Yoke dis for you man, http://yoke.cc/0funny10.jpg try it
But don't actually DO what's on the link, unless you wana dat is
Al least you have a sense of humor
only for people who are interested in truth.
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It's already been proven by various scientists, who won Nobel prizes themselves. Not a single bit of the Islamic creation story contradicts the evidence.
Humour* Don't be shilly..
I just don't get the point of this thread,
anyways waiting for Fishdude to reply with proof, although i believe him, buh atleast it'll shut you up...eh?
Laters man!
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Abiogenesis seeks to find the answer to how the very first cells formed on Earth and still continues to along with the theory of pamspermia (my opinion is pamspermia will be shown as the reason why life arrived to Earth) and last is creation from clay.
Currently Abiogenesis moves slowly towards what is still a great scientific mystery. Panspermia has made massive headway and now a serious contender to a possible answer (of which only more questions will be asked). creation from clay has taken quite a pounding and is now religated to third place out of all these options.
Nonsense....... Besides "PROVEN" is not a concept accepted in science, nothing can ever be absolute proven that is for the realms of faith and religion only...... And why are we all of a sudeen dropping creation from "Clay", it was all so popular once upon a time, sometimes religion is like fashion, and clay seems right out of fashion at the moment. Whatever you inclined to beleive beleive this, ABIOGENESIS HAS NOT shown how life was created......
Further, if science had "proved" how the first life formed science would be able to replicate that. The fact is cannot currently only reinforces the nonsense of such notions.
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Dont you mean seeing and in?
I don't agree with the scientific attitude of the word proven although technically it is the only way we have at the moment.
No i like to play with style
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Like i said before this is a pointless debate. A person who denies the mircales of Quran even after being provided the prove. Only one thing comes to mind THE BLIND, THE DEAF, and THE VERY STUPID.
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fancy giving us a link where you criticize others with gramma since many do it on this forum including me, or is it reserved for Yoke only?
In essence we are talking from a scientific point of view that answers to given questions are either supported or not supported by the scientific data. What people wish to believe beyond that is for them and them alone. Only do we teach our kids in a science class that "God" created man when the scientific data does not support that position?
It might be pointless for you but explain why so many people have posted and are reading it.
Some people like to think for themselves and are interested in reality.
That says it all really they have no answer to the challenges of their faith even though you bend over backwards to engage in a discussion with them.
A final word tonight for the creationists. Don't be afraid to acknowledge that your faith led you astray everybody should be always learning.
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Abiogenesis often claims that life originated from some gunk around a geothermal vent. The word 'clay' in the Quran may possibly be refering to this gunk, as it probably looked something like wet clay.
You know what I mean by proven. I'm saying 'proven' as in 'it's proven that the Earth is around 4.5 billion years old'.
There once was no life. Then something caused life to develop from non-living substances. That's abiogenesis proven, considering that the word 'abiogenesis' literally means 'life from no life'. If by abiogenesis you mean 'the hypothesis that life developed from chemicals found on Earth', no I do not consider that proven.
And whether you believe in panspermia, clay theory or something else, we all know that life formed from water and various chemicals.
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Greetings,
Why be so rude about people whose only offence is having different beliefs than you do?
Peace
Why be so rude about people whose only offence is having different beliefs than you do?
Peace
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Greetings,
Perhaps, but there are lots of other reasons too. Europe was in the Dark Ages partly because of the dominance of the Church, which was then at its most powerful, and suppressed almost every advance in secular learning as heretical.
The Islamic world during the Middle Ages was undoubtedly the most advanced civilisation of its time. It was helped in this by, among other things, its preservation of the works of the Ancient Greeks (particularly Aristotle), just one aspect of its achievement for which the rest of the world should be forever grateful.
However, the Muslim attitude to learning seems to have undergone a profound shift since then, and the "shut up and don't ask questions" attitude expressed by that hadith seems to have overtaken the search for secular knowledge for its own sake. I see examples of this here on the forum pretty much every day.
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There are many verses in the Quran which tell humans to study the Earth and the universe. Could this prehaps partly explain why Muslim science advanced so much when Europe was in the dark ages?
Perhaps, but there are lots of other reasons too. Europe was in the Dark Ages partly because of the dominance of the Church, which was then at its most powerful, and suppressed almost every advance in secular learning as heretical.
The Islamic world during the Middle Ages was undoubtedly the most advanced civilisation of its time. It was helped in this by, among other things, its preservation of the works of the Ancient Greeks (particularly Aristotle), just one aspect of its achievement for which the rest of the world should be forever grateful.
However, the Muslim attitude to learning seems to have undergone a profound shift since then, and the "shut up and don't ask questions" attitude expressed by that hadith seems to have overtaken the search for secular knowledge for its own sake. I see examples of this here on the forum pretty much every day.
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Why did the Early Muslims start doing science?
The thing is, whilst a Muslim philosopher or scholar may be able to answer the argument 'who created Allah', someone who does not know much may not, and it may affect their faith in a negative way.
BTW, I think you are more polite than many of the other atheists on this forum, Czgibson.
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Note to all members: This thread was already closed once, for people expressing unciviliased manners, mockery of others and just damn well rudeness. As mods/admins/super mods we don't have all the time in the world. We are not the police center and nor do we expect to keep reminding the same people over and over again about the sort of manners they should have.
