The Feminists

[IbnAbdulHakim]

And I always thought, in muslim families doesn't exist domestic violence? :rant: :rollseyes

black sheeps :rant:

 

[Tania]

I agree with you in this point ! Even though, not all are so good also. The german chancelor Angela Merkel has lost much in popularity and credibility

I don't know too much from what she is doing but Germany always were difficult to rule.
But we have our Benazil Butto-ex prim of Pakistan It was peace when she was there.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Please see my article entitled Muslim Women: Concept of Equality. One of the quotations from the article is:

In contrast to the feminist premise that women can do anything men can do, science is demonstrating that women can do some things better, that they have many biological and cognitive advantages over men. Then again, there are some things that women don't do as well. (SOURCE)
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[wilberhum]

In contrast to the feminist premise that women can do anything men can do

How wrong can someone be? What a totally false statement.

There are functions that more women can do better than most men, but there are some men that can do that function better than most women.
There are functions that more men can do better than most women, but there are some women that can do the function better than most men.

What a feminist want is for women who do equal work to receive equal pay.
If they have equal abilities then get an equal chance.

If to be fire fighters you need to be able to carry 150 pounds up a ladder, feminists only ask that if a woman can carry 150 pounds up a ladder that they have an opportunity to do the job.

A woman that writes the same quality of computer code should receive the same pay.

That is what feminists want and they are right.

To distort there objectives to defame them is no less than lying.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

How wrong can someone be? What a totally false statement.

It is not false. There are evidently many feminists that are still under the delusion that men and women possess identical capabilities, a notion that has been debunked by scientific research which shows that women excel over men in some areas and vice versa. Pay equity is a totally seperate issue and not the monopoly of feminists, nor the only issue they advocate.

 

[wilberhum]

It is not false. There are evidently many feminists that are still under the delusion that men and women possess identical capabilities, a notion that has been debunked by scientific research which shows that women excel over men in some areas and vice versa. Pay equity is a totally seperate issue and not the monopoly of feminists, nor the only issue they advocate.

What you found a couple of feminist extremists? Well goodie goodie. :rant:
You of all people, I would not have guessed that you would define a whole group by a few. :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling
Maybe you should look in your own back yard. :rant: ;D

 

[Tania]

I agree with that: for same job should be the same wage- if the quality is the same-no matter what gender has the employees. This is a good point.

 

[wilberhum]

I agree with that: for same job should be the same wage- if the quality is the same-no matter what gender has the employees. This is a good point.

Such an easy concept. Equal pay for equal work. It is much better than it use to be, but there is still some distance to travel.

 

[duskiness]

It is not false. There are evidently many feminists that are still under the delusion that men and women possess identical capabilities.

you can't find 2 people that posses identical capabilities!
The point feminists make is that defining who should you be, what traces of character you should posses, what jobs you can do, what your ambitions should be simply because you belong to other half of human population is wrong.
There are emotional women and those who are cool as ice,
cruel and caring,
stupid and wise,
those who can drive cars and those who should never be allowed to sit behind the wheel.
Deciding in advance about who am i, and what i can and can't do only because of fact that i may have PMS is unequal treatment.
Deciding on my salary only becuse it's more difficult for me to to pee standing is discrimnation.
Taking my testimony as less valuable only because i have higher estrogen level is discrimination.
Saying that i need someone to look after me only because statistics say i should be shorter than men is discrimnation.

you compare men and women to animals lol ok.

it was quote from "Animal Farm" by G. Orwell

 

[guyabano]

I don't know too much from what she is doing but Germany always were difficult to rule.
But we have our Benazil Butto-ex prim of Pakistan It was peace when she was there.

Hmmm, but look at Aquino and Macapagal in Philippines. Not a blessing too for the country. Philippines is often ruled by female presidents and doesn't come out of corruption !

 

[wilberhum]

duskiness
It is good to see that someone gets the point.

 

[Ummu Amatullah]

Philippines is often ruled by female presidents and doesn't come out of corruption !

