Questions for atheists about origin of universe

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Re: Question for atheists.

Therebbe
We have all gotten into speculation and our arguments hold absolutly no proofs.
I totally agree. Anything involving god is not provable and we are talking about a point in time that can not be replicated and thus provide some proof. I only present what I conceder could be a valid alternative.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

Purestambrosia

You make good points but they do not answer the question.
Not every question has an answer.... we had a peds Patient once who looked emaciated... was clearly febrile... we ran the million dollar work up on her... couldn't find the cause of her illness... yet she was clearly sick ... we simply couldn't identify the cause of her malady; with all the lab tests and highly developed equipment... we treated anyway with a broad spectrum... thankfully she recovered... bottom line is absence of evidence isn't conclusive that there was no illness... all the clinical signs pointed to an illness though deeper inspection couldn't recognize an organic cause.... on another note,
we didn't have a chloride sweat test 100 years ago to test for cystic fibrosis, but cystic fibrosis did exist whether we chose to acknowledge it or not.....Same thing of the universe... just because we can't grasp or logically able to prove that there is a God doesn't mean that there isn't....it is beyond our scope... our brains are too limited with all our advancements, we still get sick, age and die, we can't mimic the sophistication of creation.....
Medical evidence provides proof that patient with strong moral and religious support do better.... Personally I think that there is such grandeur and beauty that can't be a chance happening... to me if evolution works, it should limit itself to necessities but not beauty why do we need it? if it is all about survival? .... In the smallest of insects I see signs.... but that is just me.... either way I don't think God needs our validation or approval... Allah alghanii wantoum alfoqra'a.....
 
Re: Question for atheists.

Purestambrosia
I truly acknowledge that there is value to religion. But I also think that “Too much of a good thing”, is not good. I see where religion damages the “Quality of Life”.

But again, this has nothing to do with the question.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

Purestambrosia
I truly acknowledge that there is value to religion. But I also think that “Too much of a good thing”, is not good. I see where religion damages the “Quality of Life”..
I hear what you are saying.... religion is much like a knife.... can be used to heal by a skilled surgeon or murder by the deranged... It is up to the individual to use it wisely... we are all responsible for our own actions before God not others!
your statement brings an interesting point... I wish someone would help me locate this Hadith in Arabic and English... I read it some time ago... it goes
"ina aldeen wasi3, fawghil feeh berfiq, ina almonbata la aradan qata3, wla th'hran abqa"
roughly translates to... "religion is vast, so preach with gentility... the one who is harsh, hasn't crossed land nor kept his transport" this is my own understanding of the Hadith anyone is welcome to correct me... we all have different approaches and different personalities... that will reflect on how we carry our religion... a dress doesn't usually look the same on two people, though it is made of the same material.... again my take
thanks for reading
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Re: Question for atheists.

I don't know.

But that is so unhuman. Humans have to have an answer for everything.
If we don't know the answer, we make one up.
I liken it to asking two men what the square root of 8 is. One said 4, the other said, I don't know. Which one is right? Just because you are the only one with an answer, doesn't make you right.

But your simplicy is great. Good on you.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

But that is so unhuman. Humans have to have an answer for everything.
If we don't know the answer, we make one up.
I liken it to asking two men what the square root of 8 is. One said 4, the other said, I don't know. Which one is right? Just because you are the only one with an answer, doesn't make you right.

Ironic, because that's the typical atheist's mentality.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

Ironic, because that's the typical atheist's mentality.
You say that like it was a "Bad Thing". I think it's true, but is a "God Thing".
An Atheist says there is no god.
A theist says there is a GOD, but then makes up thousands of rules.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

Ironic, because that's the typical atheist's mentality.

How so? Do atheist claim they know where 'mass' and 'energy' come from? All they propose are theories and possibilities. They never say 'this is how it is' without doubt.
 
Re: Question for atheists.