I will address the muslims and not the non-muslims. Why? because you should know better. How on earth do you think someone is going to listen to you if all you do is laugh and mock them? Is that the teaching of Islam?
In addition please don't jump on the wagon if you have not mastered walking. I read the same uninformed comments and its appauling. If you don't know a topic don't join in, silence is a virtue.
The theory of Evolution states that Humans and chimps share a common ancestor. Those are the facts of evolution, i don't agree with them but there you have it. Not this nonsense about our great ancestors being chimps.
Knowledge is very vital brothers and sister and so is patience and akhlaq. If i see one more transgression this thread will be shut and warnings will be issued generously. I've warned you all, i'm not gonna spend my time reminding you all again.
Note to all members: This thread was already closed once, for people expressing unciviliased manners, mockery of others and just damn well rudeness. As mods/admins/super mods we don't have all the time in the world. We are not the police center and nor do we expect to keep reminding the same people over and over again about the sort of manners they should have.
I will address the muslims and not the non-muslims. Why? because you should know better. How on earth do you think someone is going to listen to you if all you do is laugh and mock them? Is that the teaching of Islam?
In addition please don't jump on the wagon if you have not mastered walking. I read the same uninformed comments and its appauling. If you don't know a topic don't join in, silence is a virtue.
The theory of Evolution states that Humans and chimps share a common ancestor. Those are the facts of evolution, i don't agree with them but there you have it. Not this nonsense about our great ancestors being chimps.
Knowledge is very vital brothers and sister and so is patience and akhlaq. If i see one more transgression this thread will be shut and warnings will be issued generously. I've warned you all, i'm not gonna spend my time reminding you all again.
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Only for people interested in truth part 2
I typed all this only to find the thread closed, so I created a new one to make my final point:
OK, so at least we have established that currently it's not proven even in as much we know the earth to be of "roundish" shape. Allow me to propose for one moment the probability that Abiogenesis did not occur on this planet at any given time and that life was "delivered" to earth via comets. If we accept this point for one moment and then imagine that the DNA within this life could be billions of years older than life itself on earth indeed our dna that we carry could have origins going back in time far beyond our wildest imagination and well before even our solar system formed, Evolution in itself could be using DNA strutures formed well before life on earth and evolution may or may not actually play a universal role in spreading similar life throughout the universe. Then again perhaps comets only brought the chemical componants that allowed Abiogenesis to occur as we now know comets are rich in amino acids & water (the building blocks of life) these chemicals of life could have formed as basic rna molecules before DNA molecules and then life. Then again abiogenesis even if had only occured using the funadamental building blocks of life delivered to it via a comet would mean DNA life only exists within a closed planet. The least option and I suppose it should be given is that God created man on this planet and created the planet specifically for this task (and i in no way think thos is true).
The whole point is that currently nobody knows which is true, it's an exciting time within science and whenever we get to answer the question to the best of scientific ability, it only asks more questions than it answers.
For me, when I ask "why am I here", I am very unhappy with because God created me and has created me so I may worship him. I find that so limited that in itself it denies the buety of live in abundace throughout the universe in a Universal evolutionary system that creationism and faith in my mind denies us the right to accept this great concept as being in someway evil and bad and not worthy of our time when we can worship allah instead. Perhaps you could show me some scripture from the Koran that speaks about his creations of life throughout the whole universe and that our planet is only one of billions of other life sustaining planets...........
The only thing we know for sure is that life on this planet first appeared over 2,5 billion years ago, and all life is currently evolving and has always been evolving..............
I typed all this only to find the thread closed, so I created a new one to make my final point:
OK, so at least we have established that currently it's not proven even in as much we know the earth to be of "roundish" shape. Allow me to propose for one moment the probability that Abiogenesis did not occur on this planet at any given time and that life was "delivered" to earth via comets. If we accept this point for one moment and then imagine that the DNA within this life could be billions of years older than life itself on earth indeed our dna that we carry could have origins going back in time far beyond our wildest imagination and well before even our solar system formed, Evolution in itself could be using DNA strutures formed well before life on earth and evolution may or may not actually play a universal role in spreading similar life throughout the universe. Then again perhaps comets only brought the chemical componants that allowed Abiogenesis to occur as we now know comets are rich in amino acids & water (the building blocks of life) these chemicals of life could have formed as basic rna molecules before DNA molecules and then life. Then again abiogenesis even if had only occured using the funadamental building blocks of life delivered to it via a comet would mean DNA life only exists within a closed planet. The least option and I suppose it should be given is that God created man on this planet and created the planet specifically for this task (and i in no way think thos is true).
The whole point is that currently nobody knows which is true, it's an exciting time within science and whenever we get to answer the question to the best of scientific ability, it only asks more questions than it answers.
For me, when I ask "why am I here", I am very unhappy with because God created me and has created me so I may worship him. I find that so limited that in itself it denies the buety of live in abundace throughout the universe in a Universal evolutionary system that creationism and faith in my mind denies us the right to accept this great concept as being in someway evil and bad and not worthy of our time when we can worship allah instead. Perhaps you could show me some scripture from the Koran that speaks about his creations of life throughout the whole universe and that our planet is only one of billions of other life sustaining planets...........
The only thing we know for sure is that life on this planet first appeared over 2,5 billion years ago, and all life is currently evolving and has always been evolving..............
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