israel is attacking a whole city for one zionist criminal soldier!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Panatella]

There has been too much killing on both sides. The solution is complex in its simplicity. Both, sides just need to stop killing.

The problem is neither side wants to be the first to stop killing, out of fear it will seen as surrendering.

What concessions can or should be made to preserve the life of one child. Which side will be brave enough and big enough to stop the killing today?

Excellent post. One word. Pride. Children die because some people on both sides are too stubborn with pride.

 

[Chuck]

What concessions can or should be made to preserve the life of one child. Which side will be brave enough and big enough to stop the killing today?

I've given up on this thought, but I've hope in Allah so I pray.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Excellent post. One word. Pride. Children die because some people on both sides are too stubborn with pride.

Could be the consessions that were offered were only offered by some, to some, and not all are satisfied. It's not that the consessions themselves can't be made, but perhaps to some, they have yet to be offered?

I have to least this forum for awhile, but thank you all for your enlightenments.

Ninth Scribe

 

[SirZubair]

Everybody,Please consider downloading my signature (The shaykh hamza yusuf lecture) Before carrying on with this discussion.

Wa'salaam.

 

[Ghazi]

Everybody,Please consider downloading my signature (The shaykh hamza yusuf lecture) Before carrying on with this discussion.

Wa'salaam.

I've listened to it, he makes good points but again like others doesn't address the issue only condem which is getting old.

 

[SirZubair]

I've listened to it, he makes good points but again like others doesn't address the issue only condem which is getting old.

Condemning isnt 'old' until the condemned actions have stopped.

He hasnt gone into depth about the Palestine issue,but in the audio,he has addressed it.

Wa'salaam.

 

[SirZubair]

Lol, I downloaded the file, but nowhere did you say I have to listen to it

its your choice,listen to it if you want to,ignore it if you want to

As the saying goes " Ghoray ko kooway kai paas la saktai ho,magaar oous ko paani nahi pillah saktai"

 

[Ghazi]

Condemning isnt 'old' until the condemned actions have stopped.

He hasnt gone into depth about the Palestine issue,but in the audio,he has addressed it.

Wa'salaam.

Basicly it comes down to one thing I'll use my self as an example, about two years ago I'd be more worried about how my love life is going or what to do on saturday night, but Mash'Allah allah has guided me back to the deen and if this time two years ago you would have asked me I'd be sitting infront of a pc discussing 'world affairs' I would've laughed similar to this-->;D. Anyway 18
years of my life and not one person has sat down with me and explained to me anything relating to 'Jihad' and this is dangerous are brothers who commit these un-islamic actions are mostly youth who have a urge for a 'shuhadaa' but due to lack of knowladge they get minipulated by those who twist the deen, what I find funny how easy shieks get up and condem when they don't teach rules of jihad thats the same as me telling a revert to prey without telling him the rules then acting shocked and condeming when he does it wrong, the solution the scholars need to teach the ummah jihad and take the youth under their wing and protect them from 'extremism' and help them attain what they seek in ways the quran and sunnah are agreed upon.

 

[SirZubair]

Basicly it comes down to one thing I'll use my self as an example, about two years ago I'd be more worried about how my love life is going or what to do on saturday night, but Mash'Allah allah has guided me back to the deen and if this time two years ago you would have asked me I'd be sitting infront of a pc discussing 'world affairs' I would've laughed similar to this-->;D. Anyway 18
years of my life and not one person has sat down with me and explained to me anything relating to 'Jihad' and this is dangerous are brothers who commit these un-islamic actions are mostly youth who have a urge for a 'shuhadaa' but due to lack of knowladge they get minipulated by those who twist the deen, what I find funny how easy shieks get up and condem when they don't teach rules of jihad thats the same as me telling a revert to prey without telling him the rules then acting shocked and condeming when he does it wrong, the solution the scholars need to teach the ummah jihad and take the youth under their wing and protect them from 'extremism' and help them attain what they seek in ways the quran and sunnah are agreed
upon.

Understanding Jihad in Islam | By: Hamza Yusuf



What Are We Doing With Our Lives? | By: Hamza Yusuf



What We Should Be Teaching Our Children? | By: Imam Zaid Shakir

Community Advice | By: Hamza Yusuf



Give and Take for Gods Sake | By: Hamza Yusuf


For more Free downloadable audios,visit :

http://www.zaytuna.org/

Shaykh hamza yusuf has covered alot of topics,at the end of the day,it is the responsibility of the Seeker-of-knowledge to get out there and find the good shaykhs,learn the sacred knowledge. We cant expect knowledge to fall on our laps as we sit on a forum

(No offence akhi,im not saying you anything as such,im speaking generally)

Wa'salaam

-Zubair

p.s Check out those Audios i hope they all work.

