African Converts

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Yes, in the deserts of Africa the negative media coverage of Muslims must be the cause of millions of conversions away from your religion. I mean since in Africa the media bias is so bad against Muslims, one can only imagine how many British Muslims are converting away because the even more bias coverage!

Or would you like to rethink your logic? :rollseyes


------ give me a list of prominent Muslim scholars/Imams who left Islam , then may be i will rethink my logic. :D

Those who left Islam were not scholars ...either poor/needy persons or ignorant about religion. How many Muslim & non- Muslims know that Christian & Jewish holy books tell them to destroy a whole city with babies , catttes etc because parent are guilty of idol worshippers ?

Nobody ever heard/read anything about these in media or from any person. They are totally ignorant about these but they hear/ read about the criticism about Quran for war verses. Also , normally if become Christians , it's easy to get UK , US visa , get a good job in NGO's etc.
 
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Salaam/peace;

rav: (Warning: before any Muslim begins slandering Christian Missionaries, I would sugest they look up how many Muslims use food, and other resources to gain converts in Africa as well...)

----huh , Muslims are really that conscious to spread Islam among non-Muslims ?? I doubt ......i read in many revert stories how our new Muslim bro & sisters struggle when not a single Islamic org helped them financially .


Let me share u some real stories how many learned Jews & Christians embraced Islam in Africa , USA , UK & elsewhere.

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And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow

[Qur’an 2:25]


Who says there is never any good news ?




Islam Attracting Many Survivors of Rwanda Genocide


The Washington Post Company

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html

Jihad is Taught as 'Struggle to Heal'



It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates.



"We have our own jihad, and that is our war against ignorance between Hutu and Tutsi. It is our struggle to heal," said Saleh Habimana, the head mufti of Rwanda. "Our jihad is to start respecting each other and living as Rwandans and as Muslims."

Since the genocide, Rwandans have converted to Islam in huge numbers. Muslims now make up 14 percent of the 8.2 million people here in Africa's most Catholic nation, twice as many as before the killings began.


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http://thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/index.php?category=4

Islam Attracts Converts by the Thousands, Drawn Before and After Attacks


By Jodi Wilgoren, The New York Times, October 22


A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the US following September 11

.. I read Koran verses translated into English... These were moments that I will never forget, because the entire church burst into tears upon hearing the passages of the words of Allah!!"
"Emotion swept over us. One said to me: 'I do not understand the Arabic language, but there is no doubt that the things you said are the words of Allah.'



Heather Ramaha, a Navy petty officer, is among those in Hawai'i who have converted to Islam since Sept. 11.

http://drupalmalaysia.org/Islam/Revert_to_Islam_embrace_religion_Truth

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower
 
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And????? Your point is what....?

A Jew converted to Islam, wow. I must have seen this guys picture everywhere. It is about the only Orthodox Jew to ever convert to Islam!!!

On the other hand... there are 5 Muslim converts to Judaism at a Shul I use to go to. But this isn't a competition is it?
 
Yea i heard about that...neways not the thread for it :X
lol there r no Muslim missionaries...and no we dont start off by saying accept Islam or ull go to hell....lol. well at least not the sane and truthful ones :D

A question came to me as I read this thread. Tayyaba, you kept emphasizing the point that christian missionaries use the vulnerable state of people as a time to spread their faith.
The question is, is this any worse than forcing people into a faith?
 
Yes, although its indirect. The worse thing about it is that ur decieving people. I dont mean as in the faith itself is, but how people go about it. Im not saying all of em do that cuz i cant generalize. We had some come by about a year back. Me and my bro were at class, little bro was in school. Mom went to do some groceries. My dad was home sleeping cuz he had to go to work soon. They rang the doorbell and my dad answered. He spoke with them for about a few minutes and then he fainted and fell face flat to the floor. Next thing he knew, the guy was waking up him asking what happened. He was bleedin all over his face and had some dirt in his mouth. He went upstairs sitting in shock tilll my mom came home. But I thought this was funny afterwards cuz the same people who used to come never came back again LOL. i guess they got scared ;D
 
Yes, although its indirect. The worse thing about it is that ur decieving people. I dont mean as in the faith itself is, but how people go about it.

Did the visitors introduce themselves as vacuum cleaner sales people, and then he got sucked into listening to the Gospel? What did they do that was deceptive?
 
It's Because those Christians torture them, and force, I know ask my Uncle who is still Muslim from there tortures, he has marks everywhere and you'll cry if you here his story, The took my village my storm, i hate them which is a very strong word
 
It's Because those Christians torture them, and force, I know ask my Uncle who is still Muslim from there tortures, he has marks everywhere and you'll cry if you here his story, The took my village my storm, i hate them which is a very strong word

Did you get an opportunity to question the perpitrators on their faith?
 
It's Because those Christians torture them, and force, I know ask my Uncle who is still Muslim from there tortures, he has marks everywhere and you'll cry if you here his story, The took my village my storm, i hate them which is a very strong word

What are you talking about? You are saying that christians torture muslims to convert?
What a rediculous claim if you are really saying this. I apologize if you are not.
 
It's Because those Christians torture them, and force, I know ask my Uncle who is still Muslim from there tortures, he has marks everywhere and you'll cry if you here his story, The took my village my storm, i hate them which is a very strong word

What? So your generalizing an entire religion, and claiming Christians tortured your uncle to convert? :exhausted

Shall we name it Christiaphobia?
 
There is no such thing as a Christian convert that didn't choose for themselves. A forced confession of Christ is not a conversion.

Yes, but that is not to say it does not occur. Same with the muslims. It seems more to do with numbers than quality.
 
