Revision Corner - Intermediate Level!!

[amirah_87]

Mmm...Tell you the truth, I kinda hesitate to join the revision. Cause sometimes the question here addresed to eachothers, its just make the room a bit exclusive. What I mean exclusive is feels like this room is only for four of you and not for everybody. Im afraid people who wanna join us here, also will feel the same hesitate as me.
Should remember yaa akhwat, this room visited by a lot of people, I think it will be great if theres somekinda invitation maybe from one of you, especially the maker of this thread to everyone who also read this thread but not posting. Such as maybe you can say "maybe I could do one and mawaddah the other, or maybe anybody who wanna participate it would be more fun insha Allah" (neeeeh just an example). Naah...in that case, everyone who read your posts feels invited to join this revision. But if you only address the question to eachother then you make this room as if a private room only for you ajee :rollseyes Im just afraid this room dont get the target of the first intention this thread was made...Allahu A'lam. Except if you did made the room only for Yemenish Graduator ajee, thats different case. Well...its an idea and an advice ajee. So there will be more muslim who like to join us here, insha Allah more manfaat. Sorry I dont mean to offend someone here, its just a small advice for all of us. Keep up d good work.
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As salaamu aalykum,

Akhee, I'm sorry about what we've caused you to feel about the way we address the questions to eachother.
Jazaakillahu Khayr for the Advice, I understand clearly what your saying.
but cause your hardly on here we forget and get carried away wallahul musta3aan. and I'm sorry about that!
but we do try to invite anybody who comments/ has questions on whatever it was we were discussing.
And Like I said before : this thread is open to whomsoever wishes to join InshaAllah, I'm pretty sure I put that down in the opening of the thread!!

and I'm not the only who does that niii , take this for example:

PRINCESS, UMM SULAIM tafseel please. kay:

Jazaakallaahu khayr for your suggestions though, and hope to find you more active here with us in the future..

Sorry again Akhee!!

Allah Ma3ak eace:

PS: the M"aker of this thread" is just not who's name and avatar you see on the intro, its all of My sisters including Nawal, Mawaddah and Umm Sulaim, I was just given the priveldge of having first post!!
So it's "Makers!!" and not "Maker!" Barak Allahu feek!

 

[Nawal89]

I didnt know you we made ppl feel like that .

I guess its because mostly jsut the four of us participate we tend to call on each others name more.

Anyone is free to participate if they want to.

Oh and amirah yep thats the tafseel i was talking about. I really like his fawaaid. he makes everything clear dont you think?

Care to give the next question? I think it's something about the munajimeen.

 

[Mawaddah]

and I'm not the only who does that niii , take this for example:

Princess you kill me man, you just kill me ;D ;D ;D ;D

So anyway

Bro Dhul please stop feeling so shy or whatsoever, why dont you just jump in and join the rest!! no need to feel excluded or whatever, it's just that since it seems that there are only 4 of us (me, nawal, umm sulaim and princess) We get carried away
But of course this thread is open to eeeeeveryone Insha'allah and so if you want to answer a question and see it posted to someone else , then just say " I'm taking this question " , And No problem!!

Oh yes and Dhul why do you always put "mmmm" in front of your posts as if you're thinking out loud? ;D ;D ;D

I"m very hyper today :X

So what's the next Question?

 

[amirah_87]

As Salaamu alaykum,

I didnt know we made ppl feel like that .

Neither Did I, SubhanAllah right!! :-\

I also Like the Shiekh's explanations too Nawal May Allah Reward him! eace:

Yeah it's "Baab Hal Al-Munajjim Saahir?",Okay Next Question InshaAllah is:

First Question I'd like to ask before we start with the Proofs and all is...

What is the defintion of the Munajjim? And is what this person does considered Shirk?

