The Price of Blind Hate

[HeiGou]

No but what is right, this man may have not been bought up like you. What is wrong to you maybe right to him and that includes revenge.

Sure. And revenge on innocent people with no connection to the events in Lebanon except they happen to be the same religion as most of them. As I said, the problem is hatred. And bigotry. I agree he has not been brought up like me. I was not taught to hate and kill. He clearly was.

What you telling me it took this someone to tell this man to hate, Heigou its easy to start hating by putting your TV on. The Unjustice is there on the TV. We all see it on the News all day.

But it does not prompt many people to go out and shoot a bunch of women who have no link to the violence on TV at all. Someone taught him that if he saw these sort of things on TV the solution was to kill some Jews.

Where did i say he was a hero or i said what he did is right, Im am trying to undertsand why a man did this what drove him. I fail to beleive i got up one morning and said "you know what i feel like killing a jew"

From "understanding" to "excusing" is a small step and when you say things like "I am not saying what this man did was right, but...." what do you think you are doing?

No point if no one answers them!

I agree. Although I notice Ansar does not.

I AM NOT DEFENDING HIM. I said i know this is wrong and there is nothing more i hate then innocents dying!:heated: BUT Im trying to explain why he MAY have done this. Im sure it wasnt for fun.

But how can you know? I assume you do not know the man. You are projecting your feelings on to his actions.

The local news reported that he said it was because of what Israel was doing in Lebanon

Sure. As I said, the problem is that someone taught him the appropriate response to violence in the Middle East is to murder Canadians.

 

[wilberhum]

Sis786

It has nothing to do with the HATE mail. This man like many must have been watching the news on TV and this has led him to take this action.

I assume you are correct. But maybe the next one will be set off by hate posts. Will you be the one that makes that post that inspires someone to kill?

i dont believe in killing innocents and thats why i hate ISRAEL and all her allies.

So why don’t you hate everyone that kills innocents? Why do you stand up for some groups that kill innocents? I can come to only one conclusion; it has nothing to do with killing innocents, that’s just your excuse to justify your hate.

I before this war in Lebanom would have liked to believe that NO ISRAEL aint that bad and no Amercia doesnt have a grudge agaisnt the Muslim world but this war was uncalled for and its clear the intentions of the West.

Sounds like you were just waiting for an excuse. No condemnation for those that attacked Israel but condemnation if Israel responds.

Im not saying that this man has done is right

But of course you don’t say what he did was wrong. Why is that? Because he is a Muslim? Because he killed a Jew? Why no condemination?

but maybe you should stop and think that many preg women and small children are being killed in the same manner and in larger numbers in Pal and in Lebanom.

How does this justify what he did? If some men are serial rapists then its OK is someone only rapes one woman? How is not being as evil as someone else justifying evil?

Sometimes it takes action for some to think.

Now is see, you are justifying his actions. It is OK for any Muslim to kill any Jew to show what is happening in the ME. You are a disgrace.

..lets hope that the lives lost in this attack will make the wider community see that innocents being killed for no reason is no joke and this needs to stop whereever!

It will never stop as long as there are people that justify there hate and direct it towards people that have nothing to do with the problem.

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

 

[wilberhum]

Actually the guy was a Muslim apostate to christianity. MUST DO RESEARCH BEFORE POSTING PROPAGANDA.

Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.

Whether Christian or Muslim it is a hate crime based on Collective punishment.
Exactly what many on this Forum call for.

[MAD]Stop the Hate[/MAD]!

 

[SirZubair]

I agree with you, but im trying to expain that sometimes what we see can drive us to do insane things, This man was clearly upset with what he saw that he would kill someone else in daylight and ovbs bear the consequences!

That is the very reason why i continously say "have patience" and certain people say i am an apoligist for that reason .. :rollseyes

Patience is most needed at the time of the tribulation.

Like allah swt says in the Qur'an... "Allah is with the patient"

SO i will say it again, my dear brothers and sisters in islam, and my non-muslim brothers and sisters, be patient.

And another note to my MUSLIM Bro's and Sis's,..

..we, as muslims are on this earth for many reasons. One of them is to Remove oppression.

We are NOT here to remove OPPRESSORS. We are here to remove OPPRESSION.

 

[Kittygyal]

That is the very reason why i continously say "have patience" and certain people say i am an apoligist for that reason .. :rollseyes

Patience is most needed at the time of the tribulation.

Like allah swt says in the Qur'an... "Allah is with the patient"

SO i will say it again, my dear brothers and sisters in islam, and my non-muslim brothers and sisters, be patient.

And another note to my MUSLIM Bro's and Sis's,..

..we, as muslims are on this earth for many reasons. One of them is to Remove oppression.