How so? Do atheist claim they know where 'mass' and 'energy' come from? All they propose are theories and possibilities. They never say 'this is how it is' without doubt.
Ironic, because that's the typical theist's mentality. :giggling: :giggling:
 
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How so? Do atheist claim they know where 'mass' and 'energy' come from? All they propose are theories and possibilities. They never say 'this is how it is' without doubt.

And yet they reject God with confidence LOL
 
INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

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So where's the proof of God's existence? In accordance with our familiar axiom and in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry, genetics and information theory, the proof of God is all around us!

Through the microscope, we observe the E. coli bacterial flagellum. The bacterial flagellum is what propels E. coli bacteria through its microscopic world. It consists of about 40 individual protein parts including a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It's a microscopic outboard motor! The individual parts come into focus when magnified 50,000 times (using electron micrographs). And even though these microscopic outboard motors run at an incredible 100,000 rpm, they can stop on a microscopic dime. It takes only a quarter turn for them to stop, shift directions and start spinning 100,000 rpm in the opposite direction! The flagellar motor has two gears (forward and reverse), is water-cooled, and is hardwired into a signal transduction (sensory mechanism) so that it receives feedback from its environment.

When we apply the general principles of detecting specified complexity to biologic systems (living creatures), we find it reasonable to infer the presence intelligent design. Take, for example, the bacterial flagellum's stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It is not convenient that we've given these parts these names - that's truly their function. If you were to find a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, or propeller in any vehicle, machine, toy or model, you would recognize them as the product of an intelligent source. No one would expect an outboard motor -- much less one as incredible as the flagellar motor -- to be the product of a chance assemblage of parts. Motors are the product of intelligent design.

Furthermore, the E. coli bacterial flagellum simply could not have evolved gradually over time. The bacterial flagellum is an "irreducibly complex" system. An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If you remove any one part, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. There is absolutely no naturalistic, gradual, evolutionary explanation for the bacterial flagellum.

The bacterial flagellum (not to mention the irreducibly complex molecular machines responsible for the flagellum's assembly) is just one example of the specified complexity that pervades the microscopic biological world. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, "Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand million atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world."

ATHEISTS: Your famed 'Darwin Theory' has been disproven many times, but you couldn't even scratch the surface of Intelligent Design. Let us discuss.
 
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Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

is that from a transcript from a lecture btw?? coz i attended a lecture that pretty much said xactly same wording lol
salams
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

is that from a transcript from a lecture btw?? coz i attended a lecture that pretty much said xactly same wording lol
salams

Yes. Its from allaboutcreation.org -- it says above. I'm not sure if its from a lecture. Its form several books, I'm sure, although the website listed one book as source material.
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

INTELLIGENT DESIGN is not a Question for Atheists.

It is just another theist theory.
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

INTELLIGENT DESIGN is not a Question for Atheists.

It is just another theist theory.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I, as a Theist, personally thought Evolution was a test to my beliefs and I put my mind to disproving it, but I later found out that the theory had been disproven years, maybe decades ago.

C'mon, Wilbur, I challenge you! :D
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Aethiests will create there propoganda, and theists will create theres. People have to stop trying to pretend they can 100% prove anything related to this subjct.

It is all belief.
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

Aethiests will create there propoganda, and theists will create theres. People have to stop trying to pretend they can 100% prove anything related to this subjct.

It is all belief.

Religion is scientific-based. Re-read the Torah and you'll soon discover that there are subliminal scientific messages throughout. Its a mission for Theists to prove their faith on all grounds, and that includes scientific grounds -- because Atheists know less than we do, its their perception and that has to be corrected.
 
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN: A Question for Atheists

allaboutcreation.org



ATHEISTS: Your famed 'Darwin Theory' has been disproven many times, but you couldn't even scratch the surface of Intelligent Design. Let us discuss.

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
Who by Adnan Oktar (Harun Yahya) the “Pseudo Sciencest”?
Got anyone who has any credibility in the field?

Religion is scientific-based
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
 

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