ??

Kam min fi atin qalleelin ghalabat fi atin thatheerin bi idhn Allah?

Sniper Basics For The SHTF Survivalist
Thursday, 30 January 2014 06:54 Brandon Smith

For a long time sniper tactics have been considered by many, even in the military, to be akin to a kind of state designated “murder” rather than a legitimate combat strategy. Only in recent years has sniping achieved a certain level of recognition. Centuries of warfare have passed in which snipers were happily recruited for their skills, and then quickly swept under the rug and forgotten once conflict was over. Daniel Morgan and his crack-shot riflemen were instrumental in America's revolutionary victory over the British. U.S. sharpshooters rained hell down on German troops from over 900 yards during WWI. Snipers have dominated the battlefield in every modern conflagration. Yet, regimented sniping schools were not standardized in the U.S. Army until 1987. All previous schools were abandoned within a few years of their establishment.
Why did it take so long for the sniper to be recognized as essential to victory? Perhaps because snipers are TOO effective, to the point that they become frightening to the establishment.

During the Finnish “Winter War” against the Soviet Union in which they were vastly outnumbered and outgunned, guerrilla tactics, which they called “Motti tactics”, were used to excellent effect. The Finnish devastated the Soviets using hit and run attacks, homemade and improvised weapons, and snipers. The most famous of these snipers was Simo Hayha.

Simo was a common farmer with a diminutive stature of only 5 feet 3 inches tall. His shooting prowess was honed as a hunter in the wilderness of Finland. Simo is credited with over 505 (official) kills, including several teams of Soviet counter-snipers sent specifically to eliminate him. These kills were made during less than 100 days of combat, meaning Hayha engaged and destroyed 5 targets per day by himself. Known as the “White Death”, Simo would finally be removed from the battlefield by a lucky shot from an explosive tipped rifle round to the face while holding off a Soviet advance; he would wake up later in a Finnish hospital at the very end of the war and die of old age in the year 2002.

Simo Hayha proved once and for all the effectiveness of a single shooter in the face of a more powerful opponent. This kind of attrition warfare stopped the more technologically advanced Russians in their tracks, and ended their pursuit of total invasion. The poorly armed Finish prevailed despite all odds.

Sniper training turns a simple rifleman into a weapon of long range mass destruction, which is probably the reason why most governments around the globe have been reluctant until recently to educate more than a handful of soldiers on sniping methods. Hypothetically, a team of snipers could be dangerous enough to topple the political leadership (or oligarchy) of any given nation with nothing more than a few finely tuned rifles and a couple boxes of high caliber rounds.

Governments, fearful of being outdone by such low-tech adversaries, have gone to great lengths in an attempt to negate the sniper as a threat. Night vision, thermal vision, sound detection equipment, gas attacks, white phosphorous attacks, even large scale artillery barrages and laser guided missiles have not been able to stop snipers from remaining as a primary combat tool. Snipers always find a way around existing defenses, no matter how high tech.
This is why sniper techniques are one of the ultimate strategies for self defense of the common citizenry usually disarmed of military grade weaponry.

http://alt-market.com/articles/1970-sniper-basics-for-the-shtf-survivalist


You have placed a very intelligent question here “What does the strength or power in archery means” in this hadith of Prophet’s - Narrated Uqbah Ibn Amir I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say - and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. [Muslim]

Prophet said:

1) Narrated Uqbah ibn Amir I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah, Most High, will cause three persons to enter Paradise for one arrow: the maker when he has a good motive in making it, the one who shoots it, and the one who hands it; so shoot and ride, but your shooting is dearer to me than your riding. Everything with which a man amuses himself is vain except three (things): a man's training of his horse, his playing with his wife, and his shooting with his bow and arrow. If anyone abandons archery after becoming an adept through distaste for it, it is a blessing he has abandoned; or he said: for which he has been ungrateful. (Dawood; Tirmidih)

2) Narrated Salama bin Al Akwa The Prophet passed by some persons of the tribe of Aslam practicing archery (i.e. the throwing of arrows). Allah's Apostle said, "O offspring of Ishmael! Practice archery (i.e. arrow throwing) as your father was a great archer (i.e. arrow-thrower). I am with (on the side of) the son of so-and-so." Hearing that, one of the two teams stopped throwing. Allah's Apostle asked them, "Why are you not throwing?" They replied, "O Allah's Apostle! How shall we throw when you are with the opposite team?" He said, "Throw, for I am with you all." (Bukhari)

