Muslim Scholar Seeks Debate With the Pope

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Greetings and peace to you all

I would like to ask what do you think would be achieved through a television debate?

Would it be to try and build interfaith relations and friendships, to say sorry and ask for forgiveness for all past wrongs.

Or would you see it as having some kind of competitive agenda to prove who is best?

In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith friendships

Eric
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace to you all

I would like to ask what do you think would be achieved through a television debate?

Would it be to try and build interfaith relations and friendships, to say sorry and ask for forgiveness for all past wrongs.

Or would you see it as having some kind of competitive agenda to prove who is best?

In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith friendships

Eric
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I think just an interfaith dialogue would be great instead of the one sided sling shot comments with no chance for rebuttal. Knowing the Catholic church all too well, since that is where I reverted from, though, I highly doubt it will happen. They don't much like to be confronted.
 
Let's not make this thread into "Who's better than Who."

I doubt the pope will accept an open debate with the Quran and the bible as the foucus.

I will be suprised if he accepts it. (Same thing I said in the "Christian forum")
 
Emir Aziz said:
these dialogues are fruitless.
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Only because they haven't been given correct instructions... both parties in the dispute must agree to remain engaged in the issue until there is agreement between them both

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the results must be recorded in both their records.

What makes the modern version of religious debate so pointless is the fact that the scholars don't engage until they've reached an agreement (they're allowed to quit) and neither party records the results into their own records.

I also feel the issues aren't given any reasonable degree of dignity (privacy).

But, what do I know?

Ninth Scribe
 
A debate? With the Pope? Isn't that very idea kind of laughable?

The Catholics claim the Pope to be infallable on issues of faith. So there is really nothing to debate there as far as the Pope is concerned. He is right and anybody who disagrees is wrong. Full stop. Debate would be meaningless. The Pope simply isn't open to it (and can't be even if he wanted to be), due to the very nature of his position. Am I wrong about this?

As for debate on other issues, why would the Pope be the one to debate? He's got no special knowledge or standing. He's no expert on anything aside from his own religion.
 
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id like to see if this ever actually happens - i doubt it tho :(

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Rabi'ya:rose:
 
Pygoscelis said:
A debate? With the Pope? Isn't that very idea kind of laughable?
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Nope. It would expose the lies of Christianity if the Pope debated.

The Catholics claim the Pope to be infallable on issues of faith. So there is really nothing to debate there as far as the Pope is concerned. He is right and anybody who disagrees is wrong. Full stop. Debate would be meaningless. The Pope simply isn't open to it (and can't be even if he wanted to be), due to the very nature of his position. Am I wrong about this?
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He isnt open to it in the open in front of everyone. The previous Pope agreed to debate with Ahmed Deedat as long as it was behind closed doors so that the world wont know of his and his religion's falsehood. Why doesnt the Pope show to the world that he is "infallible"? Or is he too arrogant to do that? He makes a comment and then when he is called to justify his words he is going to back out? He's just afraid that his and chrisitianity's lies will be exposed. So dear they hold their seats of power.

As for debate on other issues, why would the Pope be the one to debate? He's got no special knowledge or standing. He's no expert on anything aside from his own religion.
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So let him debate on his own religion? If he refuses, then he is simply to arrogant or he's afraid that he will lose his position in the eyes of the people and all the lies be exposed.
 
Greetings in peace Ähmed;

It would expose the lies of Christianity if the Pope debated.
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If there was to be a television debate with the purpose of trying to accuse the other side of having a faith based on lies, then I believe this would harm both Christianity and Islam. The media would love this kind of conflict, and would add fuel to the fire.

Both religions claim to be a religion of peace, forgiveness and mercy, we are asked not to make judgements on other people. Any debate between Islam and Christianity should reflect these qualities.

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship

Eric
 
Greetings and peace to you all,

I am a Catholic and I do not look on the Pope as being infallible when he teaches. For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must make it clear that it is definitive and binding. I believe there have only been seven occasions in the history of the church when this has happened, the last was in 1950.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Conditions_for_papal_infallibility

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric
 
Does anyone else find it rather odd that the same people who were so offended by the Pope's comments want a "debate" to expose the "lies" of Christianity? Seems rather dubious to me.
 
