The Feminists

Were equal aiight, DUN MESH :D

no need to get all personal 'wilberham' :)

Jeez what has happened to the so called friendly forum ?...
 
wilberhum said:
Different is not equal. But that is a whole different topic.
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different is indeed still equal

u wud let an adult ride a car but you would not let a kid ride a car, however that is only out of consideration for their differences. both are still equal !


Is my ideology flawed?
 
A man walks a dog on a leash.
Is the man protecting or controlling the dog?

Either way the dog is not an equal.
 
^ animals and humans are totally different, lol we're neva gonna get anywhere with this !
 
wilberhum said:
But you get the idea. Many think men and wormen do not have equal rights.
One man said he thout women were great, every man should own one.:grumbling
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individual thoughts shouldnt bother you so much, woman as a whole are respected by many men and held as great companions/wives/mothers etc etc. Thats what they are :)
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
individual thoughts shouldnt bother you so much, woman as a whole are respected by many men and held as great companions/wives/mothers etc etc. Thats what they are :)
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But gender discrimination does bother me. Alot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All discrimination bothers me.
Legalized discrimination is the worst. :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling
 
IzakHalevas said:
Actually there are laws in the United States, and other western countries pertaining to womens salaries. What you just said is illegal in the USA and the Western world. Is it illegal in the Middle East to pay women less?
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its illegal in the western world?? how come its still happening then ^o)
im not sure about the arab world but from what i have read a level 5 is salary is the same for both men and women...

strider i know that :) i was replying to something else
 
strider said:
You don't necessarily have to understand the material you are studying in order to pass an exam. I'm glad you got the A but unfortunately, you don't have the knowledge to show for it because you are wrong on so many accounts.

Feminists did not start out to be seen as superior to men! They lived in a society where the woman was literally a second class citizen and decided something had to be done. They wanted EQUAL rights. Culture, religious ideology, whatever. Why they were seen to be of such a low social class is another issue entirely and you will find that both religion and culture will play a role.

It was only a couple of decades ago was sex discrimination outlawed and women were given the vote. Women are STILL today in what you see to be a 'free society for women' fighting to be seen as equals in the workplace and actually get their employers to implement the laws in place! Yes, todays society is more free than it was 100 years ago for women, but i doubt much of that would have happened if it hadn't been for the feminist movement.
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OOOO didnt realise i had a reply...ok...

it doesnt matter if i understand or dont understand the materials i study at the end of the day i know what i know ...my understanding is very clear..even if i was an A grade student or an U grade student these feminsts go too far...

'Suprior to men' yes thats how i see it why because how much power do these women want..if we open our eyes...actually look into islam men/women!!..EQUAL...right?? coorect me if am wrong...culture plays a massive role here not religion because the stereotype of men thinking women should be slaves at home..not be educated..not work etc...thats all based on culture..not islam...islam does not say women cannot work,they cant get educated there is alot of free will..like i mentioned before as long its not breaking the islamic rulings then evrything is fine...

doesnt it matter if women are seen low in social class in this society...NO why at the end of the day we here to serve our lord All Mighty not the society..if our status is high in Allah[swt] [eyes]..then why bother about the role in women in society theres loads of other things women can do to get on in life..they dont always have to be in the spot light..n to be heard all the time...humbleness...is what we should be striving for not power...

equal rights we have sister in islam...and i dont know how much these women want but them do what they want...yes i thank the feminsts for leting women work etc.....but we have more important things to worry about i.e. akirah...we should think how can we serve our lord not the society...at the end of the day..this world is only temporary..
 
Emir Aziz said:
to western men(not the women)-come to Bangladesh see all the oppression by men on their women,show these oppression to me and then lecture me about women's rights.

I don't like feminists in Bangladesh.Becuz everytime they talk about women's rights they abuse the prophet(PBUH).
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Astagfirullallah...that is sooo BAAD!!!:offended: :offended:
 
I like feminists. I think I am one myself. I can never quite understand why in so many societies women have to suffer because men can't seem to control themselves. I mean, since we're on an Islamic forum: I can't for the live of it understand why women have to cover up because essentially men are unable to control their sexual urges. Surely, the solution in modern society would be somekind of male chastity belt, instead of demanding modesty from women?

I honestly believe the world would generally be a better place if more women would be in positions of power. I think masculine concepts like 'honor' and their propensity for aggressive behavior are having a negative influence on society as a whole.
 
