You can see viruses,
You just need a microscope.
I know you believe that a god created everything, that’s your religion.
The Coronavirus is not a bacteria, it’s a virus.
Are you saying this virus was send by god, and is spreading with his blessing ?
How could the universe and life start without God, how did life evolve without God?
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You can see viruses,
You just need a microscope.
I know you believe that a god created everything, that’s your religion.
The Coronavirus is not a bacteria, it’s a virus.
Are you saying this virus was send by god, and is spreading with his blessing ?
Hi Eric
I do hear some distressing stories in my job,
There are quite a few people that have fallen on hard times that were quite happy and settled a few months ago, people that are not used to deprivation.
I also see the good side of humanity, the number of people donating money, food, time, vehicles fills my heart with joy.
Two hands hands helping, is better than a 1000 hands praying.
How are you getting by, do you have people around you, helping you out ?
When you repeat the same random direction 176 times, I think it would constitute habitual behaviour.
The mutations are random, but the selection process is not, natural selection, always selects what is beneficial.
So the direction ( whatever direction that is ) is the direction that is most beneficial.
We only see the results of the beneficial selections, all the others are out bred or die.
Evolution says that random mutation and selection have no goals, but this process does seem goal driven to me.
It’s true, there is no goal, it’s a blind process
The mutations are random, offspring differ slightly form their parents, who differ slightly from their parents etc etc
It’s these slight changes, and how they effect the organisms to preform in nature ( pass on their genes determine what gets selects )
The lens probably did evolve in the sea,
Even if there were no environmental impact on the organism, there are still genetic difference between parent and offspring
Good questions
Evolution applies to life once it has started,
Abiogenesis is the study of how life started,
That is a separate field of sciences.
If natural selection always selects for what is beneficial,
Then having a eye and brain must be more beneficial that not.
Hi chalks,
We also come into contact with deprivation, sadly it is everywhere. Again we see the good in people when they rally round together to help out.
I have witnessed amazing things happen through prayer. A few years ago in our town, the churches recognised increasing poverty. about a dozen or so from various churches met together to pray' after praying it was decided we should open up a food bank and it happened, it has now been running for several years staffed by unpaid church volunteers.
Homelessness has been an increasing problem, again people from our churches prayed, and after about three years we opened up our first shelter, we now have four houses for the homeless with some paid staff and also volunteers. In the last year we have an interfaith group who are looking to do more of this kind of work together.
I think abiogenesis is the study of how the first of anything started. The first brain cell, light sensitive cells, muscles, there has to be thousands if not millions of things that had to start a first time.
As you have explained, the word evolution means that something has to exist first before it can evolve.
Until light sensitive cells / patch come into existence, we can't talk about how they evolved. Nilsson recognised this as a problem and bypassed it by saying we shall start with a ready made light sensitive patch. Darwin had this same problem, until there was a finch with a beak, there would be no beak to evolve any further.
Whilst I accept evolution as a fact; it cannot explain how the first of anything came to be. Only after the first happens, then evolution can kick in.
There would have been a time when both parents did not have any kind of light sensitive cells, limbs. muscles, brains etc; then what happened?
We also come into contact with deprivation, sadly it is everywhere. Again we see the good in people when they rally round together to help out.
I have witnessed amazing things happen through prayer. A few years ago in our town, the churches recognised increasing poverty. about a dozen or so from various churches met together to pray' after praying it was decided we should open up a food bank and it happened, it has now been running for several years staffed by unpaid church volunteers.
Homelessness has been an increasing problem, again people from our churches prayed, and after about three years we opened up our first shelter, we now have four houses for the homeless with some paid staff and also volunteers. In the last year we have an interfaith group who are looking to do more of this kind of work together.
I think abiogenesis is the study of how the first of anything started. The first brain cell, light sensitive cells, muscles, there has to be thousands if not millions of things that had to start a first time.
As you have explained, the word evolution means that something has to exist first before it can evolve.
Until light sensitive cells / patch come into existence, we can't talk about how they evolved. Nilsson recognised this as a problem and bypassed it by saying we shall start with a ready made light sensitive patch. Darwin had this same problem, until there was a finch with a beak, there would be no beak to evolve any further.
Whilst I accept evolution as a fact; it cannot explain how the first of anything came to be. Only after the first happens, then evolution can kick in.
There would have been a time when both parents did not have any kind of light sensitive cells, limbs. muscles, brains etc; then what happened?
I know it can be seen by a microscope but have you seen it? If not, why are you taking the precautions?
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So evolution is incremental change but also it can change one species to another like dinosaurs into birds?
As our friend chalks has not replied for a while; I would just like to sum up the main points so far.
There is no science to show how the universe came to be. If the Big Bang happened science cannot go any further back.
There is no science to show how life started.