Keltoi said:
Does anyone else find it rather odd that the same people who were so offended by the Pope's comments want a "debate" to expose the "lies" of Christianity? Seems rather dubious to me.
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Throwing a cheap shot at someone is a sign of weakness, whereas if a person is really holding onto the truth - he shouldn't be afraid to debate with the one who is opposing him, and who is supposedly 'wrong.'

The muslim's want the debate because their not afraid due to the fact that it is the truth, the pope's backing off because he's afraid his weakness will be exposed.



It doesn't matter if he agree's or disagree's, because at the end of the day - we're all going to be judged on our actions, and the one's who Allaah Almighty chooses to expose will be humiliated.

So either way, if he doesn't accept the truth, or is too arrogant to face it - he will have to face it one day or the other.



Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Throwing a cheap shot at someone is a sign of weakness, whereas if a person is really holding onto the truth - he shouldn't be afraid to debate with the one who is opposing him, and who is supposedly 'wrong.'

The muslim's want the debate because their not afraid due to the fact that it is the truth, the pope's backing off because he's afraid his weakness will be exposed.



It doesn't matter if he agree's or disagree's, because at the end of the day - we're all going to be judged on our actions, and the one's who Allaah Almighty chooses to expose will be humiliated.

So either way, if he doesn't accept the truth, or is too arrogant to face it - he will have to face it one day or the other.



Peace.
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What "truth" is that? I seriously doubt the Pope is "afraid" to debate anyone. I assume you believe for whatever reason that faced with the world of Islam the Pope will suddenly be forced to see the light and revert? Let's get serious about the issue. I agree that God will judge in the end, why not leave it at that?
 
Keltoi said:
What "truth" is that? I seriously doubt the Pope is "afraid" to debate anyone. I assume you believe for whatever reason that faced with the world of Islam the Pope will suddenly be forced to see the light and revert? Let's get serious about the issue. I agree that God will judge in the end, why not leave it at that?
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I only agree with that logic for certain things. Using it for everything could lead to injustice. ;)
 
Keltoi said:
What "truth" is that? I seriously doubt the Pope is "afraid" to debate anyone. I assume you believe for whatever reason that faced with the world of Islam the Pope will suddenly be forced to see the light and revert? Let's get serious about the issue. I agree that God will judge in the end, why not leave it at that?
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If the pope's not afraid, why not debate with the muslim? It's much easier than getting humiliated by backing off don't you think? :)

Second - it's not our duty to convert anyone, our duty as muslim's is to convey the message. It's Allaah Almighty who guide's the hearts.


Thirdly, yup - if he doesn't want to debate, we'll all return to Allaah and be judged by Him, Almighty anyways.



Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
If the pope's not afraid, why not debate with the muslim? It's much easier than getting humiliated by backing off don't you think? :)

Second - it's not our duty to convert anyone, our duty as muslim's is to convey the message. It's Allaah Almighty who guide's the hearts.


Thirdly, yup - if he doesn't want to debate, we'll all return to Allaah and be judged by Him, Almighty anyways.



Peace.
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Do you even know what the "debate" would be about? Would it do any good for improving Christian/Islamic relations? If not, why bother?
 
Keltoi said:
Meaning?
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Meaning, I could use it for things of this nature, where someone says something, but not for cases where people do something unjust. In the latter case, action usually needs to be taken.

But anyway, my taking issue with that logic really doesn't have much to do with the thread, to tell the truth. My apologies.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;
Do you even know what the "debate" would be about? Would it do any good for improving Christian/Islamic relations? If not, why bother?
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I feel that you are right, any debate should try and improve relationships between our faiths somehow. There is enough conflict in this world, and how many times do we hear that conflict between religiions is at the heart of mankind's problems?

God has given each of us enough evidence to believe, but we lack that extra bit of evidence that we could claim truth.

In the spirit of searching for a greater understanding between our faiths.

Eric
 

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