Questions for atheists about origin of universe

[lavikor201]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Religion is scientific-based. Re-read the Torah and you'll soon discover that there are subliminal scientific messages throughout.

I do not believe in the Torah because I can prove it is 100% accurate. No one can do that for any book. It is a matter of BELIEF.

 

[wilberhum]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

I'm sorry you feel that way. I, as a Theist, personally thought Evolution was a test to my beliefs and I put my mind to disproving it, but I later found out that the theory had been disproven years, maybe decades ago.

C'mon, Wilbur, I challenge you!

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
Every thing (except religion) points to evolution.

What's the challenge? Disprove the unprovable.

 

[czgibson]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Greetings,

ATHEISTS:

Hello! I must admit you got my attention there.

Your famed 'Darwin Theory' has been disproven many times,

Try saying that in front of a room full of biologists!

but you couldn't even scratch the surface of Intelligent Design.

Perhaps you're right, although I thought William Paley pretty much exhausted its argumentative potential in about, ooh.... 1802?

Peace

 

[Dahir]

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Greetings,
Hello! I must admit you got my attention there.

Try saying that in front of a room full of biologists!

Perhaps you're right, although I thought William Paley pretty much exhausted its argumentative potential in about, ooh.... 1802?

Peace

Well, at least you tried to argue, I appreciate that effort...:uhwhat

Where's Root, he's a feisty Atheist! :shade:

 

[czgibson]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Greetings,

Religion is scientific-based.

What exactly do you mean by this opaque statement?

Its a mission for Theists to prove their faith on all grounds, and that includes scientific grounds -- because Atheists know less than we do, its their perception and that has to be corrected.

Marvellous! Thank you, O wise and knowledgable being for promising to correct my perception! All the ideas that I have on my own are rubbish; I need you to tell me how to live.

Peace

 

[Dahir]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Greetings,

Marvellous! Thank you, O wise and knowledgable being for promising to correct my perception! All the ideas that I have on my own are rubbish; I need you to tell me how to live.

Peace

See, CZ, I'm tempting you. Take the bait and join the debate!

What exactly do you mean by this opaque statement?

What I mean is that religion is one large, philosophical biological statement. Most people pass religion off as JUST a manuscript for lifestyle. But if you read the Quran, our seamingly (to outsiders) ritualistic lifestyle is all based on science -- we don't eat pork because its been tested and proven to cause stomach cancer -- just ONE example.

 

[Joe98]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Religion is scientific-based.

So endeth, the thread!

:bravo:

 

[Dahir]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

So endeth, the thread!

:bravo:

That's it?

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists



Here is a rule I keep in mind about Athiests,

Give them 5 minutes and move on, if they dont agree then probably Allah has closed their hearts. Its like debating with a person on a clear sunlit day and he's arguing that there's no sun! Spending too much time to convince them is time wasted.

 

[Dahir]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Here is a rule I keep in mind about Athiests,

Give them 5 minutes and move on, if they dont agree then probably Allah has closed their hearts. Its like debating with a person on a clear sunlit day and he's arguing that there's no sun! Spending too much time to convince them is time wasted.

Good lesson. But its not an issue of convinving anyone. I just wanted counter-theories that would touch light on the subject, instead I got typical drivel, jokes, and stereotype jabs.

Maybe its the fact that I saw this article 20 minutes ago and it was the single most profound thing I've read in my entire life -- to me it was a world of knowledge and it personally proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that intelligent design was necessary to even make sense of things, let alone be in our current state. Maybe they don't see it the same way I did.

 

[czgibson]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Greetings,

Good lesson. But its not an issue of convinving anyone. I just wanted counter-theories that would touch light on the subject, instead I got typical drivel, jokes, and stereotype jabs.

I'm sorry you don't feel you've had a reasonable chance to air your views.

Maybe its the fact that I saw this article 20 minutes ago and it was the single most profound thing I've read in my entire life -- to me it was a world of knowledge and it personally proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that intelligent design was necessary to even make sense of things, let alone be in our current state. Maybe they don't see it the same way I did.

I'm afraid not, no. If that article has had a deep effect on you then, fair enough, that's your experience to keep. Essentially, though, it's a standard ID proponent's statement of the argument from irreducible complexity. It's been around a while, but it's never moved beyond the status of pseudoscience.

