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Salaam/peace & Eid Mubarak to all :p


In no way, is Christianity any type of "second Judaism" or "Messianic Judaism". Christianity is its own seperate religion foreign from the religion of Judaism, and is not even close:


......Christianities pagan origins and beliefs of not recongnizing the Torah which is eternal make it not even close to Judaism.


-----If no way is Christianity related to Judaism , not even close , then i m curious , why Christians believe it's their religious duty to help Jews ?

I read in a news item where Christian missionaries visited some Rabbis in the holy land & expressed their support for Israel/Jews.


What Jews think about Christians religious support for them ?
 
No, there is no recognized prophet that was killed by the Jews.

Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Shalom rav,

i'm not sure that is a correct statement. i'll check my Tanakh when i have the time. (i'm thinking later prophets or minor ones will say something different in the Nevi'im)

edit: opps, it was in the Kethuvim, Nehemiah 9:26 "26 Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against Thee, and cast Thy law behind their back, and slew Thy prophets that did forewarn them to turn them back unto Thee, and they wrought great provocations."

is there any indication, through Rambam or Rashi (or others) that the Mashiach will be learned or unlettered?

also, any indication that any of the Torah GIANTS were familiar with the Qur'an? i'm thinking that those in Spain may have been...

Peace,

:w:

Yusuf

ps: adding to rav's rep!
 
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Salaam/peace;

No, there is no recognized prophet that was killed by the Jews.

which Prophet (p) was in charge of Mother Mary (p) ? Is he recognized by Jews ? Sorry , i don't remember his name right now ......John (p) the baptist ???? Was he killed by Jews ?
 
First Muslim Woman, please fit all your questions into one post next time:
-----If no way is Christianity related to Judaism , not even close , then i m curious , why Christians believe it's their religious duty to help Jews ?

I read in a news item where Christian missionaries visited some Rabbis in the holy land & expressed their support for Israel/Jews.

What you are hearing is from Christians who believe that the only way their savoir Jesus will return is when the Holy Land is a Jewish country, ect. Ironically, these groups are very set on converting Jews and they by some reports put billions of dollars into converting my bretherin/fellow Jews. Since I believe a Jewish soul to be more important than the Jewish body, I believe anyone trying to destroy a Jewish soul by converting it is worse than a hateful, mind slave Muslim who wishes to tear apart a Jewish body by suicide bombing.

Therefore, most Jews are very on gaurd when listening to their support but knowing they will try and convert us.

YusufNoor, you wrote:
edit: opps, it was in the Kethuvim, Nehemiah 9:26 "26 Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against Thee, and cast Thy law behind their back, and slew Thy prophets that did forewarn them to turn them back unto Thee, and they wrought great provocations."

Hmmm... you may be right, I am not sure if there is a name, it would be an interesting search, however, do you believe these people that "slew thy prophets" to be practicing Jews?

is there any indication, through Rambam or Rashi (or others) that the Mashiach will be learned or unlettered?


It says in the Tanakh that the Moshiach will have wisdom and understanding as well as a fear of Hashem:
And the spirit of the L-rd shall rest upon him, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of counsel and heroism, a spirit of knowledge and fear of the L-rd.
(Yeshayahu 11:2)
also, any indication that any of the Torah GIANTS were familiar with the Qur'an? i'm thinking that those in Spain may have been...

Are refering to the passage of the Rambam I quoted earlier? Well either way I would have to say:

Possibly, although the wisest of our sages always said to never debate a Christian or Muslim because if you win they will kill you, and if you lose then you were never learned enough to debate in the first place.

ps: adding to rav's rep!

Thanks but not nessesary if you don't wish to. :-[ :statisfie
 
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Salaam/peace;



which Prophet (p) was in charge of Mother Mary (p) ? Is he recognized by Jews ? Sorry , i don't remember his name right now ......John (p) the baptist ???? Was he killed by Jews ?

