Truth= god does not exist?

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Again from br. lolwatever:

He asks you, why you ignored his comment. And adds regarding parallel universes:

a. how does that refute wat i said.
b. parallel universe is just a theory.
c. parallel universe has nothign2do with the topic.
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Yipee..
...Thanks bro, any tips,hints,criticisms are welcomed...

Peace


(and thank you if you didnt want to make apparent my ignorance)
 
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warning: this is lolly

salams
in response to nogod2006 i said:

"Perhaps if you knew something about math, you'd understand that it's 100% wrong of you to even suggest that such a probabalistic monstrosity could occur.... simply put... if you take the limit of a probability function that models the existance of this universe - ranging from the bgi bang, to the organistaion fo chaos, to the evolution of all sorts of things to their current states, no mathematicision would argue that the probability literally is not ZERO.

Try disproving that if you wish... based on that, knowing that the probability is literally zero in the limit, surely there's gotta be some sort of intelligent designer behind it all."

I advise you to take a course in math.... you'll learn alot trust me (math is a science btw)
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I got a pathetic response from nogod2006 "I'm familiar witht hat argument, hav u hear of parallel universe theories"


The question is:

a. If you're so famililar with that argument, y not reply to it? (And don't tell me "oh but y is so n so mathemtiacian athiest" that doesnt refute the argument).
b. parallel universe is just a theory.
c. parallel universe has nothign2do with the topic... i can use that to my advantage too, but it would go off topic.


now.. nogod2006.... reply to that point.. u seem to hav ignored me totally!

mods pls move this 2 dat thread.. n insure he replies!!!
 
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And im confused why can i not read the posts of br. lolwatever?

I havent read anything of his, im confused..it seems interesting
 
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naz87 said:
atheist this question you asked is too easy to answer. if there wasnt a God then where you think we humans came from? not only that, God gave us eyes to see, ears to hear, a brain to think and memorize etc. you think all that happened by itself? i seriously doubt it.
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You seem to be mistaking our lack of knowledge of our origins with knowledge thereof.

Just because we can't explain something, just because we don't know something, doesn't mean a God did it, let alone the specific God that you subscribe to.

This is a very well known fallacy some refer to as "the god of the gaps"
 
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Pygoscelis said:
You seem to be mistaking our lack of knowledge of our origins with knowledge thereof.

Just because we can't explain something, just because we don't know something, doesn't mean a God did it, let alone the specific God that you subscribe to.

This is a very well known fallacy some refer to as "the god of the gaps"
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He affirms in the title of this thread that " Truth= god does not exsist!"
Does that seem to you like someone who lacks knowledge? Or someone very assured that God doesn't exist? No one is asking him to believe in the "specific God that we subscribe to" we ask him that he backs his claims with his form of LOGICAL TRUTH that "our" God doesn't exist......
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nogod2006 said:
i am quite familliar with that argument
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We also familiar about the standard u will give reply.

Believe in God is an undeniable faith.

U does not know who created the entire thing that exits.
U does not know whose creation around u help u in order to make u run in every second.
U does not know why there is proof that people worshiping God in every civilization.
U does not know why people believe in God from the beginning of the time.
U does not know what thing gone from a man and make him dead.

I know who created the entire thing that exits. It is Allaah SWT

Can any doctor give a bond sign against any recovery of a simple disease?

The difference between u and me is quite similar to the difference between me and a dead man.
 
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:sl:
nogod2006 said:
I have yet to meet an individual that can prove the existence of this unseen entity that is known universally as god. My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world came to be by mere chance and probability. That is why I would to like call out to any one that can prove to me (once and for all) the existence of this so called god ( or maybe gods ……ha-ha).
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And I have yet to meet an individual that cannot prove the existence of this unseen entity that is known universally as god. My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world did not come to be by mere chance and probability. You wanna know why? Because I have faith in God, I believe in God. You do not. That is the difference.

P.S please try to use references to prove your points that are based on solid scientific facts
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It always cracks me up when aethists use that sentence.

Pygoscelis said:
You seem to be mistaking our lack of knowledge of our origins with knowledge thereof.

Just because we can't explain something, just because we don't know something, doesn't mean a God did it, let alone the specific God that you subscribe to.

This is a very well known fallacy some refer to as "the god of the gaps"
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And just because we cannot convince you that God exists doesn't mean He doesn't. This is a very well known fact some refer to as "faith".

See how easy it is to turn arguments around?
 
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:sl:

God exists. Definitely. Who created something as complex as you? As your eyes? All come about by chance right? Think again.

Are you familiar with the Design Argument?

