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MF i think u misunderstand the concept of JIHAD

it means 'struggle' and is not limited to fighting
in fact the best jihad is the struggle against ur own desires for God's sake
 
ckerofilm said:
MF i think u misunderstand the concept of JIHAD

it means 'struggle' and is not limited to fighting
in fact the best jihad is the struggle against ur own desires for God's sake
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In fact the hadith your qouting is fabricated and a lie.
 
FBI said:
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It's clear u don't understand Jihad so I won't even debate with u on it, Show me where I said blowing ur self up is Jihad please qoute me on it.
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You said "qitaal" which means to fight. Please have the audacity to inform me that a way of fighting many Muslims have undertaken is not bombing something.
 
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I am aware of that but the 'concept' of the hadith is true
the reason it is 'weak' is because it is attributed to the prophet (saw) when it was actually probably one of the companions' statement when returning from jihad we return from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad
 
ManchesterFolk said:
You said "qitaal" which means to fight. Please have the audacity to inform me that a way of fighting many Muslims have undertaken is not bombing something.
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But u directed that comment at me as if I believe that, I don't in fact I strongly oppose that method/
 
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Jihad can mean fighting. But it can also mean building Masjids, writing polemics, founding Islamic centres of education, helping the elderly and poor (probably something more than just putting a couple of pence on a collection plate though, such as making some sort of welfare reform), or something else like that. Jihad does not literally mean fighting, literally it means 'struggling', or 'striving to purify the world around one'.
There is also Jihad of the soul, which includes fighting off evil thoughts and temptation, and many do say that this is the 'greater Jihad', though this opinion is debateable.
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ckerofilm said:
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I am aware of that but the 'concept' of the hadith is true
the reason it is 'weak' is because it is attributed to the prophet (saw) when it was actually probably one of the companions' statement when returning from jihad we return from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad
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La Akhi the concept is false.
 
FBI said:
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La Akhi the concept is false.
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So Jihad is really not a word hijacked by terrorists. Wow, who knew, I guess I will stop this myth from spreading about Jihad and "peace". Unless there are different opinions than yours of course.
 
This is going a bit off-topic but there are many cases when the hadith is weak becasue of its chain of narration but the words themselves are true...
 
FBI said:
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La Akhi the concept is false.
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Can you prove that? No. Neither can Ckerofilm prove his position, although he has provided more evidence for it, rather than simply asserting it. However, a scholar is able to prove their opinion on it, as they have been studying these things for years, and have books full of hadith we probably have never heard of. So ask a scholar about it, rather than trying to argue by simply saying 'it is false' over and over again.
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ManchesterFolk said:
So Jihad is really not a word hijacked by terrorists. Wow, who knew, I guess I will stop this myth from spreading about Jihad and "peace". Unless there are different opinions than yours of course.
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Where does it say that islaam is simply just a religion of peace? Yes it promotes it, but at the same time its a religion of justice. Therefore anyone who gets attacked has a right to defend themselves. We don't simply keep turning our other cheek.



Peace.
 
I read about this issue in a hadith book but I don't have that with me anymore (i think it was called something like a brief introduction to the sciences of hadith darussalam publications)
according to that book the words of the hadith were supported by I think an ayah from the quran but I don't remember exactly so i cannot say....
Allahu 'alam
 
ManchesterFolk said:
So Jihad is really not a word hijacked by terrorists. Wow, who knew, I guess I will stop this myth from spreading about Jihad and "peace". Unless there are different opinions than yours of course.
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Even if FBI is right, that does not necessarily mean that Jihad has not been 'hijacked' by terrorists.
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Fishman said:
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Can you prove that? No. Neither can Ckerofilm prove his position, although he has provided more evidence for it, rather than simply asserting it. However, a scholar is able to prove their opinion on it, as they have been studying these things for years, and have books full of hadith we probably have never heard of. So ask a scholar about it, rather than trying to argue by simply saying 'it is false' over and over again.
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I can prove it, listen to imam anwar awlakis lectures, I didn't want to post lenghthy articles as it would go off-topic.
 
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Manchester Folk u have a habbit of putting words in my mouth, please in future qoute me, or don't say I believe such and such thank u.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Where does it say that islaam is simply just a religion of peace? Yes it promotes it, but at the same time its a religion of justice. Therefore anyone who gets attacked has a right to defend themselves. We don't simply keep turning our other cheek.



Peace.
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I don't really think this 'religion of peace' thing is really a good thing to promote, since Islam is not actually pacifist like Bhuddism or modern Christianity. 'Not pacifist' does not mean 'warlike', however, it simply means that the ideology in question simply doesn't think that war is inherently wrong. The British in WWII wanted peace, but they certainly were not pacifists.
P.S: Just because Islam believes that war is not inherently wrong does not mean that it believes that war is good, just that it is sometimes, if circumstances are dire, nessesary. The Prophet (pbuh) once told his army to be ready to fight, but not to desire to meet with the enemy.
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