The Price of Blind Hate

[adi8putra]

.......All of the victims were women, one of them is pregnant. Surly these women had great influence on ME affairs. To level such hate on someone only because they belong to the same religion as a foreign government is a common form of hate crimes.

Next time you make a “Hate Post”, maybe you should think about what you might become responsible for.

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

the price of blind hate?

although i'm agreable 2 what hv been said by wilberhum, i cant help but feeling the rage & hatred brewing up inside myself on the situation in lebanon. it has been confirmed, that from the 900 dead on the lebanese side, 1/3 is just children who r just under 12 years old.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.as...01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-262297-7&sec=worldupdates

that child could hv been just anybody's child. it could hv been urs & it could hv been mine. that thought alone is enuff 2 fuel the anger within. i'm rage & i'm very much hateful of the following:
1. hezbollah, 4 starting this whole conflict & 4 keep firing rockets towards israel that is hurting the civilians..
2. israel, 4 making collective punishment as a pre-equisite of their rights 4 self defense. for making up d pretext of hezbollah hiding behind civilians as the justification 4 them 2 strike on civilian position!
3. the un, 4 not being able 2 take collective action 2 enforce the immediate & unconditional cease fire 2 end this war and instilled a un peacekeeping force in southern lebanon.
4. the us, 4 down playing & political manouvering on these whole issue.

until these conflicts is ended, i'll always full with hate!:grumbling ffended: :rant:

 

[HeiGou]

Heigou not in an offensive way but you are one weird character!

Well that is probably true. After all I hang out on Islamic sites all night and they are frying my brain.

If I said "Some of my best friends are Muslims, but ..... "

What do you think comes next?

 

[cool_jannah]

Heigou im surprised you havent accepted Islam yet...with all this time you spent trying to figure out Islam. Tell me ONE thing that is wrong Islam..gimme your best shot. put the ignorance aside and tell me one thing that is not right about Islam...just one.

 

[HeiGou]

Heigou im surprised you havent accepted Islam yet...with all this time you spent trying to figure out Islam. Tell me ONE thing that is wrong Islam..gimme your best shot. put the ignorance aside and tell me one thing that is not right about Islam...just one.

I just don't believe it. I have tried, but I don't. And because I don't Islam looks very very different to me than it does to you. Take a simple case - Gabriel told Muhammed that the Jews were conspiring with the Quraysh before the battle of the Trench. So they all died and the women and children sold. There is no other evidence that the Jews were conspiring except this Divine communication. Which is fine. If you believe.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Heigou and Islam are clear opposites.

if you're familiar with his posts and his positions on many issues even on economy you will see what i mean

 

[scentsofjannah]

One thing that was never mentioned in any of the messages in this thread is the fact that this shooter has been suffering from Bi-polar disorder and had been in medication for well around 10 years. In fact even before going on a shooting spree, this guy had allegedly checked himself into some mental clinic and then walked away! This guy had randomly picked this building perhaps knowing that this is the same organization that is funding and supporting Israel in their attacks on innocent civilians in Lebanon. I am not defending him or taking his side, but it has been a common phenomenon for mentally ill people to shoot randomly at people. In a country where young men with criminal background are trained and are allowed to legally go to some other country, rape young girls, abuse them and them kill their whole family, I am not surprised such things happen.

There have been many such incidents in USA from schools to churches. So perhaps there is a less-noticed reason that could take some blame as well. Some people have always had struggle to get into the "american" way of life and become loners. That part never gets in the news. What really gets in the news is what these people do out of frustration. Why not be pro-active than being reactive? Perhaps there are ways to make such people lead normal life.

One other post in this thread talked about how there is less attention given to killing of jews. Well newspapers and all jewish organizations have been issuing statements over and over about increased security.
Even though there is no reason to come against the actions of this guy (as it is TOTALLY against Islam and is committed by an apostate), muslims around the Seattle are having been reaching out to jews hoping things would get better.

This news had gained more attention than anything else (perhaps rightly so). I don't have a problem with it and I totally agree that innocent civilians cant be the target of any such attacks. But what the normal people miss out is things like this: http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.com/ . There was another incident where a muslim woman in Texas was brutally murdered in broad daylight in some shopping complex and that never even made the headlines!


And since people used a "so-called" muslim to convey the message of hate. Let me share what "some" muslims do against hate as well : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3164424,00.html ( I wonder how many american newspapers really bothered to carry such articles!).