We are NOT here to remove OPPRESSORS. We are here to remove OPPRESSION.

:thumbs_up

 

[Abdul Fattah]

I do not know wheter the origenal post was directed to me or wheter it was for somebody else on this forum. Nonetheless because I have been quite active in some discussions regarding this, and since I caused somewhat of an uproar, I offer you my reply.

If a reporter on the news reports a hat-inducing act, is the reporter guilty of spreading that hate? Well actually, he is indeed, yes.
When Israel is doing stuff like it is doing now, then there's a fine line between condemning that and between spreading hate.

I realise my tongue is sometimes sharp when it comes to this issue. But I don't feel i can be hold responsable for such acts. Even though I greatly condemn the Israelian goverment for what it is doing, I'm not that narow minded and have repeatedly condemned hezbolla's missiles strikes to. In my opinion what I did in the other topic was not spreading hate but fighting propaganda. You may tend to disagree. which I respect. But I just don't feel tha we should go lightly over certain Israeli propagandic claims on an Islamic forum. If we alow the spread of such opinions even here. Then I would see that as equally worse as spreading hate here. Again, I have always offered a diverse opinion where I do not condemn a whole population for the acts of some, and that is why I think my posts are more likely to be considered reporting and condemning, rather then spreading of hate.

 

[Genius]

And the evidence for this is what exactly?

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.

He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

...............

 

[HeiGou]

...............

And yet that same article said that he had gone to the mosque the Friday before. He seems a little confused about his religious identity.

But we knew that already.

 

[snakelegs]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/28/seattle.shooting/index.html
A U.S. Muslim citizen of Pakistani descent walked into the Jewish Federation in downtown Seattle, Washington building just after 4 p.m. Friday armed with a large caliber semi-automatic handgun and opened fire after asking for the manager, One person was killed and five others were wounded, three critically.

The local news reported that he said it was because of what Israel was doing in Lebanon.

This happened just 3 blocks from where I work. It made me think of the hundreds of hate filled statements I have seen of this forum. I wonder if any of you hate posters have ever thought that your words might inspire someone to kill innocent people.

All of the victims were women, one of them is pregnant. Surly these women had great influence on ME affairs. To level such hate on someone only because they belong to the same religion as a foreign government is a common form of hate crimes.

Next time you make a “Hate Post”, maybe you should think about what you might become responsible for.

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

since i saw the "Israel = Hitler and even worse?" i've decided to pretty much stay away from this section because i am letting this stuff make me sick.
BUT this caught my eye and i want to thank you very much for posting this.
thoughts lead to words and words can lead to actions that we maybe never even stopped and thought about. this is the logical conclusion of hate.
thank you again. if only more people thought like you........
i think this is one of the very best posts i've seen here.

 

[Zionazi_Dissent]

After killing more children than armed men, the Jews deserves more hate. So far, the Jews killed 1000+ civilians, the majority being children. Sons of David? I think not. The only Jews I trust are the peaceful ones, the True Torah Jews.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i agree wilberhum


[MAD]STOP THE HATE![/MAD]


but like i asked before, its really hard when your brothers and sisters are constantly dying. Did you know that we see every islamic individual as a part of a united body and when one part of the body is hurt the whole body aches.... well thats basically what your seeing in this forum. we're lettin out the pain :'(

 

[snakelegs]

After killing more children than armed men, the Jews deserves more hate. So far, the Jews killed 1000+ civilians, the majority being children. Sons of David? I think not. The only Jews I trust are the peaceful ones, the True Torah Jews.

[MOUSE]bigot alert![/MOUSE]

STOP THE HATE

 

[snakelegs]

This man's crime is in no ways justified whatever his motives were even if he was angry about what's going on here in Lebanon or here in Palestine.What did he get form killing innocent people?

Lara lives in lebanon!
she is living this nightmare that we are all safely sitting around in our comfortable rooms. yapping about.
i'm sure she feels a lot of anger, maybe even rage, at israel for what is happening to her country.
why is it that she hasn't lost her senses??
why doesn't she think it's perfectly excusable and explicable for some guy that walks in a building and shoots some random jews????
how come it is so easy for the rest of you???why don't you take some inspiration from her?
if she isn't an irrational hate filled bigot what is your excuse???
lara and lavikor - you are both in my prayers.
i am critical of u.s.
i am critical of israel.
i am critical of hezbollah.
i am critical of hamas.
there are no "good guys".

 

[wilberhum]

i am critical of u.s.
i am critical of israel.
i am critical of hezbollah.
i am critical of hamas.
there are no "good guys".

I particulary like there are no "good guys". The discussion is really about who is the most or least bad. Because there are no "good guys".
[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

 

[Woodrow]

Blind hate is an outstanding title for this thread. We all need to stop and think just what is meant by blind.