According to the Canonical Gospels, John the Baptist's public ministry was suddenly brought to a close, probably about six months after he had baptized Jesus. According to these Gospel narratives, Herod Antipas jailed him, with the Gospel of Luke arguing that Herod was punishing John for condemning Herod's marriage to Herodias, the former wife of Herod Philip, Herod's own brother (Luke 3:19). Some academics have argued that John was imprisoned in the Machaerus fortress on the southern extremity of Peraea, nine miles east of the Dead Sea. {Josephus Jewish Antiquities XVIII:5:1–2}

The narrative states that although Herod himself respected John's authority and the clout of his following, to the extent that he would do John no further harm, Herod's bloodthirsty wife had other ideas, and persuaded her daughter, Salome, to trick Herod. At a party for Herod, Salome dances so beautifully that, according to the Canonical Gospels, Herod foolishly offers her anything she requests, so she asks for John's head on a silver platter, and so John is beheaded. Josephus states that Herod deliberately killed John to quell a possible uprising in around 36.

Herod Antipas was the son of was a Roman client-king of Judaea, "Herod the Great".
 
No. I am saying that only the 100% righteous are worthy of heaven. As none of us are 100% righteous on our own, we all fall short of being worthy of heaven. This does not mean that G-d does not find worth in us. Indeed, the crux of Christianity is that while we are not worthy in our own righteousness, that G-d still declares us to be worth the sacrifice G-d makes to redeem us, simply because G-d loves us.

Alright.

BTW, Christians do not believe that everyone has sins to start. We believe everyone has a Sin nature to start.

Is their a verse of chapter which elaborates on this in the gospel?

You might not see a difference in those two statements, but to me the distinction is as essential as the view you expressed above that while I did not see myself as denigrating the Torah to someone approaching it from your persepctive it might still be seen that way.

Alright, I would like to see how it is exactly explained in the gospel or new testament however. Thank you in advance.

You know many Christians who have this view that it is a religion with three gods?

I do not know many Christians in general, but I will say regardless of their "belief" it can be said differently.


I did not come here to attack your religion, and I do not feel that it is nessesary or even worth while to. The only reason I study Christianity is in reality so I can work as an Anti-Missionary in my community which sees many misionaries try to come and convert Jews.
You shall not desire him, and you shall not hearken to him; neither shall you pity him, have mercy upon him, nor shield him.
(Devarim 13:9)
Anyway, I am getting off topic. Christians may very well believe they are worshiping the one true G-d, with no others, but belief does not mean fact. Terrorists hold the belief that killing is good, (sorry for the terrible comparison, but it came to mind.) The fact is no matter what Christianity believes they worship is irrelevant because they believe jesus, a man, a human to be a god. I'm sorry, if you see it differently, but I cannot comprehend with the brain G-d gave me, how I can view Christianity as a monotheistic religion, when you worship a man, no matter what you believe him to be.

Or you know many people who view Christianity as a religion of three gods? I am sure the latter is true.

You make a valid point.

But the former, I would be shocked to meet even one Christian who believed in more than one G-d. In fact, they could hardly be a Christian confessing the historic creeds of the church and make such a statement. It is tantamount to heresy within historic Christendom.


It is viewed however, as heresy to worship what we believe a man within Judaism:
"Hear, O Israel, the L-RD is our G-d, the L-RD is one."
(Devarim 6:4)
This is the pledge Jews say twice a day everyday. "Shema yisroel, HASHEM, el-henu, HASHEM, ekhad! Can you see why Judaism who claims how the L-rd is one everyday, twice a day would find serious objections to the trinity, no matter what the belief of the average Christian is?


It is also predicted that this will happen during the time of the Moshiach:
And the L-rd shall become King over all the earth; on that day shall the L-rd be one, and His name one.
(Zechariah 14:9)
Rashi's commentary:
shall the L-rd be one For all the nations shall abandon their vanities and acknowledge Him, that He is one, and [that] no strange deity is with Him.

This basically explains that when the Moshiach comes, everyone will believe in the oneness of G-d. This prediction shows that before the time of the Moshiach people will not believe that the G-d is one and then they will when the Moshiach comes.
 