3) Narrated Uqbah ibn Amir Fuqaym al-Lakhmi said to Uqbah ibn Amir: You frequent between these two targets and you are and old man, so you will be finding it very hard. Uqbah said: But for a thing I heard from the Prophet (peace be upon him), I would not strain myself. Harith (one of the narrators in the chain of transmitters) said: I asked Ibn Shamasah: What was that? He said that he (the Prophet) said: Who learnt archery and then gave it up is not from us, or he has been guilty of disobedience (to Allah's Apostle). [Muslim]

4) Narrated Uqbah Ibn Amir I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say - and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. [Muslim]

5) Sad ibn Abi Waqqas is also known as the first companion to have shot an arrow in defence of Islam. And the Prophet once prayed for him: "O Lord, direct his shooting and respond to his prayer."

6) Umar used to issue instructions laying stress on the teaching of four things to the soldiers, namely: horse-racing; archery; walking barefoot, and swimming.

http://misconceptions-clarified.blogspot.com/2013/02/prophet-said-beware-strength-consists.html?m=1

Crossbows are silent and fast too.

In modern times, crossbows have been largely supplanted by firearms in most roles, but are still widely used for shooting sports, hunting, and when shooting in relative silence is an important consideration.
 
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Answer: how did David beat goliath? Or was that a rhetorical question? ??

Kam min fi atin qalleelin ghalabat fi atin thatheerin bi idhn Allah?


For a long time sniper tactics have been considered by many, even in the military, to be akin to a kind of state designated “murder” rather than a legitimate combat strategy. Only in recent years has sniping achieved a certain level of recognition. Centuries of warfare have passed in which snipers were happily recruited for their skills, and then quickly swept under the rug and forgotten once conflict was over. Daniel Morgan and his crack-shot riflemen were instrumental in America's revolutionary victory over the British. U.S. sharpshooters rained hell down on German troops from over 900 yards during WWI. Snipers have dominated the battlefield in every modern conflagration. Yet, regimented sniping schools were not standardized in the U.S. Army until 1987. All previous schools were abandoned within a few years of their establishment.
Why did it take so long for the sniper to be recognized as essential to victory? Perhaps because snipers are TOO effective, to the point that they become frightening to the establishment.

During the Finnish “Winter War” against the Soviet Union in which they were vastly outnumbered and outgunned, guerrilla tactics, which they called “Motti tactics”, were used to excellent effect. The Finnish devastated the Soviets using hit and run attacks, homemade and improvised weapons, and snipers. The most famous of these snipers was Simo Hayha.

Simo was a common farmer with a diminutive stature of only 5 feet 3 inches tall. His shooting prowess was honed as a hunter in the wilderness of Finland. Simo is credited with over 505 (official) kills, including several teams of Soviet counter-snipers sent specifically to eliminate him. These kills were made during less than 100 days of combat, meaning Hayha engaged and destroyed 5 targets per day by himself. Known as the “White Death”, Simo would finally be removed from the battlefield by a lucky shot from an explosive tipped rifle round to the face while holding off a Soviet advance; he would wake up later in a Finnish hospital at the very end of the war and die of old age in the year 2002.

Simo Hayha proved once and for all the effectiveness of a single shooter in the face of a more powerful opponent. This kind of attrition warfare stopped the more technologically advanced Russians in their tracks, and ended their pursuit of total invasion. The poorly armed Finish prevailed despite all odds.

Sniper training turns a simple rifleman into a weapon of long range mass destruction, which is probably the reason why most governments around the globe have been reluctant until recently to educate more than a handful of soldiers on sniping methods. Hypothetically, a team of snipers could be dangerous enough to topple the political leadership (or oligarchy) of any given nation with nothing more than a few finely tuned rifles and a couple boxes of high caliber rounds.

