Schools 'must teach Britishness'

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Churchill:

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation.

The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
 
England said:
Churchill:

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.

At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation.

The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
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People should learn the history of the country they live in.

They should also learn the history of how their country has affected others, and learn about other countries. A good grasp of history can make a well-rounded individual.
 
Muezzin said:
People should learn the history of the country they live in.

They should also learn the history of how their country has affected others, and learn about other countries. A good grasp of history can make a well-rounded individual.
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isn't that what history lessons are for?
 
Keltoi said:
I assume learning about British history would be a part of this.
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No, that's citizenship, which already teaches these 'Britishness' things, so I don't know what that guy was going on about!

Freedom, Equality and Demoracy are not eclusively British values, and they are not exculsively western values either.
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Fishman said:
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No, that's citizenship, which already teaches these 'Britishness' things, so I don't know what that guy was going on about!

Freedom, Equality and Demoracy are not eclusively British values, and they are not exculsively western values either.
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Perhaps not "exclusively", but as governments in practice the West has had a much longer history with democracy, equality, and freedom than others.
 
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From this thread I've conculded no one actually knows what Britishness is, If I was still at school I'd refuse to attend such a waste of time.
 
FBI said:
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From this thread I've conculded no one actually knows what Britishness is, If I was still at school I'd refuse to attend such a waste of time.
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Britishness is the ability to even come up with the word Britishness.
 
Keltoi said:
As an American there are plenty of reasons for me to "hate" Britain if I was so inclined, but history is history, and now the U.S. and the U.K. are loyal allies. The British did burn down the White House once...:rant: The British Empire made alot of mistakes in its colonialism, but it also brought about alot of progress and positive change. Sometimes it is good to stand back and look at things from a broader perspective.

Of course the history of the British Empire is only one element to being British. The Industrial Revolution had its start in Great Britain. The way the country stood firm in the face of Hitler's war machine. Winston Churchill is one of my favorite leaders in world history. There is much to be proud of in British history, and there are always chapters a nation would like to forget.
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i assume your not referring to old whinstons little idea of dropping gas bombs on the kurds a few decades before saddam even thought up the idea?
 
Dawud_uk said:
i assume your not referring to old whinstons little idea of dropping gas bombs on the kurds a few decades before saddam even thought up the idea?
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I assume you are referring to the memo which ponders the possibility of using gas to stop a rebellion? Not his grandest idea obviously, but it didn't occur.
 
Keltoi said:
I think you're too caught up on the word "Britishness" and not on the point of the educational initiative.
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What educational initiative?
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and what it got to do with a word (i.e.britishness) everyone is perplexed about?
 
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Keltoi said:
To teach more about British history, culture, and the important institutions.
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Well everyone studies british history in school.

Now british culture is a funny term. People practically live in such a country surrounded by "british culture" (lol), if they did not get it they must be blind.
What important institution?
 
Dawud_uk said:
i find it strange that muslims also go along to such lessons, yes it is good to know how people think but surely some of them are secular minded and being influenced by this stuff.
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I took Citizenship at GCSE and think it would be really useful if all schools made it a compulsory subject. Why? Well, at 16 you can learn about the Maths, Sciences, English, Languages, History and all the other subjects and at 16 you can also leave school and face the real world. Many students leave school not even knowing how the political system works and you expect them to vote the next leaders in. Citizenship gives the opportunity for students to learn about the political system and how exactly it works, laws which concern us all and our rights aswell as other major world wide issues and what affects they have on us. It helps student understand what it means to be British and give them a sound footing to go out into the world with.

muslims need to realise that the kuffar are frightened of us and our strength of faith, these lessons and talking of lack of integration is meant for us, it is us they are trying to change and we should not make it easy for them by sending our youth along to political and cultural indoctrination classes.
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The lessons are far from indoctrinating. If they wanted to indoctrinate, the last thing they would do is explain exactly how the country is run and where people stand and the rights they are entitled to.

Muezzin said:
People should learn the history of the country they live in.

They should also learn the history of how their country has affected others, and learn about other countries. A good grasp of history can make a well-rounded individual.
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This "Britishness" thing is a result of British-born Islamic terrorists that have and are attempting to blow up Britain and its innocent civilians. There is no loyalty to this country or pride and that can even spread to the moderate muslims too. If there is no loyalty or pride then these British-born Islamic terrorists will not think twice to blow it up.
 

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