:w:
 
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The title of this thread is suggests that you are completely convinced, upon entering one thinks you would have convincing argument as to why you say this. To my disapointment I find

My core beliefs stem from the fact that this world came to be by mere chance and probability
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:uuh: :uhwhat :uhwhat

Im sure the thought of mankind being evolved monkeys seems appeaing to you. I am also sure if Darwin were alive he would he would use Goerge Bush as evidence to this claim, given his intelectual level :offended:

what would you call a guy who says he thinks the McLaren-F1 was created or has a probability of bieng created after a Hurricane comes around, picks up all the debris, then connects the debris together by random chance to leave a McLaren-F1 in Immaculate condition when the hurricane stops.
Would you call him rational? intelligent? clever? NO!...to put it lightly the person has a few screws loose maybe. If you cannot fathom this them how can you say the world as we see it has a probability of occuring?

lol.watever has refuted your claims ubout the use of probability to prove that God doesn't exist but you have ingnored his comments completely even though its most relevant to your claims. Brothers and Sisters should refrain from wasting their time if this guy isn't serious and has only come to feed his ego, let him answer brother lol.watever first.

By the way, your arrogance shows through on your posts:

"for your own sake, stop ( i repeat stop) embarrassing your self"
"so called god"
"good luck on that buddy"
"what are u talking about "buddy""
"again try to prove the exsistence this allaaah haha"
"read my quote again pleeeeeazzze"
"very good
please now proceed and prove the exsistence of this god"

It is clear that whith such a mind set you are not taking an objective look at the responses to your initial post...for your own sake in future I hope you keep an open mind to the responses you get and appear more serious...especially being a new member and all...unless you want to get added to their "Ignore list" of course ;D . I would appreciate it if you consider this advice.

Peace
 
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nogod2006 said:
P.S please try to use references to prove your points that are based on solid scientific facts
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what is solidly scientific that man comes from ape? did these solid scientists see their ancestors or something?
 
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yo!


you gotta open yo mind and listen to the arguments but if you've already made up yo mind....

Truth= god does not exsist!​


which by the way is spelt wrong *exist*

then there's no point....this just seems like an onslaught coz if you were actually prepared to find out about God or the lack of you would have read about it....thoroughly.

I mean some people beleive in the big bang...i persoanlly find that ridiculous but what about after the big bang....the order of the universe...its so complex...how can you beleive nobody created it? :?

leaving aside the scientific arguments...how can the world exist with no creator...im sorry but i cant believe a bang...no matter how BIG created it all. :offended:

people who dont beleive in God are atheist right? what is there purpose in life...Im livin to die...what bout you?
 
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^^^^^ i suppose...wanna hear from them tho.....
 
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God: Does He Exist?

God may not be provable through mathematical formulae or properties of physics, but we live in an era where the evidence of God is all around us. Just look through the Hubble Telescope and peer to the edge of the massive cosmos. View the monitor of an electron-scanning microscope and delve into the intricate world of an organic cell. Sit down and read an entire library of information that reveals the complexity of the digital code that turns a fertilized egg into a human being. Study principles of quantum mechanics and investigate the world of extra-dimensionality. Review the nature of your conscience, subconscious, standards of morality, thoughts of religion. Then, try to reconcile all of these realities with a basic theory of randomness. Not believing in God is much more of a “leap of faith” than ever.

i wish that Answers your question :?
 
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Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, disillusioned people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

got this one from the net from a person who was an atheist
 
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Pr1nc3ss said:
God exists. Definitely. Who created something as complex as you? As your eyes? All come about by chance right? Think again.
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In an infinite, or even just very large universe virtually just about anything could "come about by chance" according to simple probability theory. Given a virtually infinite number of chances to happen, something seemingly almost 'impossible' will happen. No proof of God there.. not least because one huge question remains even if you accepted the argument from design - where did God come from? It gets you nowhere... unless you come up with a reason for God's existence that is no more probable than the stuff you claim would be impossible, indeed rather less so.

My personal take on the original question is that there is definitely something out there, within us and everywhere that embraces and nutures everything and ultimately created everything. What that thing is, I don't know, and I don't believe human beings ever can know, we just don't have the capacity to comprehend and understand, so its existence can never be 'proved' by logical means. Maybe some of the great sages and teachers in history have come close to understanding, but never 'proof' only experience. Just about everybody feels it touch at some point during their lives. But, I doubt very much it is a God as believed by the Judeo/Christian/Islamic traditions - like the Buddhist and Taoist traditions they teach an interpretation of that reality; but I happen to believe it a very simplistic one compared to the Eastern religions/philosophies.

Experience is what its all about, and what all of a religious and spiritual persuasion (and indeed everybody else) should strive for. Without that direct experience, experience of God if you like, just following rules written down in a book (whichever book it may be), let alone other people's interpretation of them, amounts to no more than behaving like a sheep. Those words alone mean nothing. They are at best a guidebook, and once their purpose has been achieved they should be joyously abandoned as no longer needed.
 
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