The Price of Blind Hate

[Sis786]

Thank you for teaching us about your beliefs.

Oh shut up from poitning out one line you think you know my beliefs. Dont make me laugh. My beliefs are that NO innocnet should suffer for something that they had nothing to do with. But in reality no one gives a toot.

I dont think what this man did was right! I would never think that :heated: But like i said above the issue is why did he do that?

 

[wilberhum]

Sis786
I liked your response. It truly shows a “Balanced Moderation”. That is a long way from your first post. I conceder this “Mission Accomplished”. I hate blind hate.
I too condemn Israel for the action thy have taken. By the same token, I don’t know what real alternative they have accept 7 million people pack up and scatter around the world and restart there lives from scratch.

Too I don’t to change the direction of this thread. It is about what hate can do to people that are not involved in the ME problem. The hate not only can destroy the lives of innocent people, it destroys the lives of those that hate.

Hate is one of the most destructive emotions that people can have.
So thank you Sis,
Wilber

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

 

[Rou]

If this happend in a Mosque people here would be outraged. But since the people who are victims are Jews, and the shooter was a Muslim of Pakistani descent, I doubt you will get huge outrage here.

Pls dont judge all muslims on the basis of one and then expect muslims not to judge all jews based on the actions of isael for that is being a hypocrit...

i do not blame every jew for the actions of israel...

but you have easily condemned every muslim from the actions of one...

? wheres the logic?

obviously one of us has to think about our morals and understanding of what is truly happening...wake up..

 

[Joe98]

the issue here is that what Israel done drove this man to carry out this act

No.

The real issue is that the man lives in a community. He must have spoken to the people of his community to get their views on the world.

And then he made the decision to kill.

It doesn’t mean his community in any way approved his actions or knew of them before hand.

But in his heart the man felt that his community would have approved. And so the FBI now monitors mosques

but you have easily condemned every muslim from the actions of one...

? wheres the logic?

The ideas stemming from his community partially encouraged him.


Is sis a part of his community?

How do you know that its not appropriate to kill some random jew

 

[MRR]

This man like many must have been watching the news on TV and this has led him to take this action. im trying to expain that sometimes what we see can drive us to do insane things

This result would only be possible if his mind was already filled with hate to begin with.
What would cause a person to make the connection between a foreign government and his victims a world away?

I find absurd how some posters can claim that there is no justification for Israel attacking (in retaliation), yet can justify and find reason for a man in a completely seperate country to shoot innocent women.

Originally Posted by wilberhum
Sis786

So why don’t you hate everyone that kills innocents? Why do you stand up for some groups that kill innocents? I can come to only one conclusion; it has nothing to do with killing innocents, that’s just your excuse to justify your hate.

I do trust me if you think that i support groups that kill inncoents then you can think again, I dont support the people that done 9/11 and 7/7 that was disgusting, totally disgusting,,..

So you also hate Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and others?

 

[ABWAN]

One thing that was never mentioned in any of the messages in this thread is the fact that this shooter has been suffering from Bi-polar disorder and had been in medication for well around 10 years. In fact even before going on a shooting spree, this guy had allegedly checked himself into some mental clinic and then walked away! This guy had randomly picked this building perhaps knowing that this is the same organization that is funding and supporting Israel in their attacks on innocent civilians in Lebanon. I am not defending him or taking his side, but it has been a common phenomenon for mentally ill people to shoot randomly at people. In a country where young men with criminal background are trained and are allowed to legally go to some other country, rape young girls, abuse them and them kill their whole family, I am not surprised such things happen.

There have been many such incidents in USA from schools to churches. So perhaps there is a less-noticed reason that could take some blame as well. Some people have always had struggle to get into the "american" way of life and become loners. That part never gets in the news. What really gets in the news is what these people do out of frustration. Why not be pro-active than being reactive? Perhaps there are ways to make such people lead normal life.

One other post in this thread talked about how there is less attention given to killing of jews. Well newspapers and all jewish organizations have been issuing statements over and over about increased security.
Even though there is no reason to come against the actions of this guy (as it is TOTALLY against Islam and is committed by an apostate), muslims around the Seattle are having been reaching out to jews hoping things would get better.

This news had gained more attention than anything else (perhaps rightly so). I don't have a problem with it and I totally agree that innocent civilians cant be the target of any such attacks. But what the normal people miss out is things like this: http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.com/ . There was another incident where a muslim woman in Texas was brutally murdered in broad daylight in some shopping complex and that never even made the headlines!