Personally I feel there is no way to stop the hate. Things have been going terribly wrong in the past decades and crime would be the order of the day.

yeah people ignore that..they focus on his previous beliefs before converting to christianity..and then say..right..thats the cause!!..not the mental problems etc

i know some muslims with bipolar disorders..when they are not on medication its quite scary actually(not suprising as such people go through manic episodes)..you feel extremely sorry for them and the stuff they say which makes no sense.

May God protect us from Bipolar disorder and Schizophrenia and all other mental illnesses characterised by illogical patterns of thinking, withdrawal from reality, delusions etc.

 

[kadafi]

I just don't believe it. I have tried, but I don't. And because I don't Islam looks very very different to me than it does to you. Take a simple case - Gabriel told Muhammed that the Jews were conspiring with the Quraysh before the battle of the Trench. So they all died and the women and children sold. There is no other evidence that the Jews were conspiring except this Divine communication. Which is fine. If you believe.

This is utterly incorrect. Banu Nadheer were attempting to assassinate the Prophet through treachery. The invited the Prophet to come out with 30 of his men and the Jews would bring 30 of their rabbis to discuss the Message of al-Islaam. The rabbis were concealing daggers in their robes and it is reported that either Jibreel revealed to him of their treachery or a Muslim who concealed his faith and was hiding amongst them revealed it to the brother after his sister told him about the plan. The Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) returned immediately and prepared for military action against them and besieged them until they agreed to leave with all the goods they could carry on their camels.

So in short, they were not killed but banished for breaking the covenant and plotting the assassination of the Prophet.

Historians have categorised all the three causes that point to their expulsion.

• They attempted to assassinate the Prophet after the battle of Badr but failed.
• They again attempted to assassinate the Prophet after seeking help for the payment of blood money but failed.
• They incited the Quraysh to attack the Prophet and simultaneously supplied secret information.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

If HeiGou is referring to Banu Qurayzah and not Banu Nadîr then he is completely wrong about them as well.

When rumours spread that Qurayzah had broken their peace treaty with the Prophet Muhamamd pbuh and had joined the coalition of forces surrounding the Muslim city of Madinah, the Prophet pbuh still did not wish to jump to conclusions. He sent to them four of his companions as a delegation to ascertain their position. Sa'd ibn Mu'âdh [chief of the 'Aws tribe], Sa'd ibn 'Ubâdah [chief of the khazraj tribe], Abdullah ibn Rawâhah and Khawât ibn Jubayr.
The Qurayzah treated the delegation rudely, disavowed all past treaties with the Prophet, and began to exchange insults with Sa'd ibn 'Ubâdah. Sa'd ibn Mu'âdh interrupted saying that the matter was far too serious than to enter into a petty exchange of insults. He pleaded with the Qurayzah but to no avail; they began to abuse him using the most vulgar and obscene language. Sa'd ibn Mu'âdh said, "You would have been well advised to use better language." With that, they left and conveyed their sad report secretly to the Prophet pbuh to avoid causing more fear to spread in amongst the Muslims who already had an army of 10 000 camped on their doorstep and were now open to attack from the Qurayzah behind them. (Ibn Hishâm, Sirah an-Nabawiyyah, vol. 1 pp. 231-233; Ibn Sayyid al-Nâs, 'Uyûn Al-Athar, pp. 90-91)
The Qurayzah actually did send some fighters into the undefended Muslim city in preparation for attack. A Muslim woman, Safiyyah bint Abdul-Muttalib, killed one from behind when she saw him creeping about the quarters of the Muslim women. The others fled thinking that the Muslims had left men to guard the rear as well. (Ibn Sayyid al-Nâs, 'Uyûn Al-Athar, pp. 89).

History aside, it is interesting to note that HeiGou continues to raise his allegations about early Islamic history in the world affairs section in totally unrelated threads where they will not be given full attention. This is unacceptable. Please raise issues in the appropriate section ONLY.

Regards

 

[Rou]

Well that is probably true. After all I hang out on Islamic sites all night and they are frying my brain.

If I said "Some of my best friends are Muslims, but ..... "

What do you think comes next?