Allah Ma3akum eace:

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

As salaamu aalykum,

Akhee, I'm sorry about what we've caused you to feel about the way we address the questions to eachother.
Jazaakillahu Khayr for the Advice, I understand clearly what your saying.
but cause your hardly on here we forget and get carried away wallahul musta3aan. and I'm sorry about that!
but we do try to invite anybody who comments/ has questions on whatever it was we were discussing.
And Like I said before : this thread is open to whomsoever wishes to join InshaAllah, I'm pretty sure I put that down in the opening of the thread!!

and I'm not the only who does that niii , take this for example:

Jazaakallaahu khayr for your suggestions though, and hope to find you more active here with us in the future..

Sorry again Akhee!!

Allah Ma3ak eace:

PS: the M"aker of this thread" is just not who's name and avatar you see on the intro, its all of My sisters including Nawal, Mawaddah and Umm Sulaim, I was just given the priveldge of having first post!!
So it's "Makers!!" and not "Maker!" Barak Allahu feek!

Mmm...tell you the truth, no...I dont feel so hesitate till it make me dont wanna participate in this thread, I just feel a bit hesitate ajee. Because I know you all guys, talking, joking, out of topic sometimes, sometimes I feel Im part of your group. But what I worry most is somebody except us, thats all. Im afraid they will think like "ooh...maybe this thread only for their group ajee", or another thoughts. Lets think if youre some stranger came to this room and you see everyone addressing toeachother, Im sure you will feel hesitate to join. Thats just a worriness that I feel, so its no big deal. Just an idea to keep this great thread going with more participants insha Allah.
Ooh..soo this thread made by four of you? Do you guys have somekinda parliament or something? And Umm Sulaim is the leader cause she has a child already. (Or is it just a kunyah).

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Princess you kill me man, you just kill me ;D ;D ;D ;D

So anyway

Bro Dhul please stop feeling so shy or whatsoever, why dont you just jump in and join the rest!! no need to feel excluded or whatever, it's just that since it seems that there are only 4 of us (me, nawal, umm sulaim and princess) We get carried away
But of course this thread is open to eeeeeveryone Insha'allah and so if you want to answer a question and see it posted to someone else , then just say " I'm taking this question " , And No problem!!

Oh yes and Dhul why do you always put "mmmm" in front of your posts as if you're thinking out loud? ;D ;D ;D

I"m very hyper today :X

So what's the next Question?

Why you enjoy so much when Amirah say "niii" Thats maybe Malay english ;D .
I put Mmm...? Yes I always try hard to find the best words amongth my poor vocabularies ffended: So ... mmm...I realize sometimes people cant get what I really mean, or maybe theyre missunderstood, and its happens, and kinda embarassing for me laying: . But dont blame me cause Im no english, dah talk english like this dah lucky lah :rant: . I remember when I went to Japan, rarely those japanese can talk english, so I have to act like a pantomim sometimes with all those signals with hands to make them understand. If they cant understand hands then maybe I can try with legs ;D . So alhamdulillah alla kulli hal.
Ok then, sorry if maybe I disturb the mood.
Ooh and its not that I rarely participate cause I dont want to, but sometimes I cant understand the english you all using :heated: high level english maybe and the "susunan kata" (<<<what you call it in english lah) just complicated to understand. So I was kindalike "I will just skip this question" .
I wanna participate in this room, I need to do revision too. Insha Allah.

 

[Mawaddah]

As Salaamu alaykum,



Neither Did I, SubhanAllah right!! :-\

I also Like the Shiekh's explanations too Nawal May Allah Reward him! eace:

Yeah it's "Baab Hal Al-Munajjim Saahir?",Okay Next Question InshaAllah is:

First Question I'd like to ask before we start with the Proofs and all is...

What is the defintion of the Munajjim? And is what this person does considered Shirk?

Allah Ma3akum eace:

So Dhul, I hope you dont hesitate to join us anymore.....and that goes for everyone Insha'allah.

Ya Princess, I dont have the book with me right now so I can't give the exact definition and all of that Saamihiini :uhwhat

But the Munajjim is the person who tries to tell the future by the movement of the stars. You call it Naw2 in Arabic right? :?

