Save al Aqsa

[Fishman]

I can prove it, listen to imam anwar awlakis lectures, I didn't want to post lenghthy articles as it would go off-topic.

You would not be proving it, Mr. Awlaki would be proving it.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

it simply means that the ideology in question simply doesn't think that war is inherently wrong.

Of course war if inherently wrong though. War means killing and killing is wrong. War is the defintion of how human society is a failure, because we do not prevent war.

I'm sorry if my values differ from yours but in no way do I accept that war is nessesary or part of life.

 

[IceQueen~]

it also depends on the situation
some things are far worse than fighting and killing for eg fasad
so is it employing the lesser of two evils in this case...?

 

[Fishman]

Of course war if inherently wrong though. War means killing and killing is wrong. War is the defintion of how human society is a failure, because we do not prevent war.

I'm sorry if my values differ from yours but in no way do I accept that war is nessesary or part of life.

I would say whether a war is wrong or not depends on the reason. I do believe it was wrong to invade Iraq, but I believe it was a good thing that the allies tried to stop the Nazis. If the allies were pacifists, then we would all be speaking German now...

 

[ManchesterFolk]

I would say whether a war is wrong or not depends on the reason. I do believe it was wrong to invade Iraq, but I believe it was a good thing that the allies tried to stop the Nazis. If the allies were pacifists, then we would all be speaking German now...

True, but at the same time, Pacifism does not mean to lie down and die, it means to believe in an ideology. If my beliefs of war were held around the world, there would never have been Nazi's or there bigotry.

The problem with Pacifism is that there are so many who believe war is an okay solution, and these people will kill you if you remain a Pacifist.

What I am trying to say is if the Germans were pacifists 50 million people would not have died.

 

[Fishman]

True, but at the same time, Pacifism does not mean to lie down and die, it means to believe in an ideology. If my beliefs of war were held around the world, there would never have been Nazi's or there bigotry.

The problem with Pacifism is that there are so many who believe war is an okay solution, and these people will kill you if you remain a Pacifist.

What I am trying to say is if the Germans were pacifists 50 million people would not have died.

So, basically, pacifism only works if everybody is a pacifist, which is oviously not the case. Therefore, in practice pacifism does not work.

 

[Muezzin]

We're really straying from the topic here.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

So, basically, pacifism only works if everybody is a pacifist, which is oviously not the case. Therefore, in practice pacifism does not work.

Of course pacifism works. Other routes will soon lead us to the destruction of our species because of Nuclear weapons and other things. If a Nuclear war happens so many countries will launch them it will be the end of the world. Therefore, we are not talking about swords anymore.

 

[Curious girl2]

^^^^ ya i do^^^ Whats better than dying in the cause of Allah and then meeting allah as a martyar a word which today means terrorsit:unhappy:

Hmm, how about living piously, helping others, feeding the poor, caring for the sick, standing up for injustice without taking anothers life in the process..........

Peace CG

 

[SATalha]

:salamext:


All our lives are dedicated in order to serve Allaah. And the greatest sacrifice a person can make is to die for Allaah's sake.


Here's quite alot of sahih [authentic] evidence.


Virtues of the Martyrs
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=9857

Allhamdulillah

 

[FBI]

Hmm, how about living piously, helping others, feeding the poor, caring for the sick, standing up for injustice without taking anothers life in the process..........

Peace CG

You do know the prophet(pbuh) wanted shuhadaa more then anyone and he him self participated in numerous battles.

 

[Curious girl2]

You do know the prophet(pbuh) wanted shuhadaa more then anyone and he him self participated in numerous battles.

Its one thing to participate in battles, but to blow yourself up just to strike out at civilians isnt right. Yes I know neither you nor anyone else on here have suggested that suicide bombings are right. But the fact is, some people, who just happen to be muslims, misguided ones at that, think its a good idea to strap on an explosive belt, go into a civilian area and pull the cord. They think they are doing to be martyrs, they are wrong.

If anyone really wants to make a difference, try this, find a likeminded Jew, they exist, there are a few on here, find a likeminded Christian, again there are some on here. Go to Palestine, stand at a checkpoint hand in hand, together against ALL injustice and shout for NO MORE DEATHS. The crisis in Palestine/Isreal will never be solved until we all stand together shouting with one voice.

Killing is getting nowhere, neither Isreal or Palestine will win by violence. Jihad doesnt necessarily mean killing.

Peace CG

 

[SATalha]

Actually it is against Jewish law to rebuild the Holy Temple until the Moshiach comes. By the time the Moshiach comes, no Muslim will have a problem with the rebuilding of the Temple because all Muslims will realize it is the will of G-d. Therefore, don't worry, by the time we rebuild the Temple, you will be helping us take down the existing structure, unless your stubborn enough to reject G-d because of your own personal pride. So basically, until Moshiach comes, you won't have to worry about rebuilding our Temple. And when Moshiach comes, well you won't really care according to our belief.