Hi,

Maybe because the Philippines is ruled by a female president.I'm not saying females aren't capable of ruling over a whole country,but i'm just saying that God created men and women alike but with different capabilities and capacities.God created Hawa(a women) from the crooked rib of Adam(a man),womenkind were created delicate and soft,while men were created with toughness and strength.God created women to raise and take care of mankind so that we(mankind) would grow and be productive on Earth,and God created men for a different role.He created them so that they could be the breadbreeders of the family and so that they could go around the world working and doing all of the tough work.Delicacy and tenderness is in women's nature and being tough,strict,rough,powerful,or being the head is in a man's nature.If men and women switched places/if they switched roles.Let's say put the man in the house and let him raise the children,cook for the children,clean the house,and do all of the other housewife work;and take the women and put her in business,put her in the military.Let her fight in war,let her pick up huge structures which way 500 pounds,let her participate in wrestling.After all she's asking to be equal to men,and this is what men have to deal with.Seriously be honest with your self.Can you imagine a world like that?Would mankind be able to grow and survive that way?

God created everything with wisdom,he made a system for mankind.He created everything with order and has perfected his creation.He has set a natural harmony in this world and if we disturb that harmony we'll bring distruction upon our ownselves.So to those feminists I say, "Leave your feminist philosophies and let the natural organization of God prevail."

Peace,and this is just my view

Sincerely,
Shukri A.K.A Al-Muslimah​

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

^^^Well said sister..mashaAllah

 

[wilberhum]

I'm not saying females aren't capable of ruling over a whole country

But really you are. And more "reasons" to keep women in ther place.
A womens place is in the House. Right and in the Senate too.

 

[Sum-Muslim-Gal]

well not exactly yes its better for women to be in the house and having commitment to family but in some cases women dont always have to be in the house...they can be working or whatever they do best as long as its not breaking islamic rulings...but yes its more liked for a women to be in the house so its causes less problems ...[in other words]

 

[Ummu Amatullah]

But really you are. And more "reasons" to keep women in ther place.
A womens place is in the House. Right and in the Senate too.

I'm saying the women's place is where she belongs,it's where her capabilities allow her to be which isn't only limited to the house but anywhere else such as in the community,at jobs were she's capable of getting things done {Not picking up loads of bricks and etc.....,nor in the military since that's a very dangerous field where a women shouldn't be unless she chooses not to raise her children and to depart from her family}.

Sincrely,
Shukri A.K.A. Al-Muslimah​

 

[Keltoi]

Just depends on the society and culture. American and European societies have set a standard of equal treatment and opportunity for women. Other cultures view the female role in a different way. There is abuse and then there is tradition. As long as tradition doesn't manifest itself as abuse I don't see any reason to push a particular worldview on anyone.

 

[wilberhum]

Just depends on the society and culture. American and European societies have set a standard of equal treatment and opportunity for women. Other cultures view the female role in a different way. There is abuse and then there is tradition. As long as tradition doesn't manifest itself as abuse I don't see any reason to push a particular worldview on anyone.

You are so right. If a woman thinks she needs to stay at home, that's wonderfull. But noone has the right to force a woman to stay at home based soly on the fact that she is a woman. And if she choses to work, reguardless of the reason, she should have that right and she should receive equal pay. Using false pretenses of some sort of unequal equality is wrong. :grumbling

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

What you found a couple of feminist extremists? Well goodie goodie. :rant:
You of all people, I would not have guessed that you would define a whole group by a few. :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling
Maybe you should look in your own back yard. :rant: ;D

Hi Wilber,
I never said "all feminists", I said "many", so I was not attributing a view to all feminists at any point. There are many different feminist ideologies and movements. Hence, your comment that I was "defining a whole group by a few" is erroneous.


Hello Duskiness,

Deciding in advance about who am i, and what i can and can't do only because of fact that i may have PMS is unequal treatment.

The only person to decide who you are is yourself. But scientific research has revealed great insight in order to describe who you are, according to general trends to which there are always exceptions,

The fact of the matter is that differences between men and women extend beyond mere physical differences, there are psychological differences as well. They are not the same. For instance, Feminists would view the ratio of male:female in political governance as the consequence of discrimination, which does happen often, but at the same time research reveals that there should be no reason to expect proportional representation when both genders have inherent differences in capabilities, either excelling in some areas over the other. Provided that there are equal opportunities, there will still always be more female psychologists then male and more male construction workers than female. That's not to say that females are better, it is just that in general they excel in different areas.

Many feminists would have us ignore gender differences altogether which has been shown to harmful to society in many cases, such as education:
http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/479905.html

Peace

 

[wilberhum]

Again:

There are functions that more men can do better than most women, but there are some women that can do the function better than most men.

Scientific research is not based on the individual. We should not base rules for an individual based on the average.
Anything different than total equality is discrimination.
Discrimination is evil.
Maybe some of you just a different "Moral Compuss" than me.
So if you think gender discrimination is good, my advise, get a different compuss.