And since people used a "so-called" muslim to convey the message of hate. Let me share what "some" muslims do against hate as well : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3164424,00.html ( I wonder how many american newspapers really bothered to carry such articles!).

Personally I feel there is no way to stop the hate. Things have been going terribly wrong in the past decades and crime would be the order of the day.

 

[Sis786]

This result would only be possible if his mind was already filled with hate to begin with.
What would cause a person to make the connection between a foreign government and his victims a world away?

Where does the Hate come from. You dont just wake up one morning and say today im going to hate this person. and this man had a lot of hate for him to go and carry out an act that was gonna go against his religion and law of the country.

I find absurd how some posters can claim that there is no justification for Israel attacking (in retaliation), yet can justify and find reason for a man in a completely seperate country to shoot innocent women.

There is a massive difference. This man is crazy its easy to see and no one is justifying him, Israel and her policies are wrong and have been for a number of years. Killings of innocents is wrong to matter where!

So you also hate Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and others?

I said i dont support killings if innocents STOP THE HATE!

 

[Sis786]

No.

The real issue is that the man lives in a community. He must have spoken to the people of his community to get their views on the world.

WHAT lol i would believe this if the man never had a TV. Come on you dont need to talk to someone to see the injustice in Lebanom put your TV onto Cable 501 and you see the whole thing!

And then he made the decision to kill.

True, he made that decision surely it should be asked why he made this decision?

It doesn’t mean his community in any way approved his actions or knew of them before hand.

True, any sane person would have stopped him!

But in his heart the man felt that his community would have approved. And so the FBI now monitors mosques

LOL I love that conclusion, the man knew that the community would approve of him turning against his religion, or brining more difficulty on a community who already have a bad rep. Yeah right!

and SO NOW THE FB1 MONITORS MOSQUES...;D thats my response!

And like a said some find it approriate to kill some random jew.. Hitler did, Not saying its right but what is wrong to us can be right to a twisted person!

 

[MRR]

Where does the Hate come from. You dont just wake up one morning and say today im going to hate this person. and this man had a lot of hate for him to go and carry out an act that was gonna go against his religion and law of the country.

Good question. From those he associates with. His family, what he was taught growing up.
Your attempts to justify what he has done are no different than when people justify the killing of innocents in war. Innocent people being killed are innocent whether they live in the Lebanon, Israel or the US.

There is a massive difference. This man is crazy its easy to see and no one is justifying him, Israel and her policies are wrong and have been for a number of years. Killings of innocents is wrong to matter where!

We can agree on the killing of innocents being wrong part.
Israels policy is to defend itself. It lives in a neighborhood where all it's neighbors hate it, and try to harm it. If the arab world stops trying to harm Israel, then Israel will stop harming the arab countries.

I said i dont support killings if innocents STOP THE HATE!

You mentioned earlier about hating Israel because you feel they kill innocents. So using this logic I assume that you also hate Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and Hamas, because they also kill innocents.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Good question. From those he associates with. His family, what he was taught growing up.
Your attempts to justify what he has done are no different than when people justify the killing of innocents in war. Innocent people being killed are innocent whether they live in the Lebanon, Israel or the US.


We can agree on the killing of innocents being wrong part.
Israels policy is to defend itself. It lives in a neighborhood where all it's neighbors hate it, and try to harm it. If the arab world stops trying to harm Israel, then Israel will stop harming the arab countries.


You mentioned earlier about hating Israel because you feel they kill innocents. So using this logic I assume that you also hate Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and Hamas, because they also kill innocents.

dont put words in her mouth..she never justified it

from my article i posted above this man was clearly unlucky in life..he was a muslim first then he left it for christianity..its wrong what he did and its definitely a crime but if we have to understand crime we have to look at the underlying social causes of crime and also we also should take into account a person's state of mind when carrying out this attack.

 

[Sis786]

Good question. From those he associates with. His family, what he was taught growing up.
Your attempts to justify what he has done are no different than when people justify the killing of innocents in war. Innocent people being killed are innocent whether they live in the Lebanon, Israel or the US. .

Yes i agree, and im not justifying him but i like many here dont believe that he did this for a laugh. The sister has mentioned that he was ill and on top of this he devloped a hate a reall deep hate. What im trying to say is that in order to stop these crimes taking place the police and Govt need to look into the mind of the Killer. What made him tick. This will allow them to stop this from happening again..