What comes next is that you have confused the word terrorist with islam and now seek to defame islam its prophets and its history beacuse of the actions in kashmir and your hate for terrorists..as i said you have confused muslims and the word terrorist if you truly beleive you are a friend to any muslim then i suggest you look hard in to the so called facts you state at times for it seems you are but trying to insult islam and anyone who follows it rather than giving any facts

 

[HeiGou]

What comes next is that you have confused the word terrorist with islam and now seek to defame islam its prophets and its history beacuse of the actions in kashmir and your hate for terrorists..as i said you have confused muslims and the word terrorist if you truly beleive you are a friend to any muslim then i suggest you look hard in to the so called facts you state at times for it seems you are but trying to insult islam and anyone who follows it rather than giving any facts

I have not confused Muslims with terrorists. I know very few Muslims are terrorists and I hope very few of them support terrorism. However it remains true that most terrorists in the world today are Muslims.

So I have a simple request. Can you help me out here. How do I tell a proper Muslim from a terrorist who happens to be Muslim? Those 7-7 bombers for instance. Up to the moment that they blew themselves up, in what way did their deviance express itself? Did they dress differently? Did they wear funny beards? Did they eat different foods? Did they go to special mosques? Did they get angry over different sorts of world affairs than, say, you? Did they care about the fate of the Palestinians less than you? There must be some way to tell them apart from real Muslims. Do you know what it is? They must have felt some blind hate, but how is that different from anyone else's blind hate as this thread shows?

As for insulting Islam etc etc, I reject all such claims utterly. You will not find the slightest evidence of it in my posts. It is all in your imagination.

 

[Rou]

I have not confused Muslims with terrorists. I know very few Muslims are terrorists and I hope very few of them support terrorism. However it remains true that most terrorists in the world today are Muslims.

So I have a simple request. Can you help me out here. How do I tell a proper Muslim from a terrorist who happens to be Muslim? Those 7-7 bombers for instance. Up to the moment that they blew themselves up, in what way did their deviance express itself? Did they dress differently? Did they wear funny beards? Did they eat different foods? Did they go to special mosques? Did they get angry over different sorts of world affairs than, say, you? Did they care about the fate of the Palestinians less than you? There must be some way to tell them apart from real Muslims. Do you know what it is? They must have felt some blind hate, but how is that different from anyone else's blind hate as this thread shows?

As for insulting Islam etc etc, I reject all such claims utterly. You will not find the slightest evidence of it in my posts. It is all in your imagination.

i think what the more important question is how do you tell the diffrence between those willing to kill innocents and those who fight to protect there homeland and oppression for there is amassive diffrence...

attack a people and they will fight back there are alot of muslims and alot of attacking going on...

there is a massive diffrence with those who fight against the enemy to defend


and

those who blow up innocents...

there are more defenders and very few innocent murderers in the muslim community my friend that is what you should learn...

i support the causes behind many of the struggles being fought by muslims yet i despies those who kill the innocent....

you must wake up to the fact that there are many muslims fighting out there and suffering but very few who are blowing up innocent civilians...

lets make an example shall we...

hezbollah are firing rockets into israel randomly indeed striking random civilians...and its not the best thing to do...

BUT...

what would you have them do!??? israel bombs lebannon to bits kills ten fold the amount of civilians killed in israel for what two soilders who are captured??

not the first time soilders have been captured on either side...

so why the force this time by israel!?? what they fed up!?? well perhaps they should let the women and children in there prisons go at least to show some respect and then ask for there 2 soilders who are meant to be in battle might i add...

think..ok this aint as simple as you probably wish it could be....

oh hezbollah bomb them randomly i would prefer that over precise bombing of civilian targets...

what is hezbollah hiding in with civilians are they!?? what in christian areas aswell?? dont think so ask so many who were bombed in a prominent christian district of lebanon that had nothing to do with hezbollah...

 

[nimrod]

Rou “I think what the more important question is how do you tell the difference between those willing to kill innocents and those who fight to protect their homeland and oppression for there is a massive difference...”.

Rou I believe if you will re-read Hei Gou’s post, you will come to understand that the question he asked, is exactly the question you asked.

How do you tell a 7-7 bomber from someone fighting for the freedom of a Muslim homeland? Did not the 7-7 bombers kill innocents? Were those Hope-to-be Bombers in Canada, not, allegedly hoping to kill and maim innocents?

How do you tell them apart? Count on the Muslim communities to tell you who is who?
Have we seen much of that?

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Wild Bill]

How do you tell them apart? Count on the Muslim communities to tell you who is who?
Have we seen much of that?