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First Muslim Woman, please fit all your questions into one post next time:


What you are hearing is from Christians who believe that the only way their savoir Jesus will return is when the Holy Land is a Jewish country, ect. Ironically, these groups are very set on converting Jews and they by some reports put billions of dollars into converting my bretherin/fellow Jews. Since I believe a Jewish soul to be more important than the Jewish body, I believe anyone trying to destroy a Jewish soul by converting it is worse than a hateful, mind slave Muslim who wishes to tear apart a Jewish body by suicide bombing.

Therefore, most Jews are very on gaurd when listening to their support but knowing they will try and convert us.

YusufNoor, you wrote:


Hmmm... you may be right, I am not sure if there is a name, it would be an interesting search, however, do you believe these people that "slew thy prophets" to be practicing Jews?




It says in the Tanakh that the Moshiach will have wisdom and understanding as well as a fear of Hashem:
And the spirit of the L-rd shall rest upon him, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of counsel and heroism, a spirit of knowledge and fear of the L-rd.
(Yeshayahu 11:2)


Are refering to the passage of the Rambam I quoted earlier? Well either way I would have to say:

Possibly, although the wisest of our sages always said to never debate a Christian or Muslim because if you win they will kill you, and if you lose then you were never learned enough to debate in the first place.



Thanks but not nessesary if you don't wish to. :-[ :statisfie

:sl:

Shalom,

i have in the back of my mind somewhere that RASHI,iirc, won a bigtime debate held by the King of Spain. might need to check my facts though...

a thread on some Muslim debators recently, made think of that. kinda thought Rashi could mop the floor with them. intent, would have been his strongest ally. i don't think most folks realize the depth of knowledge of some of the R 's.

i made the reference about the Prophets, well, cuz it's there! but, also cuz, i was reading up about the way Judah (as a nation) seems to have had a tendancy to reject Hashem G-d. not badmouthin Jews, mind you. just meditatiing on what to me, was very, very sad...:cry:
alot of Christians and Muslims tend to think that they are better than Jews cuz of this. to me, i see the EXACT same thing happening with them...:cry: :cry: :cry:


Peace,

:w:

Yusuf
 
Is their a verse of chapter which elaborates on this [the idea of a Sin nature] in the gospel?

Alright, I would like to see how it is exactly explained in the gospel or new testament however. Thank you in advance.
No, not really spelled out in the gospel. This idea is elucidated more in the writings of Paul. Do you want it in brief or a theological treatise?





I did not come here to attack your religion, and I do not feel that it is nessesary or even worth while to. The only reason I study Christianity is in reality so I can work as an Anti-Missionary in my community which sees many misionaries try to come and convert Jews.
Fair enough. And for the record, I don't feel under attack. I didn't come here to attack any one else's religion either. But sometimes, when people make mis-statements (albiet I am sure unintentional) or they give their own non-Christians view on the beliefs of Christianity, I feel a need to at least clarify from a Christian point of view.

I am not antagonistic toward Judaism. It appears that some of the "missionaries" you have contact with, while supporting the nation of Israel on one hand, are truly antagonistic toward the Jewish faith on the other. That is their conundrum to live with, not mine.



[/INDENT]Anyway, I am getting off topic. Christians may very well believe they are worshiping the one true G-d, with no others, but belief does not mean fact. Terrorists hold the belief that killing is good, (sorry for the terrible comparison, but it came to mind.) The fact is no matter what Christianity believes they worship is irrelevant because they believe jesus, a man, a human to be a god. I'm sorry, if you see it differently, but I cannot comprehend with the brain G-d gave me, how I can view Christianity as a monotheistic religion, when you worship a man, no matter what you believe him to be.
Thanks for recognizing the horror of that comparison, but I take no offense, as I understand your point that sincere belief may still be sincerely wrong. And of course that is true.



It is viewed however, as heresy to worship what we believe a man within Judaism:
"Hear, O Israel, the L-RD is our G-d, the L-RD is one."
(Devarim 6:4)
This is the pledge Jews say twice a day everyday. "Shema yisroel, HASHEM, el-henu, HASHEM, ekhad! Can you see why Judaism who claims how the L-rd is one everyday, twice a day would find serious objections to the trinity, no matter what the belief of the average Christian is?
Of course Christianity appears as heresy to many Jews. (You, I expect, would say to all who are truly Jewish in their beliefs.) Even in the Christian accounts of the early church we see this. Why do you think that Paul was seeking to have Christians arrested?