^^^it'll be scary if women ruled the world..:offended:

modesty!!!women/ men should be covered up...i do not knw the exact quoting in the quran mayb some else can help here....:rollseyes

sexual desires...its the evil with in us that we need to fight!!
 
Sum-Muslim-Gal said:
OOOO didnt realise i had a reply...ok...

it doesnt matter if i understand or dont understand the materials i study at the end of the day i know what i know ...my understanding is very clear..even if i was an A grade student or an U grade student these feminsts go too far...

'Suprior to men' yes thats how i see it why because how much power do these women want..if we open our eyes...actually look into islam men/women!!..EQUAL...right?? coorect me if am wrong...culture plays a massive role here not religion because the stereotype of men thinking women should be slaves at home..not be educated..not work etc...thats all based on culture..not islam...islam does not say women cannot work,they cant get educated there is alot of free will..like i mentioned before as long its not breaking the islamic rulings then evrything is fine...

doesnt it matter if women are seen low in social class in this society...NO why at the end of the day we here to serve our lord All Mighty not the society..if our status is high in Allah[swt] [eyes]..then why bother about the role in women in society theres loads of other things women can do to get on in life..they dont always have to be in the spot light..n to be heard all the time...humbleness...is what we should be striving for not power...

equal rights we have sister in islam...and i dont know how much these women want but them do what they want...yes i thank the feminsts for leting women work etc.....but we have more important things to worry about i.e. akirah...we should think how can we serve our lord not the society...at the end of the day..this world is only temporary..
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Why are you bringing Islam into this particular posting? Firstly, you fail to understand what feminists stand for then you push that Islam is what's right. Yes, of course Islam liberated women and gave them rights to be seen as equals in a society which didn't see them to be as such. Many of the things feminists stand for Islam stands for two, yet SubhanAllah you still see them to be a source of embarassment. The minority may go overboard in approach to the issue but of course that would have been highlighted in your sociology class.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
^^^^me veiw and ur view totally different why should i care what the society sees the women as..at the end of the day i am a muslim and i will say what islam says not the society...

forgive me if am aguing sis..my understanding is clear...i do not need to eloborate any more...
 
Sum-Muslim-Gal said:
^^^^me veiw and ur view totally different why should i care what the society sees the women as..at the end of the day i am a muslim and i will say what islam says not the society...

forgive me if am aguing sis..my understanding is clear...i do not need to eloborate any more...
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Why should you care that a man maybe paid more than you? Or that you may be pushed aside by some boss who thinks women are not capable of running affairs at the top level? Yes, it makes no sense whatsoever to care. Afterall you are only a woman who maybe adversly affected in society, but nothing to worry about!

:rollseyes
 
Sum-Muslim-Gal said:
^^^^me veiw and ur view totally different why should i care what the society sees the women as..at the end of the day i am a muslim and i will say what islam says not the society...

forgive me if am aguing sis..my understanding is clear...i do not need to eloborate any more...
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Maybe you don't care how society treates you. Most do.
 
KAding said:
I like feminists. I think I am one myself. I can never quite understand why in so many societies women have to suffer because men can't seem to control themselves. I mean, since we're on an Islamic forum: I can't for the live of it understand why women have to cover up because essentially men are unable to control their sexual urges. Surely, the solution in modern society would be somekind of male chastity belt, instead of demanding modesty from women?
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Women all around the world "cover up", just to different extents, as different societies have different perceptions of what constitutes 'modest clothing'. Women do not cover themselves because of men, they cover themselves out of modesty and dignity. I am sure you do not live in a nude society - so does that mean you think that every woman in your society is wearing clothes only because of the desires of men?! It is against the law in MANY western societies to appear nude in public, so the west has limits on their dress as well.

Although women in the West are allowed to dress as they like, they do not have absolute freedom in doing so to the point that they may walk around topless or bottomless. However, wearing just a bra-like garment with a tight mini-skirt is completely acceptable in many parts of Western society. One wonders how this distinction is made, what mankind’s reference point in doing so should be, and who decides why exposing these private parts completely is a criminal offence, yet covering them slightly is a sign of liberation for women. (Haneef James Oliver, Sacred Freedom, p. 53)
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In Islam, the limits for modesty in dress are those set by God, not the guys behind the fashion industry in the west. It is fallacious for you to assume that those women who cover up in other societies do so only because of the desires of men. In fact, the Qur'an first commands men to lower their gaze and control their desires before it commands women to observe the modest dress outlined (Qur'an 24:30-31). These verses show that the Qur'an demands modesty from BOTH genders, not just women as you erroneously mentioned above. As well, modest clothing has been considered a part of the professional atmosphere in schools, businesses, courts, etc. in all societies.