Yes, but that is not to say it does not occur. Same with the muslims. It seems more to do with numbers than quality.

There does seem to be a focus on quantity.

There are three situations in religion that bother me.

The first is using an unfortunate situation to push someone into a faith.

The second is outright forcing someone into a faith.

The third is forcing someone to stay in a faith.

All three of these help quantity, but do nothing for quality.
 
What are you talking about? You are saying that christians torture muslims to convert?
What a rediculous claim if you are really saying this. I apologize if you are not.

What? So your generalizing an entire religion, and claiming Christians tortured your uncle to convert? :exhausted

Shall we name it Christiaphobia?

How cruel of you two! The guy is telling you that would cry if you heard his uncles story, and you accuse him of making a ridiculous claim or being a chrsitiaphobic?

You haven't even heard the story, give him a chance to explain himself, and he did not say ALL Christians, he said those Christians.

Note the emphasis:

It's Because those Christians torture them, and force, I know ask my Uncle who is still Muslim from there tortures, he has marks everywhere and you'll cry if you here his story, The took my village my storm, i hate them which is a very strong word

Honestly that was so unasked for.
 
So it is better to be forced. Ok. Thanks.

dude i never said that. and dont say u didnt put words in my mouth cuz u just did. I said they're both just as bad. dont take ur ignorance for knowledge, cuz u obviously didnt understand me.


honestly, some of u dont know how to read!! I said there both just as bad. im not justifying either of them. <----- now make sure u can read this. let me know when u do, so i can give u a cookie! :exhausted
 
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What? So your generalizing an entire religion, and claiming Christians tortured your uncle to convert? :exhausted

Shall we name it Christiaphobia?

he didnt generalize. dont quickly build up thoughts as ur reading. read carefully first.
 
I must admit that I haven't read the whole thread all the way through, but I distinctly dislike any discussions about 'my religion is bigger than yours!' or 'we have more converts than you!'.
What's the point??? Does it mean anything???

What matters is how we conduct ourselves, how we live our lives and live out our faiths.
What good are 100.000 followers of religion X, if they do not truly follow God?
What good are 100.000 converts to any religion, if it is not the 'right' religion (in God's eyes)?


Inevitably these kind of threads turn into defensive tat-for-tat arguments ... as seems to be the case with this thread.

Perhaps we can all make a real point of demonstrating to each other just how peaceful and forgiving each of our religions are? Here, and now, and in this thread?

Thank you.
And Peace :)
 
What are you talking about? You are saying that christians torture muslims to convert?
What a rediculous claim if you are really saying this. I apologize if you are not.
How cruel of you two! The guy is telling you that would cry if you heard his uncles story, and you accuse him of making a ridiculous claim or being a chrsitiaphobic?

You haven't even heard the story, give him a chance to explain himself, and he did not say ALL Christians, he said those Christians.

Thank you for continuing to stalk me, and scrutinize all my words, with your very helpful and non-judgmental constructive criticisms. I look forward to a 25 post long debate and to defending my use of the words "and" and "the". In another thread later, I will use the words "if" and "when" so we can further debate, and I can again defend the use of these words for yet another 25 posts.
Now, as for this particular crticism.
It's Because those Christians torture them, and force
This thread is about africans converting to christianity. Clearly this member was saying that the christians are actually torturing people to force christianity on them. I have heard many accusations against them, but this is the wildest. It is possible that his uncle was attacked, and I feel terrible for him for that if true. But the attack would most certainly not have been missionaries motivated to force religion upon him. That is rediculous.

He goes on to say that he hates christians. Now, I have a problem with that. Bad things happen to people, and it's sad. But we cannot allow this to be an excuse to spread more hateful words about any group of people.

I realize that it is possible that while I am sure of what was being said, I could have misunderstood. And that is why I said,
I apologize if you are not.
There is nothing wrong with what either Rav or myself have said. The circumstance that his uncle had to endure is no reason to direct hatred at an entire group of people. Think of the 911 terrorist attacks as an example. There were many americans that were truly traumatized by the event. Yet most muslims will (rightfully) say, "it is no reason to direct hatred at all muslims, please do not speak hateful words about muslims in general".
Honestly that was so unasked for.
Much like your constant attention.
 
SilentObserver

Do not flatter yourself into thinking that you are really so important that I have to 'stalk' you. The simply fact that my post was addressed to rav as well is proof enough.
 
dude i never said that. and dont say u didnt put words in my mouth cuz u just did. I said they're both just as bad. dont take ur ignorance for knowledge, cuz u obviously didnt understand me.


honestly, some of u dont know how to read!! I said there both just as bad. im not justifying either of them. <----- now make sure u can read this. let me know when u do, so i can give u a cookie! :exhausted

The question is, is this any worse than forcing people into a faith?

Yes, although its indirect.

So it is better to be forced. Ok. Thanks.

It can't get any more clear than that. You did say that.
and dont say u didnt put words in my mouth cuz u just did.
Sorry, but you said what you said. It was very clear. I am not sure what the big deal is here by the way. So what if you did? It's an opinion, no big deal.
I said they're both just as bad.
No, actually you never did say that. Maybe you were thinking it perhaps.
dont take ur ignorance for knowledge
No need to behave rudely. If I have misunderstood your meaning just correct it with another post. Rudeness only makes people want to be rude in return.
cuz u obviously didnt understand me
So it would seem.
honestly, some of u dont know how to read!! I said there both just as bad
If you could point out where you said this perhaps I'll give it another go at reading again.
now make sure u can read this. let me know when u do, so i can give u a cookie!
You seem to be very agitated by this conversation. Perhaps we should end the discussion before you say anything else that is regrettable.
 
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