If I had been a Jew of that era, I truly don't know how I would have reacted, probably as you do today -- I can be pretty stubborn when it comes to maintaining my ideas regarding G-d. And shouldn't we all be. What type of faith does one have if blown by every wind of doctrine that passes one's way. (And now I am getting off topic.)

I imagine that this is one thing we will have to simply recognize that we will continue to disagree about. I believe that the first Christians, all Jews, where just as monotheistic in their doctrine as you are. However, they had an experience which was bigger than their doctrine. Yes, the L-rd G-d is one. And yet they had had an encounter with the eternal G-d, creator and maker of the universe, the great I AM who spoke with Moses, had walked and lived among them. That was their experience, and yet they knew it violated everything they had been taught to believe about the nature and character of G-d. What to do when the faith one is instructed in and one's experience of G-d do not match? That must have been a terrible crisis for these men. I think without the witness of Jesus' resurrection and the indwelling of G-d's Sp-r-t, that they would not have responded as they did.





It is also predicted that this will happen during the time of the Moshiach:
And the L-rd shall become King over all the earth; on that day shall the L-rd be one, and His name one.
(Zechariah 14:9)
Rashi's commentary:
shall the L-rd be one For all the nations shall abandon their vanities and acknowledge Him, that He is one, and [that] no strange deity is with Him.

This basically explains that when the Moshiach comes, everyone will believe in the oneness of G-d. This prediction shows that before the time of the Moshiach people will not believe that the G-d is one and then they will when the Moshiach comes.

No argument from me on this passage or the interpretation you have provided. Does that surprise you?
 
Salaam/peace;



which Prophet (p) was in charge of Mother Mary (p) ? Is he recognized by Jews ? Sorry , i don't remember his name right now ......John (p) the baptist ???? Was he killed by Jews ?

Muslim Woman, it seems that many of your questions about Judaism are really about things found in the Christian scriptures and Judaism's response or interpretation of them. But they also assume as fact, many things that neither Judaism nor Christianity have any knowledge about.

For instance, this question about which prophet was in charge of Mother Mary. Assuming you are referring to Mary the mother of Jesus, in the Christian scriptures, there is no prophet who is placed in charge of her. The Jewish scriptures would not mention either her nor Jesus at all. So, then one is dependent on historical accounts, legends and other sorts of writings, some of which may contain more fanciful accounts and should not be relied on as authoritative in the same way that scripture is.

John the Baptist is considered by Christians to have been a prophet. I doubt if he is by Jews. He was not put in charge of Mary. According to the Christian scriptures he was a cousin and forerunner of Jesus, announcing Jesus to the people as the expected Messiah. (My guess is that Jews would say this itself would be proof that John the Baptist was not a real prophet.)

There are several other Johns mentioned in the Christian scriptures and sometimes people get them confused. I am wondering if perhaps you might have done this? One of Jesus' disciples was also named John. This disciple was not the same John who was known as the Baptist. (John the Baptist got this nickname from his custom of baptizing people for repentence.) John the disicple was present standing with Jesus' mother, Mary, when Jesus was being executed on the cross. Here is that story -- now Muslims do not believe that it was Jesus on the cross, so I don't know why they would care about this story. -- John the disciple is believed to be the one identified in the story as "the disciple whom he [Jesus] loved":

25Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son," 27and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. (The Gospel of John 19:25-27)
While some of Jesus' disicples are understood to have had the gift of prophecy, they are not generally considered prophets when listing the prophets. I hope this helps you.
 
Grace Seeker:
No, not really spelled out in the gospel. This idea is elucidated more in the writings of Paul. Do you want it in brief or a theological treatise?

Brief please.

Fair enough. And for the record, I don't feel under attack. I didn't come here to attack any one else's religion either. But sometimes, when people make mis-statements (albiet I am sure unintentional) or they give their own non-Christians view on the beliefs of Christianity, I feel a need to at least clarify from a Christian point of view.