This crime can not be explained in terms of logic. Possibly it made sense to the perpetrator, but I doubt if he even acheived whatever it was he sought for.

A stupid, hatefull action, by a very confused person, blinded by hate.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

If that man had been batized then he is no longer a muslim...

An apostate..

Perhaps he was not able to relinquish his links and borhterhood to islam and saw the action of the Isrelais towards his one "brothers" and something snapped.

Inshallah,each of us shall get what we deserve.

 

[Joe98]

How do you know that its not appropriate to kill some random jew...

Thank you for teaching us about your beliefs.

 

[wilberhum]

Salaam,

If that man had been batized then he is no longer a muslim...

An apostate..

Perhaps he was not able to relinquish his links and borhterhood to islam and saw the action of the Isrelais towards his one "brothers" and something snapped.

Inshallah,each of us shall get what we deserve.

It is not important what his religion was or is. It is a crime commited because of Hate. The kind of hate that I see allover this forum.
[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

 

[Sis786]

Sure. And revenge on innocent people with no connection to the events in Lebanon except they happen to be the same religion as most of them. As I said, the problem is hatred. And bigotry. I agree he has not been brought up like me. I was not taught to hate and kill. He clearly was.

But it does not prompt many people to go out and shoot a bunch of women who have no link to the violence on TV at all. Someone taught him that if he saw these sort of things on TV the solution was to kill some Jews.

From "understanding" to "excusing" is a small step and when you say things like "I am not saying what this man did was right, but...." what do you think you are doing?

I agree. Although I notice Ansar does not.

But how can you know? I assume you do not know the man. You are projecting your feelings on to his actions.

Sure. As I said, the problem is that someone taught him the appropriate response to violence in the Middle East is to murder Canadians.

You and me do not know this man and therefore you cannot make that judgement that is was someone who taught him to go out and kill. This was an insane thing he done and its clear that something drove him to this hate. Yet we do not know what that was.

I am not making an excuse for him as i have clearly said that this is not something i praise, in fact it makes me sick. I know i wouldnt want to be a targer just because of what Al Qaeeda and other Muslims do, But what i am trying to say is that Hate has come from somewhere. Before the war in Lebanom i did not HATE israel the way i do now. That doesnt mean im goign to go and shoot and jews randomly i know better than that.

But its clear that this man didnt he knew that he would pay for his actions, he knew this was against Islam so whatever drove him must have been pretty strong...

 

[Sis786]

Sis786

So why don’t you hate everyone that kills innocents? Why do you stand up for some groups that kill innocents? I can come to only one conclusion; it has nothing to do with killing innocents, that’s just your excuse to justify your hate.

I do trust me if you think that i support groups that kill inncoents then you can think again, I dont support the people that done 9/11 and 7/7 that was disgusting, totally disgusting,, But the issue here is that what Israel done drove this man to carry out this act so i said that i agree with him on that issue that i too hate Israel..doesnt mean im going to take the action he did.

Sounds like you were just waiting for an excuse. No condemnation for those that attacked Israel but condemnation if Israel responds.

Yeah, i feel for the lives lost in Israel too, But come on 2 Soliders were taken and the proce for that was instead of yeah lets release 2 lebanom prisoners and end this whole thing, NO they decide to proceed with FULL OUT WAR and killed innocents. I dont agree with what Hizbollah done too why wake sleeping dogs!

But of course you don’t say what he did was wrong. Why is that? Because he is a Muslim? Because he killed a Jew? Why no condemination?

OF COURSE what he did was wrong read my posts above, I aint an animal im a human and i know that killing another innocent is a disgusting act and i dont stand by those that do this. All im trying to say is that the issue is more deeper than a man walking into a place and killing a jew. What needs to be looked at is why he done this. Maybe from this other killings like this can be stopped.

How does this justify what he did? If some men are serial rapists then its OK is someone only rapes one woman? How is not being as evil as someone else justifying evil?

Its not and you twisting my words!

Now is see, you are justifying his actions. It is OK for any Muslim to kill any Jew to show what is happening in the ME. You are a disgrace.

NO, where did i say that. Im not justifying his acts only God knows why he did that im asking the question that many are afraid to ask and answer why,. Why did he do this??

It will never stop as long as there are people that justify there hate and direct it towards people that have nothing to do with the problem.

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

I agree with you here. Hate is a force that can lead a perfectly sane person to do something wrong. In order to tackle the problem people need to look into each inccident properly and investigate what led someone to do this. From there they can tackle the issue and stop other from doing the same.

Please read my posts before replying as you have clearly offended me by saying i am a disgrace and stand up for such violence. I dont think you can make that judgement esp when you twist my words to suit you..