Evolution means that something has to exist first before it can evolve and change. There is no science to show how light sensitive cells first came into existence. There is no science to show how the first brain cells, optic nerves, muscles or bones came to be. There are probably thousands if not millions of things that have to come into existence before evolution and natural selection get the chance to work.
The last 87 replies have not shown any science to show how any of this could happen without God.
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
There is no science to show how the universe came to be. If the Big Bang happened science cannot go any further back.
There is no science to show how life started.
Evolution means that something has to exist first before it can evolve and change. There is no science to show how light sensitive cells first came into existence. There is no science to show how the first brain cells, optic nerves, muscles or bones came to be. There are probably thousands if not millions of things that have to come into existence before evolution and natural selection get the chance to work.
The last 87 replies have not shown any science to show how any of this could happen without God.
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
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In Surāh al-Tūr (35/36), Allah ta'ala says:
أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ ۰أَمْ خَلَقُوا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بَل لَّا يُوقِنُونَ
“Were they created from nothing, or are they creators themselves? Or [if as they say, Allāh did not create everything, then] did they [themselves] create the heavens and the earth? The fact is that they have no conviction”.
From the aforementioned verse, four scenarios - explicit and implicit - can be inferred:
1. Creation was created from nothing. ‘من غير شيء’ can have a few interpretations: created without any purpose, created without a creator or created from nothing, as mentioned by Imām al-Rāzī. The translation is based on the latter interpretation;
2. Creation are creators of themselves;
3. Everything being created by a created being;
4. And, finally, everything being created by an uncreated being.
Now, let’s discuss the first scenario:
Read more on this link: https://ahlussunnah.boards.net/thread/727/created-shaykh-mohammad-yasir-hanafi
أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ ۰أَمْ خَلَقُوا السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ بَل لَّا يُوقِنُونَ
“Were they created from nothing, or are they creators themselves? Or [if as they say, Allāh did not create everything, then] did they [themselves] create the heavens and the earth? The fact is that they have no conviction”.
From the aforementioned verse, four scenarios - explicit and implicit - can be inferred:
1. Creation was created from nothing. ‘من غير شيء’ can have a few interpretations: created without any purpose, created without a creator or created from nothing, as mentioned by Imām al-Rāzī. The translation is based on the latter interpretation;
2. Creation are creators of themselves;
3. Everything being created by a created being;
4. And, finally, everything being created by an uncreated being.
Now, let’s discuss the first scenario:
Read more on this link: https://ahlussunnah.boards.net/thread/727/created-shaykh-mohammad-yasir-hanafi
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The existence of Allah is undeniable. Some people believe that because you were raised with a religion, you will accept the existence of God (Allah).
But that's not true. Adam 'alayhi salaam is aware of it, and Allah has made all Adam's descendants, including us, also aware of this.
[h=2]And @ when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." [SIZE=3]Surah Al-Araf 172[/SIZE][/SIZE][/h];
nice sum up eric...just your last sentence bothers me. Science does not exclude God. Even if science WAS able to explain various points in your sum up in a logical way...this still DOES NOT prove that God does not exist...He could still be there in the background.
Greetings and peace be with you Ümit;
This was intended for our friend chalk to answer, he seems to acknowledge that science and logic proves there is no God, so please show us the science. So far there does not seem to be anything convincing.
God created all that is seen and unseen. When scientists find out how God created the universe, they will know the truth.
I pray that you are feeling blessed through Ramadan, and all is well in Germany.
Eric
This was intended for our friend chalk to answer, he seems to acknowledge that science and logic proves there is no God, so please show us the science. So far there does not seem to be anything convincing.
God created all that is seen and unseen. When scientists find out how God created the universe, they will know the truth.
I pray that you are feeling blessed through Ramadan, and all is well in Germany.
Eric
Hi Eric
Sorry I have not replied Eric ,
I’ve had two deaths in the family, not from coronavirus.
I’ve not forgotten about our conversation.
i'm sorry for your loss chalks. deaths in the family is never easy. especially when they were close to you or when you were used to them being around you.
but death is the only thing which is a guarantee to all of us that we know about our future. it will happen to all of us... without exception. we can only hope it will be a peacefull death...and without suffering.
we have a saying in Turkish:
may God give us all deaths in the right order.
Thank you for you kind words umit
They were both elderly relatives, they lived a full life.
I’m more upset for the people they left behind,
Death is the price we pay for living
Nothing certain but Death and taxes.
Thank you Eric
Death is never easy,
I feel more for my parents,
My mum is taking in particularly hard,
We have, as we always do, come together as a family to try and support each other.
Thank you for your kind words.
I’ve not forgotten our conversation, it will have to go in the back burner for a few weeks .
Bump - I am not allowed to respond to existing threads on the existence of God; so I have bumped this one again.