I am not antagonistic toward Judaism. It appears that some of the "missionaries" you have contact with, while supporting the nation of Israel on one hand, are truly antagonistic toward the Jewish faith on the other. That is their conundrum to live with, not mine.

Fair enough.

Of course Christianity appears as heresy to many Jews. (You, I expect, would say to all who are truly Jewish in their beliefs.) Even in the Christian accounts of the early church we see this. Why do you think that Paul was seeking to have Christians arrested?

If I had been a Jew of that era, I truly don't know how I would have reacted, probably as you do today -- I can be pretty stubborn when it comes to maintaining my ideas regarding G-d. And shouldn't we all be. What type of faith does one have if blown by every wind of doctrine that passes one's way. (And now I am getting off topic.)

I imagine that this is one thing we will have to simply recognize that we will continue to disagree about. I believe that the first Christians, all Jews, where just as monotheistic in their doctrine as you are. However, they had an experience which was bigger than their doctrine. Yes, the L-rd G-d is one. And yet they had had an encounter with the eternal G-d, creator and maker of the universe, the great I AM who spoke with Moses, had walked and lived among them. That was their experience, and yet they knew it violated everything they had been taught to believe about the nature and character of G-d. What to do when the faith one is instructed in and one's experience of G-d do not match? That must have been a terrible crisis for these men. I think without the witness of Jesus' resurrection and the indwelling of G-d's Sp-r-t, that they would not have responded as they did.

Your point of view of course, but the fact of the matter is that the Moshiach according to Jewish scripture will not be G-d, will not die before accomplishing his mission, and will also not be believed because of "powers" or "magic" because many have accomplished these things and they were not prophets of G-d either. The Moshiach will be recognized by his fufillment of the requirements needed to be Moshiach, not by healing powers, or anything of that nature.

What your speaking about is far away from Jewish thought, which is the whole point of the post. Christianity is indeed no continuation of Judaism as many would suggest, it is very foreign to Judaism despite the fact that it holds some Jewish scripture in high regards.

No argument from me on this passage or the interpretation you have provided. Does that surprise you?

No it does not, should I explain why?

Muslim Woman, it seems that many of your questions about Judaism are really about things found in the Christian scriptures and Judaism's response or interpretation of them. But they also assume as fact, many things that neither Judaism nor Christianity have any knowledge about.

For instance, this question about which prophet was in charge of Mother Mary. Assuming you are referring to Mary the mother of Jesus, in the Christian scriptures, there is no prophet who is placed in charge of her. The Jewish scriptures would not mention either her nor Jesus at all. So, then one is dependent on historical accounts, legends and other sorts of writings, some of which may contain more fanciful accounts and should not be relied on as authoritative in the same way that scripture is.

Correct.

John the Baptist is considered by Christians to have been a prophet. I doubt if he is by Jews. He was not put in charge of Mary. According to the Christian scriptures he was a cousin and forerunner of Jesus, announcing Jesus to the people as the expected Messiah. (My guess is that Jews would say this itself would be proof that John the Baptist was not a real prophet.)

Correct again. He is not a prophet according to Judaism.
 
salamz
what is hanika?

Chanukah (pronounced KHAH-noo-kah) means "dedication." It is an eight-day holiday commemorating the rededication of the Second Temple after a period of enemy occupation.

And now for an abridged version of the story: It is 223 BCE and the Greek Seleucid Dynasty rules parts of the Middle East, including ancient Israel. King Antiochus III is good for the Jews except for his huge taxes and cultivation of Hellenist culture. He dies. Son Seleucus IV takes over, increases taxation. Hellenistic cultural invasion of Jewish society reaches epidemic proportions--monotheistic Judaism out, humanistic Hellenism in.

