What's Going On??!!

[searchingsoul]

if anyone intends to start a islamic state count me in

I think the USA would allow you start your own Islamic state as long as you secluded yourself from the rest of society and lived peacefully amongst yourselves. The Amish have done this for many years.

 

[amirah_87]

Start a new society somewhere new far away, and implament the sharia and invite people to live there if they want to. It's quit simple I'm suprised someone hasn't done it yet.

ass salaamu alaykum

i might have just the place for you ..it's a little village in the middle east, sum of you might of heard of it already....the nice thing about it is your studying knowledge 24/7 with sum shyukh...it ain't that small anymore beacsue there's like a couple of thousand ppl there now ...and it's only for ppl who are seekin' ilm...it's also totally secluded from the dunya!!
it's a beatiful place mashaAllah...you feel like your in the days of the Prophet salalaahu 3aalayhi wasallam!!..subhaanallah :wub:

wa alaykum ass salaam

 

[Ghazi]

I think the USA would allow you start your own Islamic state as long as you secluded yourself from the rest of society and lived peacefully amongst yourselves. The Amish have done this for many years.

USA? they're not even worth my time don't need no permission from them.

 

[Ghazi]

ass salaamu alaykum

i might have just the place for you ..it's a little village in the middle east, sum of you might of heard of it already....the nice thing about it is your studying knowledge 24/7 with sum shyukh...it ain't that small anymore beacsue there's like a couple of thousand ppl there now ...and it's only for ppl who are seekin' ilm...it's also totally secluded from the dunya!!
it's a beatiful place mashaAllah...you feel like your in the days of the Prophet salalaahu 3aalayhi wasallam!!..subhaanallah :wub:

wa alaykum ass salaam

where's this place you speak of?

 

[searchingsoul]

USA? they're not even worth my time don't need no permission from them.

Sorry you feel that way. I still think that it's a good suggestion for anyone truly interested in living a life uncommon to the majority of society.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ass salaamu alaykum

i might have just the place for you ..it's a little village in the middle east, sum of you might of heard of it already....the nice thing about it is your studying knowledge 24/7 with sum shyukh...it ain't that small anymore beacsue there's like a couple of thousand ppl there now ...and it's only for ppl who are seekin' ilm...it's also totally secluded from the dunya!!
it's a beatiful place mashaAllah...you feel like your in the days of the Prophet salalaahu 3aalayhi wasallam!!..subhaanallah :wub:

wa alaykum ass salaam

WHAT THE!!!! SUBHANALLAH!!

THIS IS MY DREAM!! WHERE IS THIS?? :? :? :?

 

[guyabano]

Start a new society somewhere new far away, and implament the sharia and invite people to live there if they want to. It's quit simple I'm suprised someone hasn't done it yet.

hmm, sorry dude , but doesn't your ideology not look like the creation of Israel also ? "Start a new society somewhere new far away...."
And who say, you will have peaceful neighbours there? What if those native people of this "far away place" will claim their rights on "their" territory. Will you fight them back?
Hmmm, somehow, this remembers me the conflict between Palestins and Israelis.


I suggest you the Moon for your "far away place..."

 

[Ghazi]

Far As I know the whole world is populated and at the beggining we won't need much land, for example if any muslim nation would just give us a bit of land fi sibililah then that would be great. The whole point of it is to start fresh and rule according to the sharia without any puppet goverments in place.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Muslims have been talking about restoring the ummah for centuries now. I'd love to see it happen, simply because I'd really like to see what a sharia state looks like, having been told about how perfect it would be by many, many Muslims over the years. Unfortunately, I don't think the prospects are good.

I'm about to ask a very generalised question, involving implied stereotypes about Muslims, but I hope you'll agree that this question contains a grain of truth:

Would it be fair to say that the organisational skills of Muslims as a whole have been lacking for a long time, and that unless they can work together at a wholly improved cooperative level, then the common goal of a united ummah under sharia law will remain nothing more than a fantasy?

Sorry if anyone's offended by this, but I really think an entirely new game-plan is needed if Muslims are ever to achieve the goals they long for so keenly.

Peace

 

[Dahir]

Sorry if anyone's offended by this, but I really think an entirely new game-plan is needed if Muslims are ever to achieve the goals they long for so keenly.

No one's offended, we know its reality and we face it every day. Most of us are from Southern Asia, the ME, or Africa, so dissapointment is a part of life, and perfection and prosperity aren't frequent words in our world.