 

[Ghazi]

Understanding Jihad in Islam | By: Hamza Yusuf



What Are We Doing With Our Lives? | By: Hamza Yusuf



What We Should Be Teaching Our Children? | By: Imam Zaid Shakir

Community Advice | By: Hamza Yusuf



Give and Take for Gods Sake | By: Hamza Yusuf


For more Free downloadable audios,visit :

http://www.zaytuna.org/

Shaykh hamza yusuf has covered alot of topics,at the end of the day,it is the responsibility of the Seeker-of-knowledge to get out there and find the good shaykhs,learn the sacred knowledge. We cant expect knowledge to fall on our laps as we sit on a forum

(No offence akhi,im not saying you anything as such,im speaking generally)

Wa'salaam

-Zubair

p.s Check out those Audios i hope they all work.

No disrespect to shiek Hamza Yusuf and I don't mean this in an insulting way but I'd like to comment on the first lecture which is highlighted, sheiks seem to go off-topic too much and don't really answer any questions as a youth this is one of the reason I know many stay away from the deen as the speakers often don't get to the point, in that lecture he makes good points but doesn't hit the nail on the head as explaining "what to do and not do" this is a problem some imams have got but were all not perfect so may allah bless him in his knowladge.

 

[SirZubair]

No disrespect to shiek Hamza Yusuf and I don't mean this in an insulting way but I'd like to comment on the first lecture which is highlighted, sheiks seem to go off-topic too much and don't really answer any questions as a youth this is one of the reason I know many stay away from the deen as the speakers often don't get to the point, in that lecture he makes good points but doesn't hit the nail on the head as explaining "what to do and not do" this is a problem some imams have got but were all not perfect so may allah bless him in his knowladge.

Fair enough,i can respect your point of view.

The way i look at it,he goes into-depth with his explanations (which you have labeled as 'off-topic'),and he gives examples of what he is talking about,..i find that method of teaching better than what alot of shaykhs do "THAT IS BI'DAH!" "THAT IS HARAM!" "DON'T DO IT!" with no explanations whatsoever,and whenever they are questioned,the response is "WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF THE QURAN AND SUNNAH!"

Don't get me wrong,im not bagging others shaykhs,maybe their teachings suit others,but its not my cup of tea.

Anyway,before i go waaaaaaaay-offtopic,..i'll stop.

Once again,everyone,please,make an effort,download those lectures and listen to them when you have the time. And please,visit the Zaytuna institute website

Wa'salaam.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Israel is searching for a missing soldier.

Funny how you say you're 'searching' for a missing soldier. Even funnier still would be if he dies by your own rocket blasts. But what really has me ROFLMAO is the fact that Zarqawi was called a terrorist because he "indiscriminantly killed people" (they didn't seem to understand what he meant when he defined his rules of engagement concerning targets as: Americans... and ANYONE who helps them)- so what's Israel's excuse for the civilian body count? I can't wait to hear this!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Trumble]

One word. Pride. Children die because some people on both sides are too stubborn with pride.

So true.

 

[nennar]

so the native americans should do what the jews did and get their land back!??????? are you stupid?????????? no no no no please tell me how these poor indians(who live like the palistinians) should do that??????????? please tell me that...........ganeshsikkim... tell me that

 

[Geronimo]

so the native americans should do what the jews did and get their land back!??????? are you stupid?????????? no no no no please tell me how these poor indians(who live like the palistinians) should do that??????????? please tell me that...........ganeshsikkim... tell me that

Actually I live pretty well. Nice paying job, beautiful wife, 2 kids, nice home, 2 cars, so I guess us Native Americans don't have it so bad.

 

[nennar]

????????????? Good For You??????????????????????

 

[Geronimo]

????????????? Good For You??????????????????????

Just showing your sterotype of us Native Americans is outdated.

 

[Keltoi]

The stereotype of the poor stricken Native American living on a desolate reservation in poverty and despair is indeed an outdated one. I too live a rather prosperous and happy life.

 

[dishdash]

Yes, exactly
30 Facts About Isreal

Whilst there are some in there that ARE real, such as the car plates, you should provide reliable sources for ALL of the points or withdraw it. HEarsay and wishful thinking are no substitute for the facts, no matter how angry you are.

 

[dishdash]

The stereotype of the poor stricken Native American living on a desolate reservation in poverty and despair is indeed an outdated one. I too live a rather prosperous and happy life.

Hahaha! Alhamdulilah! Still the stereotype of alcoholic trailerpark wannabe casino-owners is at least better than the one of bare-chested fellows running around shouting 'woop woop' trying to scalp a settler with one hand and shoot a buffalo with a bow in the other... You've come a long way in the media hey?! Ahhhh! Only in America! Allah bless America!