Seleucus gets iced in 174 BCE, brother Antiochus IV takes throne, forcefully attempts to rub out Judaism--forbids Shabbat, Kashrut, circumcision et al on pain of death. Mass persecution/execution of Jews begins around 170 BCE.
140 BCE sees riot erupt in quaint little village Modi'in: local Jews led by elder Mattityahu and sons defend daughter/sister from pre-marriage initiation, kill Antiochus' soldiers, head for the hills. News spreads, Jewish rebel army quickly forms across country and wages increasingly successful guerilla warfare for a year.

On or around December 14, 140 BCE (the 25th of Kislev, 3622) Jewish army restores regular Temple operations with limited resources, light makeshift Menorah with one-day supply of olive oil, and Siegfried-and-Roy! Oil burns for eight days until fresh fuel arrives, and the shine of spirituality melts the senselessness of secularism, then and for all time.

In 139 BCE, the Rabbis designate those eight days as an annual holiday celebrating the chanukah, or dedication, of the Temple and the miracle of the menorah.
 
Your point of view of course,
Of course.

but the fact of the matter is that the Moshiach according to Jewish scripture will not be G-d, will not die before accomplishing his mission, and will also not be believed because of "powers" or "magic" because many have accomplished these things and they were not prophets of G-d either. The Moshiach will be recognized by his fufillment of the requirements needed to be Moshiach, not by healing powers, or anything of that nature.

What your speaking about is far away from Jewish thought, which is the whole point of the post. Christianity is indeed no continuation of Judaism as many would suggest, it is very foreign to Judaism despite the fact that it holds some Jewish scripture in high regards.
I am willing to accept that this is the prevailing view within Judaism today. The prevailing view within in Christianity is off course slightly different. The problem is that I don't think that either of us can get back to what was the prevailing view among the contemporaries of Jesus. We can at best get back to writings which we interpret in light of our present realities.

As I do this, I see that more than one view was prevelant. There were those who had an expectation of an immemient Messiah. Some saw Jesus as this person. Some were attracted to other figures who have disappeared from history, forgotten. Some had the expectation, yet no one fulfilled it. And others did not have any expectations at all. And these are just a few of the many ways of viewing the world present during the Greek and Roman occupations of Judea, Samaria, and Galilee. The Jewish faith has also been monothesistic, but it hasn't always been monolythic in either practice or expectations. That is why Christianity was able to get such a good start within Judaism. I think a different type of Judaism was practiced then than today. But with Paul's reaching out to Gentile prosleytes and then another diaspora with the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, it became separated from its roots. So, I can respect that Christianity is not seen as a continuation of Judaism, but clearly its roots are in that context.


No argument from me on this passage or the interpretation you have provided. Does that surprise you?

No it does not, should I explain why?

Sure. You have me curious.
 
but it hasn't always been monolythic in either practice or expectations. That is why Christianity was able to get such a good start within Judaism. I think a different type of Judaism was practiced then than today.

How so? I don't believe there was anyother type of Judaism ever practiced. What you may be refering to is throughout history some Jews have decided to not practice Judaism the way the Torah teaches, but that does not mean the religion changed at all, or was any different. It just means during that period of history people were neglecting the law.

but clearly its roots are in that context.

Its roots certainly come from Jews, but not from Judaism, that is the point I am trying to make.

Sure. You have me curious.

Simple. You sincerely believe with all of your heart that the trinity represents the one true G-d, and that belief in Jesus as a god is not in anyway, idolatry although I would disagree. Therefore, I would have to point you towards my post on the difference between the belief and the practice, and say "agree to disagree".
 
How so? I don't believe there was anyother type of Judaism ever practiced. What you may be refering to is throughout history some Jews have decided to not practice Judaism the way the Torah teaches, but that does not mean the religion changed at all, or was any different. It just means during that period of history people were neglecting the law.
I was thinking of the differences between rabbinic Judaism verses that of the Sadduces and Essenses. Each would have claimed to be true representatives of the Jewish faith, but they had major disagreements in interpretation as to what that meant with one another. Even there understanding of what was and what was not sacred scripture varied. Rabbinic Judaism accepting the teachings of the prophets, but the Sadduces rejecting everything accept the works of Moses.