As for whether what this person is doing is considered Shirk, from what I remember right now, It is Shirk because he is claiming to know the unseen right? And he is also claiming that the stars cause such and such act to Happen.

Allahu A3lam, I'm going to go home and do Muraja3ah on this Insha'allah, if you know the answer Princess you are welcome to reply back to your own question kay:

Oh yes and I'll just put a hadeeth anyway

وعن ابن عباس رضي الله تعالى عنهما قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من اقتبس علما من النجوم اقتبس شعبة من السحر ، زاد ما زاد " رواه أبو داود بإسناد صحيح .

Ma3assalamah and Wow you must be real busy today ey Princess!! I haven't seen you on LI all day and I'm missing your Junoon :'( :'(




Yes I meant that ;D

 

[amirah_87]

Ya Princess, I dont have the book with me right now so I can't give the exact definition and all of that Saamihiini :uhwhat

La Ba's Ukhtiy!!

But the Munajjim is the person who tries to tell the future by the movement of the stars. You call it Naw2 in Arabic right? :?

That's right!!

As for whether what this person is doing is considered Shirk, from what I remember right now, It is Shirk because he is claiming to know the unseen right? And he is also claiming that the stars cause such and such act to Happen.

It's considered Shirk Akbar!!

Allahu A3lam, I'm going to go home and do Muraja3ah on this Insha'allah, if you know the answer Princess you are welcome to reply back to your own question kay:

No, I'll wait for "whoever" (A3neesh, bes akhaaf min istihizaa dhaak ash-shaab ) wants to post it up inshaAllah!!

Oh yes and I'll just put a hadeeth anyway

وعن ابن عباس رضي الله تعالى عنهما قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من اقتبس علما من النجوم اقتبس شعبة من السحر ، زاد ما زاد " رواه أبو داود بإسناد صحيح .

BarakAllaahu feeki

Ma3assalamah and Wow you must be real busy today ey Princess!! I haven't seen you on LI all day and I'm missing your Junoon :'( :'(


Yes I meant that ;D

Yeah :rollseyes sorta Ukhtee...

leave my Junuun alone!! That's what keeps the sisters sec alive

Take Care Ukhtee Hope to cacth your full answer tommorrow bi'idhnillahi ta3aalaa

 

[umm-sulaim]

assalamu alaykum,

maasha Allah guys... nice work

wassalaam

 

[Mawaddah]

assalamu alaykum,

maasha Allah guys... nice work

wassalaam

AND THAT'S ALL YOU GONNA SAY!!

ANSWER THE QUESTION MON!! :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling

Talk about skiving off ey? :uhwhat :rant: kay:

 

[amirah_87]

As Salaamu aalykum,

Innit.. La33aabah!! :rant: :lol:

Mawaddah!! kayf al-haal... you done your homework?

 

[Nawal89]

hm hm..seems like no ones doen their homework... ;D;D

but hey i'll answer from what i remember :rollseyes
I'll say some hadeeths...but with no sahabi or ikhraj..because..i dont remmeber..

Ok, The hadeeth that one time after it rained, the Prophet peace be upon him said "Do you know what Allah has said?" We answered "Allah and his Prophet knows best" The prophet said " Allah said:'Some of my servants have become beleivers this morning and some disbeleivers. Verily those who said it has rained upon us because the shifting of this and that star, is a disbeliever in me and a believer in the planets (kawakib). And verily those who said it has rained upon us becuase of Allahs mercy and kindness, is a believer in me, disbeliever in the kawakib.'"

and another hadeeth i remember, The prophet peace be upon him said"Four things in my ummah they will cling on to that are from the days of jaahiliyyah ...(i dont remember all four) and in the hadeeth he mentioned, "believing in rain coming from the stars, and niyaahah (crying wailing and beating when a person dies )


next bab i think:

Is the magician a disbeliever?

 

[amirah_87]

As salaamu alaykum,

Not so fast Honey!!