Governments, fearful of being outdone by such low-tech adversaries, have gone to great lengths in an attempt to negate the sniper as a threat. Night vision, thermal vision, sound detection equipment, gas attacks, white phosphorous attacks, even large scale artillery barrages and laser guided missiles have not been able to stop snipers from remaining as a primary combat tool. Snipers always find a way around existing defenses, no matter how high tech.
This is why sniper techniques are one of the ultimate strategies for self defense of the common citizenry usually disarmed of military grade weaponry.

http://alt-market.com/articles/1970-sniper-basics-for-the-shtf-survivalist


You have placed a very intelligent question here “What does the strength or power in archery means” in this hadith of Prophet’s - Narrated Uqbah Ibn Amir I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say - and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. [Muslim]

Prophet said:

1) Narrated Uqbah ibn Amir I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah, Most High, will cause three persons to enter Paradise for one arrow: the maker when he has a good motive in making it, the one who shoots it, and the one who hands it; so shoot and ride, but your shooting is dearer to me than your riding. Everything with which a man amuses himself is vain except three (things): a man's training of his horse, his playing with his wife, and his shooting with his bow and arrow. If anyone abandons archery after becoming an adept through distaste for it, it is a blessing he has abandoned; or he said: for which he has been ungrateful. (Dawood; Tirmidih)

2) Narrated Salama bin Al Akwa The Prophet passed by some persons of the tribe of Aslam practicing archery (i.e. the throwing of arrows). Allah's Apostle said, "O offspring of Ishmael! Practice archery (i.e. arrow throwing) as your father was a great archer (i.e. arrow-thrower). I am with (on the side of) the son of so-and-so." Hearing that, one of the two teams stopped throwing. Allah's Apostle asked them, "Why are you not throwing?" They replied, "O Allah's Apostle! How shall we throw when you are with the opposite team?" He said, "Throw, for I am with you all." (Bukhari)

3) Narrated Uqbah ibn Amir Fuqaym al-Lakhmi said to Uqbah ibn Amir: You frequent between these two targets and you are and old man, so you will be finding it very hard. Uqbah said: But for a thing I heard from the Prophet (peace be upon him), I would not strain myself. Harith (one of the narrators in the chain of transmitters) said: I asked Ibn Shamasah: What was that? He said that he (the Prophet) said: Who learnt archery and then gave it up is not from us, or he has been guilty of disobedience (to Allah's Apostle). [Muslim]

4) Narrated Uqbah Ibn Amir I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say - and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. [Muslim]

5) Sad ibn Abi Waqqas is also known as the first companion to have shot an arrow in defence of Islam. And the Prophet once prayed for him: "O Lord, direct his shooting and respond to his prayer."

6) Umar used to issue instructions laying stress on the teaching of four things to the soldiers, namely: horse-racing; archery; walking barefoot, and swimming.

http://misconceptions-clarified.blogspot.com/2013/02/prophet-said-beware-strength-consists.html?m=1

Crossbows are silent and fast too.
did you even bother to read the links and description, brother Abz? I was talking about a specific event where 38 men ALREADY took control of a nation, which amazed me. And no, they did not use snipers.
 
You asked a question - I gave the best answer I can think of bi idhn Allah. I'm not here for light banter or theoretical frivolitiy - but to assist in Allah's work to the best of my ability given the circumstances.
Your question was answered as asked.
 
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Alparslan Türkeş was just a colonel in the 1960 coup. That was not a coup of him. The 1960 coup was just like the 1980 coup was planned and organized by America. The Coupes all over the world are always plotted by America. You cant do a coup by yourself
 
Alparslan Türkeş was just a colonel in the 1960 coup. That was not a coup of him. The 1960 coup was just like the 1980 coup was planned and organized by America. The Coupes all over the world are always plotted by America. You cant do a coup by yourself

The wise are embarked on a different coup planned and organized by Allah, it relates to the waking up of humanity and attaining salvation in this world and in eternity. The corrupt know that Islam is taking over and are desperately trying to shake things up and cause polarization based on nothing significant - to the extent that they are willing to false flag and even fund fighters on all sides in order to keep the confusion going. Makes me admire the masonic method of taking control sort of, but in an honest way for Allah'' sake and on a more individual level globally. Once we have enough people who accept the true and just ways that Allah has revealed - it's a coup.
 
Yeah, Islamist nationalists like him always use the 'victim' card.

Devout Muslims in Turkey are objectively and factually victims of the Deep State of the self-proclaimed defenders of Atatürk's legacy and their oppressive state secularism. Islamic piety has been suppressed and the pious suffered state-sanctioned discrimination. Merve Kavakci was exiled and stripped of citizenship for wearing a hijab inside parliament. Critically, the Deep State considered itself above democracy and was utterly unapologetic about pulling the kill switch on it whenever it led to an outcome they didn't like, and Turkish secularists supported it in doing so. Pious Muslims did not have any way to obtain change through democratic means. From day one of his reign, Erdogan lived under the shadow of the threat of military coup, and had his acts blocked by unelected, unaccountable, unreplaceable judges. Erdogan knows this, and more critically, his followers know this. They know it's either him or a return to the days of the stranglehold of the Deep State. So they support him, even as he is making himself Sultan.