If it makes sense to you, then that's your view, but don't imagine it means the theory of evolution by natural selection has been disproved.

Peace

 

[czgibson]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Greetings Ähmed,

Here is a rule I keep in mind about Athiests,

Give them 5 minutes and move on, if they dont agree then probably Allah has closed their hearts. Its like debating with a person on a clear sunlit day and he's arguing that there's no sun! Spending too much time to convince them is time wasted.

I think you're probably right.

We're all reasonable people, and yet we have this basic disagreement which no amount of argument can resolve.

There's still a huge amount we can learn from each other. Let's stop trying to argue - let's educate one another.

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Aethiests will create there propoganda, and theists will create theres. People have to stop trying to pretend they can 100% prove anything related to this subjct.
It is all belief.

this seems to be as almost impossible concept to convey to some people here.
you will not find many here who would say this:

I do not believe in the Torah because I can prove it is 100% accurate. No one can do that for any book. It is a matter of BELIEF.

about the qur'an.

 

[lavikor201]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Exactly. I can't prove the Torah is 100% accurate, but I can believe it is 100% accurate, because no one can prove any of our books are 100% accurate. It is all faith! Even for an atheist, it is faith in their beliefs.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

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That is not the case with the Quran, you can claim as you wish but the fact remains that the Quran is unchanged and is completely accurate as it was 1400 years ago. Even non-muslims have testified to this!

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=762&section=indepth&subsection=Glorious Quran

http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0042&catid=04&subcatname=What Is The Quran?

http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0167&catid=04&subcatname=What Is The Quran?

Peace.

 

[snakelegs]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

That is not the case with the Quran, you can claim as you wish but the fact remains that the Quran is unchanged and is completely accurate as it was 1400 years ago. Even non-muslims have testified to this!

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=762&section=indepth&subsection=Glorious Quran

http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0042&catid=04&subcatname=What Is The Quran?

http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0167&catid=04&subcatname=What Is The Quran?

Peace.

i am incapable of understanding how religion can ever be more than belief no matter how many times i run into this concept.
this is not a negative statement - it is just that religion and science are 2 different systems - one is not superior and one inferior.

 

[snakelegs]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Exactly. I can't prove the Torah is 100% accurate, but I can believe it is 100% accurate, because no one can prove any of our books are 100% accurate. It is all faith! Even for an atheist, it is faith in their beliefs.

religion requires no "proof".

 

[Dahir]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

i am incapable of understanding how religion can ever be more than belief no matter how many times i run into this concept.
this is not a negative statement - it is just that religion and science are 2 different systems - one is not superior and one inferior.

No. Religion serves to prove science correct, not challenge it.

When scientists tried studying the atom, they found out that atom was more 99% Empty -- that was written in the Koran in reference to the weightlessness of an atom.

Scientists tried to disprove God and created the big-bang theory, but that was false -- and in the Koran it says that the creation of the Earth was a precise creation/project, not a random explosion.

Scientists tried their witty ways again to disprove God with Evolution -- once again proven wrong, by both their own colleagues and the Koran.

You see, religion IS science! ALL you need to know is in the Koran. The first physicists, medicine men, and educators were Muslim -- their craft was well-tuned because they followed the Koran and made minimum error.

When you have scientists now following God's decree and instead CHALLENGING him, they make many mistakes, too many to count.

 

[Keltoi]

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No matter how many times you repeat the phrase "religion is science" I still don't buy it. That doesn't mean science and religion must be mutually exclusive, just that science works under a very rigid set of criteria that religion or pseudoscience don't have to operate under. Science looks for answers and so does religion, but they seek those answers in obviously different ways. As for the statement that Darwin's Theory of Evolution has been "disproven", I would be very curious as to how you came by that long lost secret in the scientific community.

 

[lavikor201]

Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

That is not the case with the Quran, you can claim as you wish but the fact remains that the Quran is unchanged and is completely accurate as it was 1400 years ago. Even non-muslims have testified to this!

Alright and I say the Torah has been unchanged since it was given to Moshe by G-d. Therefore, I win because the Quran must be wrong then. Or do you see the point of not playing a dumb game, of pretending you have 100% proof.