Though you may blanch at the thought, Christianity appears to be a descendant of Rabbinic Judaism as it expressed itself in the last couple of centuries BCE. I said, descendant, not continuation. Christianity does make a radical departure from Judaism as it elevates faith above law and accepted the concept that a human being can be a manifestation of the one true G-d without that being either idolatry or contrary to the long-standing practice and belief of monothesim.



Its roots certainly come from Jews, but not from Judaism, that is the point I am trying to make.
yes, but your distinction is a point with which I respectfully disagree



Simple. You sincerely believe with all of your heart that the trinity represents the one true G-d, and that belief in Jesus as a god is not in anyway, idolatry although I would disagree. Therefore, I would have to point you towards my post on the difference between the belief and the practice, and say "agree to disagree".
The reason that I can agree with it, is in part that. But also, that given that, I can then see a second-coming of Jesus as the Messiah (I know something else where we disagree as even being relevant to the issue at hand) and that just as prophesied and interpreted that all would then acknowledge this Jesus as the one G-d.

Everyone on this board, other than the few Christians here, must shudder at the thought.




Rav, earlier you spoke of the writings of rabbis such as Rambam and Maimonides, and another poster spoke of Rashi. I have heard of Maimonides, but know little of him, and have never heard of these others. Can you please fill me in on them and their major contributions to Jewish thought today. Can you share links to material that will help to educate me more?
 
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Rav, earlier you spoke of the writings of rabbis such as Rambam and Maimonides, and another poster spoke of Rashi. I have heard of Maimonides, but know little of him, and have never heard of these others. Can you please fill me in on them and the major contributions to Jewish thought today. Can you share links to material that will help to education me more?

Aren't Rambam and Maiomonides one and the same person?
 
I was thinking of the differences between rabbinic Judaism verses that of the Sadduces and Essenses. Each would have claimed to be true representatives of the Jewish faith, but they had major disagreements in interpretation as to what that meant with one another. Even there understanding of what was and what was not sacred scripture varied. Rabbinic Judaism accepting the teachings of the prophets, but the Sadduces rejecting everything accept the works of Moses.

The Sadduces said that no such thing as the ressurection of the dead would occur, and did not accept the oral law. The Talmud explains that those who say the ressurection of the dead will not occur among Am Yisroel, will not get a share in the world to come:
The Mishna states: "The following have no share in the world to come: He who says that there is no allusion in the Torah concerning resurrection, and he who says that the Torah was not given by Heaven."
The Sadduces said the ressurection of the dead would not occur, and it is not present in the Torah, therefore, according to the Talmud, they have no share in the world to come. Why might you ask? The Gemora explains:
GEMARA: "Is he who does not believe that the resurrection is hinted at in the Torah such a criminal that he loses his share in the world to come? It was taught: He denies resurrection therefore he will not have a share in it, as punishment corresponds to the deed;"
It is also taught that the reason you do not see anymore of these other sects who deny the oral law other than a very few who do not number very many is because they were incorrect. They did not survive because they were basically wrong. That is why they died out.

Though you may blanch at the thought, Christianity appears to be a descendant of Rabbinic Judaism as it expressed itself in the last couple of centuries BCE. I said, descendant, not continuation. Christianity does make a radical departure from Judaism as it elevates faith above law and accepted the concept that a human being can be a manifestation of the one true G-d without that being either idolatry or contrary to the long-standing practice and belief of monothesim.

I do, in a way. And strongly disagree. Unless, I am mistaken, I believe early Christians followed about none of Halacha.

The reason that I can agree with it, is in part that. But also, that given that, I can then see a second-coming of Jesus as the Messiah (I know something else where we disagree as even being relevant to the issue at hand) and that just as prophesied and interpreted that all would then acknowledge this Jesus as the one G-d.

Everyone on this board, other than the few Christians here, must shudder at the thought.

May I ask you, where exactly there is mention or any type of hint at a "second coming"? It is clearly outlined what requirements are and there is no place in the Tanakh that speaks about a secong coming, at all. The second coming was developed because Jesus did not fufill the requirements to be Moshiach.

I am welcome to discuss any passage in the Tanakh which you feel hints at any type of "second coming".