Thanks
Nimrod

We have seen far too little of that. Then when authorities try to find out on their own many in the muslim community cry 'harassment'. Well then help out a little. Unless of course you do have something to hide.
Why would a western government be willing to permit it's people to be at risk of attack just because a small percentage of the people don't want to cooperate?
It is better that a few feel harassed than all be at risk.

 

[nimrod]

Wild Bill, one likely fall-out of the events, over the last half dozen years, is that many countries will likely limit any immigration from certain segments.

I doubt it will be done openly, but I highly suspect it will be done none the less.

Whether or not that is a good thing, I guess, depends on your opinion, as to whether or not Western immigration by Muslims, is a good thing for Muslims.

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Rou]

Rou “I think what the more important question is how do you tell the difference between those willing to kill innocents and those who fight to protect their homeland and oppression for there is a massive difference...”.

Rou I believe if you will re-read Hei Gou’s post, you will come to understand that the question he asked, is exactly the question you asked.

How do you tell a 7-7 bomber from someone fighting for the freedom of a Muslim homeland? Did not the 7-7 bombers kill innocents? Were those Hope-to-be Bombers in Canada, not, allegedly hoping to kill and maim innocents?

How do you tell them apart? Count on the Muslim communities to tell you who is who?
Have we seen much of that?

Thanks
Nimrod

count the amount of innocent muslims who have suffered and are suffering and divide them by the amount that have killed innocents and times that by the amount of countries USA and UK have turned upside down...

you will have the amount of terrorists that will be created....

look there is no way of telling who is a bad muslim and who is not just as there is no way of telling who is a bad american and not!

the majority of muslimsare angry at the unfair treatment that is being put on them by western powers but the terrorists who are killing innocents are a small group compared to those fighting for there own freedom...

but looking at the recent events such as afgan , iraq and lebannon seems the west wants more terrorists what else do you think will happen by the use of such force on innocent people?? what will they all praise the west?? of course not every brother and farther of a dead relative will rise in anger..
thats natural seeing as the the west seems to support israel in its killing!?

100 dead in israel and a 1000 in lebannon

10 times the amount...slightly an unfair treatment im tierd of explaining this seems people will turna blind eye when it does not suit them...whatever...

anger innocents and they will want revenge if at that point you wish to call them terrorists thats up to you...

 

[Rou]

We have seen far too little of that. Then when authorities try to find out on their own many in the muslim community cry 'harassment'. Well then help out a little. Unless of course you do have something to hide.
Why would a western government be willing to permit it's people to be at risk of attack just because a small percentage of the people don't want to cooperate?
It is better that a few feel harassed than all be at risk.

hmm indeed perhaps you should take that same view in palastine and let the jews be pushed out of palastine?

or is this aview that only counts against muslims??

 

[adi8putra]

We have seen far too little of that. Then when authorities try to find out on their own many in the muslim community cry 'harassment'. Well then help out a little. Unless of course you do have something to hide.
Why would a western government be willing to permit it's people to be at risk of attack just because a small percentage of the people don't want to cooperate?
It is better that a few feel harassed than all be at risk.

off course it is called harassment when it is done in a very brute manners. since when does someone is guilty based solely on suspicion alone? for god's sake, everybody is innocent until proven guilty. take the instance of the two muslim brothers in england who was literally ambushed and even shot in their own house based on information that thay are terrorists? the police eventually admitted that this brothers are eventually innocent and their intelligence has flawed. if this things happened to yourself, will you not get upset or angry? In this case, their only fault is being muslims and they chose to be identified with as muslim. in the other case, De Menezes (the brazilian) was shot dead just because of his resemblance of a muslim. Both of them are mistaken of being terrorists just bacause they are muslim!

all of us talks of the price of blind hate? Did i not see the same pattern happening here?

 

[wilberhum]

De Menezes (the brazilian) was shot dead just because of his resemblance of a muslim

No, he was shot because in a critical situation he was told to stop. He was shot because he was trying to evade the police because he was in the country illegally.

 

[adi8putra]

No, he was shot because in a critical situation he was told to stop. He was shot because he was trying to evade the police because he was in the country illegally.

is that justify shooting him in the head.... i lost counts on how many shots went through his head?

 

[wilberhum]

is that justify shooting him in the head.... i lost counts on how many shots went through his head?

I don't defend what was done. I just addressed a false statment.