If you are not careful how you donate to Palestine it can very well be used to by a gun instead of a hot meal for a starving family. You see, many corrupt Palestinians militants see it better to buy a gun to kill then provide for there ownign starving people.

Yes hear we go again, dont try to descredit Interpal they are doing a great job trying to help the Palestinians. You realy think what the Isreali guvernment is doing is Human. Man they are the most racist guvernment in the world (they did support appardtide in S. Africa remember. You call the militants corrupy but infact they are freedom fighters, look at the Isreali prisoner policies its barbaric:raging:

Look all i want is peace in the Holy land and the only way for that is if the Isreali Occupation stops and a nuetral body is placed to control the Holy Land. Isrealis dont know the meaning of comparmise so the go around boldowzing every thing and shooting at anyone. I think the army need target practice coz 9/10 a child is killed:raging: :raging: :raging:

 

[SATalha]

^^^^ ya i do^^^ Whats better than dying in the cause of Allah and then meeting allah as a martyar a word which today means terrorsit:unhappy:

Ameen

 

[arabiyyah]

Yes hear we go again, dont try to descredit Interpal they are doing a great job trying to help the Palestinians. You realy think what the Isreali guvernment is doing is Human. Man they are the most racist guvernment in the world (they did support appardtide in S. Africa remember. You call the militants corrupy but infact they are freedom fighters, look at the Isreali prisoner policies its barbaric:raging:

Look all i want is peace in the Holy land and the only way for that is if the Isreali Occupation stops and a nuetral body is placed to control the Holy Land. Isrealis dont know the meaning of comparmise so the go around boldowzing every thing and shooting at anyone. I think the army need target practice coz 9/10 a child is killed:raging: :raging: :raging:

chill out bro. your ragin.

 

[sudais1]

Yes hear we go again, dont try to descredit Interpal they are doing a great job trying to help the Palestinians. You realy think what the Isreali guvernment is doing is Human. Man they are the most racist guvernment in the world (they did support appardtide in S. Africa remember. You call the militants corrupy but infact they are freedom fighters, look at the Isreali prisoner policies its barbaric:raging:

Look all i want is peace in the Holy land and the only way for that is if the Isreali Occupation stops and a nuetral body is placed to control the Holy Land. Isrealis dont know the meaning of comparmise so the go around boldowzing every thing and shooting at anyone. I think the army need target practice coz 9/10 a child is killed:raging: :raging: :raging:

true, Isreal need to get there sorry butts out of the out of the Holy Land and lets establish peace, no more blow this or blow that up. From "Extermists" and Zionists.

To be Honest I beileve Jerusalem will never see lasting peace untill the Zionist regime leave and are extinct like the USSR

Long Live Palestine :amin: Long live Al Aqsa :amin:

 

[SATalha]

true, Isreal need to get there sorry butts out of the out of the Holy Land and lets establish peace, no more blow this or blow that up. From "Extermists" and Zionists.

To be Honest I beileve Jerusalem will never see lasting peace untill the Zionist regime leave and are extinct like the USSR

Long Live Palestine :amin: Long live Al Aqsa :amin:

Yes bro zionist need to get out. All i want is peace between the three walks of life. We can achieve it:thumbs_up

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

You dont need daleel to know that the destruction of Masjid al Aqsa is what the aim is, so that they can build the temple of Soleman (PBUH).

I know the 2 groups you're talking about. I came across one by accident and almost fell over when they announced they had a red heifer... but this is a group of zealots - the Israeli government has forbidden them to step foot anywhere near the Temple mount.

The Golden Rule of the Covenant is: All must stand as one man.

So, you all see the problem?

Ninth Scribe

 

[eagleye]

I'm not fan of homosexuality, but I wish you would spend more time condemning people who blow buses up, then attacking gays who did nothing to you.

end of violence is the first thing to be occupied.

 

[UmmHasan]

Its one thing to participate in battles, but to blow yourself up just to strike out at civilians isnt right. Yes I know neither you nor anyone else on here have suggested that suicide bombings are right. But the fact is, some people, who just happen to be muslims, misguided ones at that, think its a good idea to strap on an explosive belt, go into a civilian area and pull the cord. They think they are doing to be martyrs, they are wrong.

If anyone really wants to make a difference, try this, find a likeminded Jew, they exist, there are a few on here, find a likeminded Christian, again there are some on here. Go to Palestine, stand at a checkpoint hand in hand, together against ALL injustice and shout for NO MORE DEATHS. The crisis in Palestine/Isreal will never be solved until we all stand together shouting with one voice.

Killing is getting nowhere, neither Isreal or Palestine will win by violence. Jihad doesnt necessarily mean killing.

Peace CG

I agree with you sister