Turkish democracy wasn't killed by Erdogan. It was stillborn all along, suffocated in its infancy by Kemalists who paid lip service to it but didn't accept the fact that it could lead to Kemalism being voted out. Now, when their power slipped to the opposite camp, and the opposite camp returns the favour, the Kemalists are the biggest whiners.

But word is coming out that the coup was staged, based on media reports and coup plotters' testimony. We might very well see another coup in Turkey backed by the people if word gets out, or even a revolution, civil war, or arrest leading to lynching, assassination, execution, or life imprisonment (EDIT: Of Erdogan)

Dream on. During the recent referendum, his followers came out in force and proclaimed their readiness to die for him. Essentially saying they're with him because he's their guy, regardless of whether he cheated or not. For the reason, see above.
 
Devout Muslims in Turkey are objectively and factually victims of the Deep State of the self-proclaimed defenders of Atatürk's legacy and their oppressive state secularism. Islamic piety has been suppressed and the pious suffered state-sanctioned discrimination. Merve Kavakci was exiled and stripped of citizenship for wearing a hijab inside parliament. Critically, the Deep State considered itself above democracy and was utterly unapologetic about pulling the kill switch on it whenever it led to an outcome they didn't like, and Turkish secularists supported it in doing so. Pious Muslims did not have any way to obtain change through democratic means. From day one of his reign, Erdogan lived under the shadow of the threat of military coup, and had his acts blocked by unelected, unaccountable, unreplaceable judges. Erdogan knows this, and more critically, his followers know this. They know it's either him or a return to the days of the stranglehold of the Deep State. So they support him, even as he is making himself Sultan.

Turkish democracy wasn't killed by Erdogan. It was stillborn all along, suffocated in its infancy by Kemalists who paid lip service to it but didn't accept the fact that it could lead to Kemalism being voted out. Now, when their power slipped to the opposite camp, and the opposite camp returns the favour, the Kemalists are the biggest whiners.



Dream on. During the recent referendum, his followers came out in force and proclaimed their readiness to die for him. Essentially saying they're with him because he's their guy, regardless of whether he cheated or not. For the reason, see above.
Neither side is good. Hardliner ultra-secularist Kemalists, or dictatorship Islamists. Erdogan is a crook who deserves to be hung for the 250 martyrs of July 15.
 
Devout Muslims in Turkey are objectively and factually victims of the Deep State of the self-proclaimed defenders of Atatürk's legacy and their oppressive state secularism. Islamic piety has been suppressed and the pious suffered state-sanctioned discrimination. Merve Kavakci was exiled and stripped of citizenship for wearing a hijab inside parliament. Critically, the Deep State considered itself above democracy and was utterly unapologetic about pulling the kill switch on it whenever it led to an outcome they didn't like, and Turkish secularists supported it in doing so. Pious Muslims did not have any way to obtain change through democratic means. From day one of his reign, Erdogan lived under the shadow of the threat of military coup, and had his acts blocked by unelected, unaccountable, unreplaceable judges. Erdogan knows this, and more critically, his followers know this. They know it's either him or a return to the days of the stranglehold of the Deep State. So they support him, even as he is making himself Sultan.

Turkish democracy wasn't killed by Erdogan. It was stillborn all along, suffocated in its infancy by Kemalists who paid lip service to it but didn't accept the fact that it could lead to Kemalism being voted out. Now, when their power slipped to the opposite camp, and the opposite camp returns the favour, the Kemalists are the biggest whiners.



Dream on. During the recent referendum, his followers came out in force and proclaimed their readiness to die for him. Essentially saying they're with him because he's their guy, regardless of whether he cheated or not. For the reason, see above.
And, also, what exactly do you consider to be worse? Sending a woman to jail for KNOWINGLY violating the law by wearing a hijab in parliament (REGARDLESS of whether or not it is right, it is the law, and she should work somewhere else if it mean that much to her) or sending tens of thousands to prison to be tortured, most of whom weren't even soldiers, but teachers, for a coup they did not committ? EDIT: Islamists will always play the victim card for when THEIR beliefs are violated, but not when others rights are violated, including atheists, Gulenists, political opposition, secularists (irreligious people), Christians, Jews, etc.
 