I asked for the definition of the "munajjim"... ;D

and Maw' kinda answered your's..

Is the magician a disbeliever?

she said Shirk Akbar... and Shirk Akbar takes one out of the folds of Islaam doe'nt it!! :?
the proof of it is the hadeeth ibnu 3abbas you just qouted :

'Some of my servants have become beleivers this morning and some disbeleivers. Verily those who said it has rained upon us because the shifting of this and that star, is a disbeliever in me and a believer in the planets (kawakib). And verily those who said it has rained upon us becuase of Allahs mercy and kindness, is a believer in me, disbeliever in the kawakib.'"

"wa minhum kaafir" and some disbelivers!! (I'll put in a quote I have by Haaifh ibnu hajar later on InshaAllah)

Wallahu A3lam!!

 

[Nawal89]

definition of munajjim hmmm......

i cant remember... at alll......
wait * grabs book and looks up lesson*

its not there. he didnt give no definition in that lesson no wonder i cant remmeber .

you give it inshaAllah.

 

[umm-sulaim]

AND THAT'S ALL YOU GONNA SAY!!

ANSWER THE QUESTION MON!! :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling

Talk about skiving off ey? :uhwhat :rant: kay:

LOol oh dear......sorry sorry...insha Allah imma answer them, Allahul musta3aan...;D ;D don't u just love it when mawaddah rants ;D

wassalam

 

[Mawaddah]

^ You wouldn't love it if I was there honey, It'd make your eardrums go :

!* POP *!​

;D ;D ;D



I'm kidding of course, I'm a beautifully wonderfully sweetnatured person :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:





NOW GO DO YOUR MURAAJA3AH!! :rant: :rant: :rant:

 

[umm-sulaim]

so the definition of the munajjim is: the one that claims he has knowledge of the unseen by way of the stars, he uses the changes/movements in stars for the events that occur on the land, which is shirk akbar, because they claim to know the unseen and Allah ta'ala says " say nothing on the earths or heavens knows the unseen except Allah..."

if we're ready for the next question i think its

Is the magician kaafir?

wassalaam

 

[Nawal89]

again i will try to answer without doing my muraaja3ah..forgive me sisters :uhwhat:

Ok, the magician is a kaafir, as mentioned in the long ayah in suratul baqarah..i wont write out the whole Ayah, but in it it says about the two angels " wa maa yu3alimmaani min ahadin hatta yaqulaa innama nahnu fitnatun fala takfur " But neither of these two angels taught anyone (such things ) till they had said, "We are only for a trail, so do not disbelieve (by learnign this magic from us)

I really cant recall any hadeeths on this matter right now. But i think that ayah is clear enough that a person who does magic is a disbeliever.

Can any one of you guys mention the athar or hadeeth i'm not sure which one on where they were ordered to kill all magicians and they killed three magicians? Was it narrated from hafsah? I cant remember.

sorry my answer is incomplete, but it kind of hurts me to see our thread not posted in for two days ;D;D;D

wassalam

 

[amirah_87]

again i will try to answer without doing my muraaja3ah..forgive me sisters :uhwhat:

Ok, the magician is a kaafir, as mentioned in the long ayah in suratul baqarah..i wont write out the whole Ayah, but in it it says about the two angels " wa maa yu3alimmaani min ahadin hatta yaqulaa innama nahnu fitnatun fala takfur " But neither of these two angels taught anyone (such things ) till they had said, "We are only for a trail, so do not disbelieve (by learnign this magic from us)

I really cant recall any hadeeths on this matter right now. But i think that ayah is clear enough that a person who does magic is a disbeliever.