We can agree on the killing of innocents being wrong part.
Israels policy is to defend itself. It lives in a neighborhood where all it's neighbors hate it, and try to harm it. If the arab world stops trying to harm Israel, then Israel will stop harming the arab countries..

Well then we can say that those groups policies are also to defend themselves. Dont make me laugh. Israel are the one bombing Palestine and Lebanom, yet they are the victim. Its about time that you realised that Israel are the ones killings innocents. There have been many people that have stood agianst this war and have admitted that Israel are now taking this too far!

You mentioned earlier about hating Israel because you feel they kill innocents. So using this logic I assume that you also hate Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and Hamas, because they also kill innocents.

I dont like the killings of innocents whether the person was a Muslim or Not im sure that answers your question!

 

[Sis786]

dont put words in her mouth..she never justified it

from my article i posted above this man was clearly unlucky in life..he was a muslim first then he left it for christianity..its wrong what he did and its definitely a crime but if we have to understand crime we have to look at the underlying social causes of crime and also we also should take into account a person's state of mind when carrying out this attack.

Thank you sis i think many here need reading glasses!:rollseyes

 

[HeiGou]

dont put words in her mouth..she never justified it

from my article i posted above this man was clearly unlucky in life..he was a muslim first then he left it for christianity..its wrong what he did and its definitely a crime but if we have to understand crime we have to look at the underlying social causes of crime and also we also should take into account a person's state of mind when carrying out this attack.

Thank you sis i think many here need reading glasses!:rollseyes

Indeed. As some carpenter once said

[34] But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
[35] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[36] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 

[Sis786]

Indeed. As some carpenter once said

[34] But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
[35] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[36] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[37] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Heigou not in an offensive way but you are one weird character!

 

[MRR]

I understand full well what you are saying, it makes perfect sense. There are alot of people around that think this way. You oppose killing when it is people that you favor, and speak loud and clear about your hatred for those doing the killing. Yet when people are being killed that are not in your favored group there is no condemnation. Sure you will say you don't like them being killed when asked, but you are not loudly voicing your opinion like before. You make excuses for those that do the killing, and find understanding. There is no understanding for the others like Israel, only hate. It's laughable, you say you hate groups like the IDF that kill innocents, yet you can't even bring yourself to say you oppose Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad who also clearly kill innocent people. Twice you were asked directly, and twice you avoided answering directly.
Yes, It does answer my question, quite clearly. I know exactly what you mean.

 

[Rou]

No.

The real issue is that the man lives in a community. He must have spoken to the people of his community to get their views on the world.

And then he made the decision to kill.

It doesn’t mean his community in any way approved his actions or knew of them before hand.

But in his heart the man felt that his community would have approved. And so the FBI now monitors mosques





The ideas stemming from his community partially encouraged him.


Is sis a part of his community?

LOL thats fresh then we should consider you a rapist murderer and a genocidal maniac...

thats if we are blaming the actions of single men on the communities that is...then america and israel would have majority of the psycos...

thats if you see things your way mate...

 

[Sis786]

I understand full well what you are saying, it makes perfect sense. There are alot of people around that think this way. You oppose killing when it is people that you favor, and speak loud and clear about your hatred for those doing the killing. Yet when people are being killed that are not in your favored group there is no condemnation. Sure you will say you don't like them being killed when asked, but you are not loudly voicing your opinion like before. You make excuses for those that do the killing, and find understanding. There is no understanding for the others like Israel, only hate. It's laughable, you say you hate groups like the IDF that kill innocents, yet you can't even bring yourself to say you oppose Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad who also clearly kill innocent people. Twice you were asked directly, and twice you avoided answering directly.
Yes, It does answer my question, quite clearly. I know exactly what you mean.

I dont need to say names i dont support those that Kill innocents and Allah SWT knows Best.

I like most want peace in this world and before the war of Lebanom i was in denail about the whole War on Muslims. But what Israel have done in Lebnanom has woke me up and i do hate Israel. DOnt mena i hate Jews or the People of Israel..

You dont know me so please dont judge me!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Hope he gets the death penalty! (if it's still in use in Seattle)

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Hope he gets the death penalty! (if it's still in use in Seattle)

Does anyone get the death penalty nowadays :?
Well seeing as his christian its unlikely that they'll even take him to guantanamo bay :rollseyes

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Does anyone get the death penalty nowadays :?
Well seeing as his christian its unlikely that they'll even take him to guantanamo bay :rollseyes

Yup, California! Last one i know of was early this year i think!