 

[Malaikah]

Would it be fair to say that the organisational skills of Muslims as a whole have been lacking for a long time, and that unless they can work together at a wholly improved cooperative level, then the common goal of a united ummah under sharia law will remain nothing more than a fantasy?

I think youre missing something very important here. It has nothing to do with organisation skills or whatever, but almost everything to do with those in power (the leaders) caring more about this world and their own power, status and luxury than they do about Islam, the afterlife and the ummah. We have leaders who cant even take care of the people under their rule, let alone the whole ummah!!ffended:

 

[Dahir]

We have leaders who cant even take care of the people under their rule, let alone the whole ummah!!

Yeah. What the third world needs is Socialism, really needs it! Western values have ruined the world and created a strict caste system that makes India look like a communist republic.

 

[Woodrow]

I think the USA would allow you start your own Islamic state as long as you secluded yourself from the rest of society and lived peacefully amongst yourselves. The Amish have done this for many years.

Not only the Amish but also the Mormons, Quakers and others. I know there are a few Christian Monastaries that are secluded from the rest of America. The Branch Davidians tried to do the same thing, but David Koresh made the error of purchasing large quantities of explosives and firearms which raised the question of "If he was planning a violent overthrow of the government" (Actual solid reason for police involvement was allegations of child abuse)

It would be legaly permissable for a group of Muslims to establish their own secluded community.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings cheese,

I think youre missing something very important here. It has nothing to do with organisation skills or whatever, but almost everything to do with those in power (the leaders) caring more about this world and their own power, status and luxury than they do about Islam, the afterlife and the ummah. We have leaders who cant even take care of the people under their rule, let alone the whole ummah!!ffended:

I'm aware of that, and that thought was included in my question (or at least that was my intention). If you're not happy with your leaders, and everyone you know agrees, then why not organise yourselves to get rid of those leaders and put in place ones you would find more suitable?

Peace

 

[Dahir]

It would be legally permissable for a group of Muslims to establish their own secluded community.

That would be great, but I just think it to be a bit unreal. Firstly, many would cry foul, and that is understandable. Many secluded societies are constantly under surveillance and the the small community becomes a haven for tourists and jokes, so maybe its not something we can do within another society.

 

[searchingsoul]

That would be great, but I just think it to be a bit unreal. Firstly, man would cry foul, and that is understandable. Many secluded societies are constantly under surveillance and the the small community becomes a haven for tourists and jokes, so maybe its not something we can do within another society.

I don't think it's unreal at all. I've lived within close proximity of Amish communities and was never witness to anything negative.

 

[Dahir]

I've lived within close proximity of Amish communities

And are they reflective of a healthy society? No.

Same thing with Hawaii.

We assume that the local islanders are happy and so tranquil and, we see perfection.

When indeed, they've been stripped of land, outsourced, forced to work in low-paying jobs, and bribed to smile constantly to bring in tourism. It truly is a *bleep* life.

 

[Sis786]

Alhamdillah if the Islamic Countires are not THIRD WORLD countires and weak! In fact i personally feel that the Islamic Countires have a strong point and that is the people are NOT AFRAID TO DIE!

Look at Afghanistan come on serious it took the US and other forces no more that 3 weeks to take over when the War began and we all thought Oh no its over and the US president was similing EAR TO EAR thinking this was easy.

AND NOW almost 5 years On and whats happening the WAR is still on, Taliban fighters are still standing strong and this is all the the power of Allah SWT on thier side.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons and now maybe Iran and Saudi have oil infact most Islamic countires hold the oil!

We are in a situation that we can take the lead BUT INSTEAD these FOOLS WHO ARE OUR LEADERS! Only see green and the green is the colour on the US dollars!

All we these countries are now, are personal pets to Bush he has the leash and they follow his guide!

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT BUSH CANT READ SO WE HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION!

 

[searchingsoul]

And are they reflective of a healthy society? No.

Same thing with Hawaii.

We assume that the local islanders are happy and so tranquil and, we see perfection.

When indeed, they've been stripped of land, outsourced, forced to work in low-paying jobs, and bribed to smile constantly to bring in tourism. It truly is a *bleep* life.

I fail to see how the Amish aren't reflective of a healthy society. They are not exploited.

 

[sameer]

if we were to form an islamic nation and live by shariah law... the question is....would our scholars egos be able to handle it or are u gona have ppl form one school of though? how would we deal with the difffernces in matters of Fiqh. I guess the right set of ppl it would be nice.

Personally I think only the mehdi can bring the muslims together again. How ever i pray that someones else mite be able to do it soon or b4 him....cause as u know the coming of the mehdi is a major sign of the coming of the last day.