Can any one of you guys mention the athar or hadeeth i'm not sure which one on where they were ordered to kill all magicians and they killed three magicians? Was it narrated from hafsah? I cant remember.

sorry my answer is incomplete, but it kind of hurts me to see our thread not posted in for two days ;D;D;D

wassalam

As Salaamu alaykum,

hehehee ;D Allah Yahfadhki!! ;D

MashaAllah, you answered pretty good

The Athar was narrated by Bujaalah(or bajaalah :X) ibnu 3ubaid 3an Umar : Kataba Umar an naqtull kullu saahirin wa saahirah, faqatalnaa thalaathata sawaahir.. Umar wrote/oredered us to kill every Magician, and we killed three..(BUKHARI)
and Like you mentioned I think there was a similar one narrated by Hafsah Radiyallaahu 3anhaa, and Jundub radiyallaahu 3anhu too..

I've got a Lil question:
So apart from these Aathaar, can I have a daleel in the Qur'aan that makes it permissable for Us to Kill the Saahir/Magician!
the Aayah can be "3aam"

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

again i will try to answer without doing my muraaja3ah..forgive me sisters :uhwhat:

Ok, the magician is a kaafir, as mentioned in the long ayah in suratul baqarah..i wont write out the whole Ayah, but in it it says about the two angels " wa maa yu3alimmaani min ahadin hatta yaqulaa innama nahnu fitnatun fala takfur " But neither of these two angels taught anyone (such things ) till they had said, "We are only for a trail, so do not disbelieve (by learnign this magic from us)

I really cant recall any hadeeths on this matter right now. But i think that ayah is clear enough that a person who does magic is a disbeliever.

Can any one of you guys mention the athar or hadeeth i'm not sure which one on where they were ordered to kill all magicians and they killed three magicians? Was it narrated from hafsah? I cant remember.

sorry my answer is incomplete, but it kind of hurts me to see our thread not posted in for two days ;D;D;D

wassalam

I wanna add some info insha Allah. According to the book of syaikh Al Uthaymeen, Al Qaulul mufeed 'ala kitabit tauhid, its not certainly the magician is a kafeer. Its ikhtilaf bainal ulama. But there are two kinds of sihr:
1. Which is syirk, with the help of syaithon. The magician worship shayathin so they will obey what he want.
2. Disobedience and fasiq, the magician who use the spell and medicines etc.

So...syaikh Al Uthaymeen explained that every magician who use shayathin, then they are kafeer and they must be punished to death like murtadin except if he wanna do taubah. According ayah in sarah Al Baqarah: 102.

وَاتَّبَعُواْ مَا تَتْلُواْ الشَّيَاطِينُ عَلَى مُلْكِ سُلَيْمَانَ وَمَا كَفَرَ سُلَيْمَانُ وَلَـكِنَّ الشَّيْاطِينَ كَفَرُواْ يُعَلِّمُونَ النَّاسَ السِّحْرَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَى الْمَلَكَيْنِ بِبَابِلَ هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ وَمَا يُعَلِّمَانِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ حَتَّى يَقُولاَ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ فِتْنَةٌ فَلاَ تَكْفُرْ فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مِنْهُمَا مَا يُفَرِّقُونَ بِهِ بَيْنَ الْمَرْءِ وَزَوْجِهِ وَمَا هُم بِضَآرِّينَ بِهِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ وَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ مَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلاَ يَنفَعُهُمْ وَلَقَدْ عَلِمُواْ لَمَنِ اشْتَرَاهُ مَا لَهُ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنْ خَلاَقٍ وَلَبِئْسَ مَا شَرَوْاْ بِهِ أَنفُسَهُمْ لَوْ كَانُواْ يَعْلَمُونَ

" And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this."


But every magician who use spell and medicines, then theyre not kafeer (yet) but they can be included to someone who is rebellious and fasiqun. And the punishment for this kinda magician is also killed.
But the difference between the punishment of syirk magician and fasiq magician is: the magician who is kafeer, then theyre killed cause theyre kufur, so the punishment is like the punishment for murtadin. And the magician who is fasiq then theyre punished to be killed to avoid the destruction that they can bring to people. And IF they do taubah then their taubah accepted.And someone who have right to punish them is depend on Ijtihad of Imam.