If we want to talk about oppression of women, let us look at their exploitation in western media and its effects:

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1] A study shows that when men are shown in the background of a video, they are most often fully clothed. But when women are in the background, approximately half the time they are dressed in ways that expose or focus on their breasts and rear ends (ChildrenNow, Boys to Men: Media Messages About Masculinity, 1999).
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[SIZE=-1]A study of video games found that the few female characters in those games are often highly sexualized—wearing tight revealing clothing and having unrealistically large breasts and distorted small waists. (Girls and Gaming, Children Now; 2000.)

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]In a 1992 study of female students at Stanford University, 70% of women reported feeling worse about themselves and their bodies after looking at magazines. (A British study also had a similar finding.) Roughly 50% of teen girls in the U.S. read teen or adult fashion magazines. (Body Wars)

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Studies show that all plastic surgeries among teens increased by almost 50% from 1996-1998 mostly for girls (newswecanuse.org; 1/9/01)

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  • In a survey of girls 9 and 10 years old, 40% have tried to lose weight, according to an ongoing study funded by the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.
  • In a study on fifth graders, 10 year old girls and boys told researchers they were dissatisfied with their own bodies after watching a music video by Britney Spears or a clip from the TV show "Friends".
  • A 1996 study found that the amount of time an adolescent watches soaps, movies and music videos is associated with their degree of body dissatisfaction and desire to be thin.
  • One study reports that at age thirteen, 53% of American girls are "unhappy with their bodies." This grows to 78% by the time girls reach seventeen.
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[/SIZE]The American research group Anorexia Nervosa & Related Eating Disorders, Inc. says that one out of every four college-aged women uses unhealthy methods of weight control—including fasting, skipping meals, excessive exercise, laxative abuse, and self-induced vomiting. And the Canadian Fitness and Lifestyle Research Institute warns that weight control measures are being taken by girls as young as nine. American statistics are similar. In 2003, Teen magazine reported that 35 per cent of girls 6 to 12 years old have been on at least one diet, and that 50 to 70 per cent of normal weight girls believe they are overweight.
Media activist Jean Kilbourne concludes that, "Women are sold to the diet industry by the magazines we read and the television programs we watch, almost all of which make us feel anxious about our weight."

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•Video games and other media sometimes use prostitutes as characters that are targets for the male hero. In a game from the Duke Nukem series, prostitutes are forced to strip and are then killed. In the number one selling video game for 2001, Grand Auto Theft III, the player can clobber a prostitute with a baseball bat with a new game technique that allows the player to feel he or she is really doing this. In other popular media, prostitutes and strippers are often included to add scenes of female breasts and rear-ends on camera.These offer viewers images of women and female sexuality associated with exchanging sex for money, and sex with violence.

•In advertising, women’s bodies are used sexually to sell products more often than men’s. A 1997 advertising study showed that white women in roughly 62% of ads were "scantily clad", in bikinis, underwear, etc, while the same was true for 53% of black women. For men, the figure was only 25%. Women were also represented in stances of powerlessness more often, and black women were likely to be featured in animal prints, in predatory poses. (Racial and Gender Biases in Magazine Advertising, S. Plous and D. Neptune, 1997, Psychology of Womens Quarterly)

[/SIZE]After being exposed to sexually explicit advertisements, both men and women showed greater gender role stereotyping, rape myth acceptance, and acceptance of sexual aggression against women"
-Research Study (Mcay and Covell, 1997) Sex Roles: A Journal of Research​

"Exposure to pictures of fashion models from popular women's magazines resulted in negative body image and increased weight concern."​
-Research Study (Posavac, Posavac, & Posavac, 1998) Sex Roles: A Journal of Research​
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Perhaps if feminists aim to be the true advocates of women's rights they should turn their attention to the destructive mentality behind this exploitation first.

Regards
 
wilberhum said:
Boy would it be scary. What would we do without all the wars. :hiding: :hiding:
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Its funny that you and KAding are operating under the same stereotypical generalizations of women that feminists seek to eliminate! As Snakelegs pointed out earlier, women are just as capable of contributing to military conflict. There are just as many racists, bigoted, hateful women as men. Secondly, many wars are fought for the liberation of the oppressed and the preservation of security, hence pacifism in such cases would be destructive. The ruler must be strong willed and not easily manipulated in order to maintain law and order.
 

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