Devout Muslims in Turkey are objectively and factually victims of the Deep State of the self-proclaimed defenders of Atatürk's legacy and their oppressive state secularism. Islamic piety has been suppressed and the pious suffered state-sanctioned discrimination. Merve Kavakci was exiled and stripped of citizenship for wearing a hijab inside parliament. Critically, the Deep State considered itself above democracy and was utterly unapologetic about pulling the kill switch on it whenever it led to an outcome they didn't like, and Turkish secularists supported it in doing so. Pious Muslims did not have any way to obtain change through democratic means. From day one of his reign, Erdogan lived under the shadow of the threat of military coup, and had his acts blocked by unelected, unaccountable, unreplaceable judges. Erdogan knows this, and more critically, his followers know this. They know it's either him or a return to the days of the stranglehold of the Deep State. So they support him, even as he is making himself Sultan.

Turkish democracy wasn't killed by Erdogan. It was stillborn all along, suffocated in its infancy by Kemalists who paid lip service to it but didn't accept the fact that it could lead to Kemalism being voted out. Now, when their power slipped to the opposite camp, and the opposite camp returns the favour, the Kemalists are the biggest whiners.



Dream on. During the recent referendum, his followers came out in force and proclaimed their readiness to die for him. Essentially saying they're with him because he's their guy, regardless of whether he cheated or not. For the reason, see above.
You dream on. The truth will come out eventually that Erdogan murdered hundreds. And dozens more in prison, including teachers.
 
The wise are embarked on a different coup planned and organized by Allah, it relates to the waking up of humanity and attaining salvation in this world and in eternity. The corrupt know that Islam is taking over and are desperately trying to shake things up and cause polarization based on nothing significant - to the extent that they are willing to false flag and even fund fighters on all sides in order to keep the confusion going. Makes me admire the masonic method of taking control sort of, but in an honest way for Allah'' sake and on a more individual level globally. Once we have enough people who accept the true and just ways that Allah has revealed - it's a coup.

Of course as Quran says "They are planning and Allah is also planning. Allah is the best of planners"
 
Of course as Quran says "They are planning and Allah is also planning. Allah is the best of planners"
you claim "feto" is a terrorist organization. we did not do coup. we did not train PKK. we did not assassinate hrant dink. we did not do those shootings. EU, NATO, US, and German intelligence all say Gulen was not behind coup. Kemal Kilicdaroglu says it was a "controlled coup." He represents 1/4 of voters. Erdogan suppressed state media. Evidence by coup plotters' testimony points to MIT's involvement (Turkish National Intelligence organization). You tried to brainwash me into hating my own people and family. Hulusi Akar (chief of staff) and Hakan Fidan (Intelligence officer) were informed by soldiers and Dogu Perincek ahead of time. There is no free media in Turkey. Erdogan rigged elections. Adil Oksuz works for MIT and disappeared. Turkish people will be punished for their sins against the Gulenist people.
 
The wise are embarked on a different coup planned and organized by Allah, it relates to the waking up of humanity and attaining salvation in this world and in eternity. The corrupt know that Islam is taking over and are desperately trying to shake things up and cause polarization based on nothing significant - to the extent that they are willing to false flag and even fund fighters on all sides in order to keep the confusion going. Makes me admire the masonic method of taking control sort of, but in an honest way for Allah'' sake and on a more individual level globally. Once we have enough people who accept the true and just ways that Allah has revealed - it's a coup.
and as for YOU, stop blaming the West and "freemasonry" and "Illuminati" for all of Muslim world's problems. The latter two don't exist (well, freemasonry does, but it isn't a secret society ruling the world, you are clearly misinformed).......and the Muslim world is to blame for it's problems, as we blame all of our problems on the "evil Jews" and the "evil Zionists" and "evil illuminati" and "evil kuffar" and "crusaders" and "false flags" Osama bin laden did 9/11.
 
These conspiracy theories and finger pointing need to stop. The Muslim world is corrupt because of it's own wrongdoing. Is the west pointing a gun to your head and telling you to force 6-9 year old girls to get married to 50 year old men in afghanistan and yemen, (against shariah) or beat your wives, (against shariah) or jail journalists, (against shairah) or torture political opposition, (against shariah) or kill civilians (against shariah), or force rape victims to marry their victims? (against shariah)
 
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