Rav, earlier you spoke of the writings of rabbis such as Rambam and Maimonides, and another poster spoke of Rashi. I have heard of Maimonides, but know little of him, and have never heard of these others. Can you please fill me in on them and their major contributions to Jewish thought today. Can you share links to material that will help to education me more?

Rambam and Maimonides are the same person. His name was Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon (RaMBaM) Acronyms were commonly given to scholors (for example Rashi = Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaqi). It may seem odd, but when looking at his name sounded out by the Hebrew alphabet it all makes sense.

These websites have pretty good descriptions of him and his life:

http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/rabbis/rambam.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Maimonides.html
http://www.campsci.com/iguide/rambam.htm

Here is a summary:
If one did not know that Maimonides was the name of a man, Abraham Joshua Heschel wrote, one would assume it was the name of a university. The writings and achievements of this twelfth­century Jewish sage seem to cover an impossibly large number of activities. Maimonides was the first person to write a systematic code of all Jewish law, the Mishneh Torah; he produced one of the great philosophic statements of Judaism, The Guide to the Perplexed; published a commentary on the entire Mishna; served as physician to the sultan of Egypt; wrote numerous books on medicine; and, in his "spare time," served as leader of Cairo's Jewish community.

Maimonides's full name was Moses ben Maimon; in Hebrew he is known by the acronym of Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, Rambam. He was born in Spain shortly before the fanatical Muslim Almohades came to power there. To avoid persecution by the Muslim sect — which was wont to offer Jews and Christians the choice of conversion to Islam or death — Maimonides fled with his family, first to Morocco, later to Israel, and finally to Egypt. He apparently hoped to continue his studies for several years more, but when his brother David, a jewelry merchant, perished in the Indian Ocean with much of the family's fortune, he had to begin earning money. He probably started practicing medicine at this time.

Maimonides's major contribution to Jewish life remains the Mishneh Torah, his code of Jewish law. His intention was to compose a book that would guide Jews on how to behave in all situations just by reading the Torah and his code, without having to expend large amounts of time searching through the Talmud. Needless to say, this provocative rationale did not endear Maimonides to many traditional Jews, who feared that people would rely on his code and no longer study the Talmud. Despite sometimes intense opposition, the Mishneh Torah became a standard guide to Jewish practice: It later served as the model for the Shulkhan Arukh, the sixteenth­century code of Jewish law that is still regarded as authoritative by Orthodox Jews.
 
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PHP:
First Muslim Woman, please fit all your questions into one post next time:



ooooppppsss, :-[ sorry all questions don't come in to mind at a time.......what can i do ? :cry:


2 questions are now in mind........may i ask or should i wait & see if others are on the way ????
 
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PHP:
Muslim Woman, it seems that many of your questions about Judaism are really about things found in the Christian scriptures and Judaism's response or interpretation of them. But they also assume as fact, many things that neither Judaism nor Christianity have any knowledge about.

--ok , i m asking differently to make it more clearer ( hopefully ). Jews believed Mother Mary (p) was not a virgin. So, regarding Jewish tradition of that time , she & the guilty person were supposed to get some punishment.

I read somewhere that { most probably the Prophet (p) was Zakaria (p) } was killed because of this incident. In Jewish scripture , is there any mention of any punishment of that specific incident ?
 
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PHP:
First Muslim Woman, please fit all your questions into one post next time:



ooooppppsss, :-[ sorry all questions don't come in to mind at a time.......what can i do ? :cry:


2 questions are now in mind........may i ask or should i wait & see if others are on the way ????


You can edit them into your first post by uisng the "edit" button below your post.'

--ok , i m asking differently to make it more clearer ( hopefully ). Jews believed Mother Mary (p) was not a virgin. So, regarding Jewish tradition of that time , she & the guilty person were supposed to get some punishment.

I don't think their is a punishment in Jewish law for being a liar.

read somewhere that { most probably the Prophet (p) was Zakaria (p) } was killed because of this incident. In Jewish scripture , is there any mention of any punishment of that specific incident ?

He dies because of radicals who do not wish to follow G-d's law.
 
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